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		<title>By: Guest Blogger: Joe Polchinski on the String Debates &#124; Cosmic Variance</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2006/10/03/the-trouble-with-physics/comment-page-1/#comment-20930</link>
		<dc:creator>Guest Blogger: Joe Polchinski on the String Debates &#124; Cosmic Variance</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Dec 2006 05:32:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] You may have read here and there about the genteel discussions concerning the status of string theory within contemporary theoretical physics. We&#8217;ve discussed it on CV here, here, and even way back here, and Clifford has hosted a multipart discussion at Asymptotia (I, II, III, IV, V, VI). [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] You may have read here and there about the genteel discussions concerning the status of string theory within contemporary theoretical physics. We&#8217;ve discussed it on CV here, here, and even way back here, and Clifford has hosted a multipart discussion at Asymptotia (I, II, III, IV, V, VI). [...]</p>
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		<title>By: the guy by the door &#8230; &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Welcome back, Witten!</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2006/10/03/the-trouble-with-physics/comment-page-1/#comment-20856</link>
		<dc:creator>the guy by the door &#8230; &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Welcome back, Witten!</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Nov 2006 12:35:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Middle-aged Professor Sean, has wriiten the definitive review of &#8220;The Trouble with Physics.&#8221;Â  I&#8217;m not the first to feel that the overall concerns of the book are wothy of attention, but the supporting examples are not the best. Loop Quantum Gravity is probably an especially poor choice. Also, Sean Pf. Diddy Cosmos** points out [though I suspect it was on the grapevine] that just because String Theory is &#8220;background dependent now&#8221; doesn&#8217;t mean it always will be. His recommendation? Worh a read with a critical eye. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Middle-aged Professor Sean, has wriiten the definitive review of &#8220;The Trouble with Physics.&#8221;Â  I&#8217;m not the first to feel that the overall concerns of the book are wothy of attention, but the supporting examples are not the best. Loop Quantum Gravity is probably an especially poor choice. Also, Sean Pf. Diddy Cosmos** points out [though I suspect it was on the grapevine] that just because String Theory is &#8220;background dependent now&#8221; doesn&#8217;t mean it always will be. His recommendation? Worh a read with a critical eye. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: nigel cook</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2006/10/03/the-trouble-with-physics/comment-page-1/#comment-20928</link>
		<dc:creator>nigel cook</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Nov 2006 23:04:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>MoveOn, Dr Woit deletes most comments people make unless they are attacks on him.

LQG is explained in his book &lt;i&gt;Not Even Wrong&lt;/i&gt; where he points out that loops are a perfectly logical and self-consistent duality of the curvature of spacetime: &#039;In loop quantum gravity, the basic idea is to use the standard methods of quantum theory, but to change the choice of fundamental variables that one is working with.  It is well known among mathematicians that an alternative to thinking about geometry in terms of curvature fields at each point in a space is to instead think about the holonomy [whole rule] around loops in the space.&#039;

LQG has the benefits of unifying Standard Model (Yang-Mills) quantum field theory with the verified non-landscape end of general relativity (curvature) without making a host of uncheckable extradimensional speculations.  It is more economical with hype than string theory because the physical basis may be found in the Yang-Mills picture of exchange radiation.  Fermions (non-integer spin particles) in the standard model don&#039;t have intrinsic masses (masses vary with velocity for example), but their masses are due to their association with massive bosons having integer spin.  Exchange of gauge boson radiations between these massive bosons gives the loops of LQG.  If string theorists had any rationality they would take such facts as at least a serious alternative to string!

Dr Woit&#039;s focus isn&#039;t a complaint &lt;i&gt;about the failure of string to accomplish checkable physics&lt;/i&gt; but is a complaint about the &lt;b&gt;continuing hype and the underhanded attacking by string theorists at alternatives in general despite the hypocrisy that this involves!&lt;/b&gt;  He makes it clear that he does not see string theory as wrong, only that &lt;i&gt;so far&lt;/i&gt; it has only produced hype, hype, hype, plus extra loud hype when someone complains about alternatives being unheard.

