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		<title>By: Prof. T. Pesh (Tipesh is Hebrew for stupid)</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2006/10/13/physics-antiques-roadshow/comment-page-1/#comment-21193</link>
		<dc:creator>Prof. T. Pesh (Tipesh is Hebrew for stupid)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Oct 2006 18:44:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just can&#039;t help hearing a Monty Python skit here.

When I was an undergrad, we were so poor, not only did we have broken equipment, not only did the professor beat us to within an inch of our lives if we were more than 1% in systematic error from theory, and we were grateful for it, not only did we have to do write-ups 25 hours a day without pen or paper, as well as attend lectures at the bottom of the nuclear pond from 6am to midnight with no breaks for lunch, it goes without saying naked, but we were also so poor we didn&#039;t even have water, so we had to put out fires by sitting on them.  And there were fires all the time, the nuclear reactor blew up at least twice a week.  When I say half my class didn&#039;t graduate I don&#039;t mean they were too stupid - they simply burned their asses off doing physics.  But we loved it, even dead.  Oh God I miss those days.  The smell of radiation burns in the dorms, which were just shacks built on the river, without roofs or a floor, the camaraderie of all of us huddled for warmth in a winter storm while solving the Einstein Field Equations in our heads, colloquium from Thursday at 5 until Monday at 6, outside in the dark â€&quot; it was dark 24/7 in those days, and minus 350 Kelvin in the summer â€&quot; don&#039;t talk to me about absolute zero, that&#039;s a new thing pandering to the modern kids - where we had to not only give the talk but also build an electric baton, beat our fellow students with it if they fell asleep, and at the same time calculate the impulse of the baton, estimate the blood loss in the brain from the blow, measure the blood loss by open skull surgery, without anesthetic of course, using a hatchet made from a dead horse, and then the dead student had to show that the electric dipole moment of the baton was relativistically conserved under the proper Lorentz transform, in order to be readmitted to the program.  All I might add, without food or coffee.  We were poor but we were happy.  Those were the days.  We did real Physics.  The kids today are soft.  The actually get a bed!  They actually have food to eat.  The lab equipment works and they have instructions and instructors!  If we had had those luxuries we never would have done any physics!  Its no wonder the world is falling apart!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just can&#8217;t help hearing a Monty Python skit here.</p>
<p>When I was an undergrad, we were so poor, not only did we have broken equipment, not only did the professor beat us to within an inch of our lives if we were more than 1% in systematic error from theory, and we were grateful for it, not only did we have to do write-ups 25 hours a day without pen or paper, as well as attend lectures at the bottom of the nuclear pond from 6am to midnight with no breaks for lunch, it goes without saying naked, but we were also so poor we didn&#8217;t even have water, so we had to put out fires by sitting on them.  And there were fires all the time, the nuclear reactor blew up at least twice a week.  When I say half my class didn&#8217;t graduate I don&#8217;t mean they were too stupid &#8211; they simply burned their asses off doing physics.  But we loved it, even dead.  Oh God I miss those days.  The smell of radiation burns in the dorms, which were just shacks built on the river, without roofs or a floor, the camaraderie of all of us huddled for warmth in a winter storm while solving the Einstein Field Equations in our heads, colloquium from Thursday at 5 until Monday at 6, outside in the dark â€&#8221; it was dark 24/7 in those days, and minus 350 Kelvin in the summer â€&#8221; don&#8217;t talk to me about absolute zero, that&#8217;s a new thing pandering to the modern kids &#8211; where we had to not only give the talk but also build an electric baton, beat our fellow students with it if they fell asleep, and at the same time calculate the impulse of the baton, estimate the blood loss in the brain from the blow, measure the blood loss by open skull surgery, without anesthetic of course, using a hatchet made from a dead horse, and then the dead student had to show that the electric dipole moment of the baton was relativistically conserved under the proper Lorentz transform, in order to be readmitted to the program.  All I might add, without food or coffee.  We were poor but we were happy.  Those were the days.  We did real Physics.  The kids today are soft.  The actually get a bed!  They actually have food to eat.  The lab equipment works and they have instructions and instructors!  If we had had those luxuries we never would have done any physics!  Its no wonder the world is falling apart!</p>
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		<title>By: Mark H</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2006/10/13/physics-antiques-roadshow/comment-page-1/#comment-21191</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark H</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Oct 2006 23:00:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Old