Of course, he might see things from quite a different perspective if he was censored from posting papers to arXiv.org and so on.  As it is, he can delete my embittered comments about string damaging physics as being mere noise.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>MoveOn, Dr Woit deletes most comments people make unless they are attacks on him.</p>
<p>LQG is explained in his book <i>Not Even Wrong</i> where he points out that loops are a perfectly logical and self-consistent duality of the curvature of spacetime: &#8216;In loop quantum gravity, the basic idea is to use the standard methods of quantum theory, but to change the choice of fundamental variables that one is working with.  It is well known among mathematicians that an alternative to thinking about geometry in terms of curvature fields at each point in a space is to instead think about the holonomy [whole rule] around loops in the space.&#8217;</p>
<p>LQG has the benefits of unifying Standard Model (Yang-Mills) quantum field theory with the verified non-landscape end of general relativity (curvature) without making a host of uncheckable extradimensional speculations.  It is more economical with hype than string theory because the physical basis may be found in the Yang-Mills picture of exchange radiation.  Fermions (non-integer spin particles) in the standard model don&#8217;t have intrinsic masses (masses vary with velocity for example), but their masses are due to their association with massive bosons having integer spin.  Exchange of gauge boson radiations between these massive bosons gives the loops of LQG.  If string theorists had any rationality they would take such facts as at least a serious alternative to string!</p>
<p>Dr Woit&#8217;s focus isn&#8217;t a complaint <i>about the failure of string to accomplish checkable physics</i> but is a complaint about the <b>continuing hype and the underhanded attacking by string theorists at alternatives in general despite the hypocrisy that this involves!</b>  He makes it clear that he does not see string theory as wrong, only that <i>so far</i> it has only produced hype, hype, hype, plus extra loud hype when someone complains about alternatives being unheard.</p>
<p>Of course, he might see things from quite a different perspective if he was censored from posting papers to arXiv.org and so on.  As it is, he can delete my embittered comments about string damaging physics as being mere noise.</p>
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		<title>By: MoveOn</title>
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		<dc:creator>MoveOn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Nov 2006 16:20:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@dumbstringtheoritician:

&quot;I think Peter Woit should start criticizing LQG too, only to be fair to &quot;not even wrong&quot; theories by his standard.&quot;

I guess he won&#039;t. A while ago some of his readers had the brilliant
idea of setting up a FAQ on his site. Great, I thought, let&#039;s start
with proposing some questions, and came up with:
&quot;What is the most overhyped theory of quantum gravity?&quot;

He immediately deleted my post. I guess because he knew the answer ....</description>
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<p>&#8220;I think Peter Woit should start criticizing LQG too, only to be fair to &#8220;not even wrong&#8221; theories by his standard.&#8221;</p>
<p>I guess he won&#8217;t. A while ago some of his readers had the brilliant<br />
idea of setting up a FAQ on his site. Great, I thought, let&#8217;s start<br />
with proposing some questions, and came up with:<br />
&#8220;What is the most overhyped theory of quantum gravity?&#8221;</p>
<p>He immediately deleted my post. I guess because he knew the answer &#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Frank Zimmermann</title>
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		<dc:creator>Frank Zimmermann</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Nov 2006 13:39:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think most of the people commenting here and in fact the reviewer himself missed the point.

The review itself  and some comments also express the craftmens view on this book (there is no argue for string theory _or_ loop).

For my opinion Lees objectives were different ones:

I think he took string theory as a current example for doing science the wrong way.

I agree with him totally that the current physics community is a kind of church and I think too that no relevant theory was born after the 1930ies. Thats a result of the dominating craftsmen in the physics community.

Frank.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think most of the people commenting here and in fact the reviewer himself missed the point.</p>
<p>The review itself  and some comments also express the craftmens view on this book (there is no argue for string theory _or_ loop).</p>
<p>For my opinion Lees objectives were different ones:</p>
<p>I think he took string theory as a current example for doing science the wrong way.</p>
<p>I agree with him totally that the current physics community is a kind of church and I think too that no relevant theory was born after the 1930ies. Thats a result of the dominating craftsmen in the physics community.</p>
<p>Frank.</p>
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		<title>By: local</title>
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		<dc:creator>local</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Oct 2006 18:08:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>what are your five unsolved problems?</description>
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		<title>By: Guest Post: Chanda Prescod-Weinstein &#124; Cosmic Variance</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2006/10/03/the-trouble-with-physics/comment-page-1/#comment-20871</link>
		<dc:creator>Guest Post: Chanda Prescod-Weinstein &#124; Cosmic Variance</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Oct 2006 18:12:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] I first met Chanda (briefly) when she was visiting the University of Chicago as a summer undergraduate research student. Since then we&#8217;ve corresponded occasionally about life as a physicist and which general relativity textbook is the best. She emailed me a thoughtful response to a couple of posts about string theory and the state of physics (here and here), and I thought it would be good to have those thoughts presented as a full-blown guest post rather than just a comment; happily, Chanda agreed. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] I first met Chanda (briefly) when she was visiting the University of Chicago as a summer undergraduate research student. Since then we&#8217;ve corresponded occasionally about life as a physicist and which general relativity textbook is the best. She emailed me a thoughtful response to a couple of posts about string theory and the state of physics (here and here), and I thought it would be good to have those thoughts presented as a full-blown guest post rather than just a comment; happily, Chanda agreed. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Advanced Extraterrestrial Being</title>
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		<dc:creator>Advanced Extraterrestrial Being</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Oct 2006 20:25:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>LOL!!!!

You&#039;ll never believe what the correct theory is!  Unfortunately, I am unable to publish it.</description>
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<p>You&#8217;ll never believe what the correct theory is!  Unfortunately, I am unable to publish it.</p>
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		<title>By: gr.yet.anotherblog.net &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Î¥Ï€ÎµÏ Ï‡Î¿ÏÎ´ÏŽÎ½ ÎºÎ±Î¹ ÎµÏƒÏ„Î¹ÏŽÎ½</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2006/10/03/the-trouble-with-physics/comment-page-1/#comment-20875</link>
		<dc:creator>gr.yet.anotherblog.net &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Î¥Ï€ÎµÏ Ï‡Î¿ÏÎ´ÏŽÎ½ ÎºÎ±Î¹ ÎµÏƒÏ„Î¹ÏŽÎ½</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Oct 2006 09:28:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Î£Ï‡ÎµÏ„Î¹ÎºÎ¬ Î¼Îµ Ï„Î·Î½ Î¶Ï‰Î·ÏÎ® ÏƒÏ...Î¶Î®Ï„Î·ÏƒÎ· Î³ÏÏÏ‰ Î±Ï€ÏŒ Ï„Î¹Ï‚ Ï...Ï€ÎµÏÏ‡Î¿ÏÎ´Î­Ï‚ ÎºÎ±Î¹ Ï„Î¿ landscape, Î´ÎµÎ¯Ï„Îµ Ï„Î·Î½ ÎºÏÎ¹Ï„Î¹ÎºÎ® Ï„Î¿Ï... Sean Caroll Î³Î¹Î± Ï„Î¿ Î²Î¹Î²Î»Î¯Î¿ Ï„Î¿Ï... Leo Smolin (The trouble with physics*) Ï€Î¿Ï... Î´Î·Î¼Î¿ÏƒÎ¹ÎµÏÏ„Î·ÎºÎµ Ï€ÎµÏ„ÏƒÎ¿ÎºÎ¿Î¼Î¼Î­Î½Î· ÏƒÏ„Î¿ New Scientist ÎºÎ±Î¹ Î¿Î»ÏŒÎºÎ»Î·ÏÎ· ÏƒÏ„Î¿ Î¹ÏƒÏ„Î¿Î»ÏŒÎ³Î¹Î¿ Ï„Î¿Ï... Caroll,Â  Ï„Î¿ Cosmic Variance. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Î£Ï‡ÎµÏ„Î¹ÎºÎ¬ Î¼Îµ Ï„Î·Î½ Î¶Ï‰Î·ÏÎ® ÏƒÏ&#8230;Î¶Î®Ï„Î·ÏƒÎ· Î³ÏÏÏ‰ Î±Ï€ÏŒ Ï„Î¹Ï‚ Ï&#8230;Ï€ÎµÏÏ‡Î¿ÏÎ´Î­Ï‚ ÎºÎ±Î¹ Ï„Î¿ landscape, Î´ÎµÎ¯Ï„Îµ Ï„Î·Î½ ÎºÏÎ¹Ï„Î¹ÎºÎ® Ï„Î¿Ï&#8230; Sean Caroll Î³Î¹Î± Ï„Î¿ Î²Î¹Î²Î»Î¯Î¿ Ï„Î¿Ï&#8230; Leo Smolin (The trouble with physics*) Ï€Î¿Ï&#8230; Î´Î·Î¼Î¿ÏƒÎ¹ÎµÏÏ„Î·ÎºÎµ Ï€ÎµÏ„ÏƒÎ¿ÎºÎ¿Î¼Î¼Î­Î½Î· ÏƒÏ„Î¿ New Scientist ÎºÎ±Î¹ Î¿Î»ÏŒÎºÎ»Î·ÏÎ· ÏƒÏ„Î¿ Î¹ÏƒÏ„Î¿Î»ÏŒÎ³Î¹Î¿ Ï„Î¿Ï&#8230; Caroll,Â  Ï„Î¿ Cosmic Variance. [...]</p>
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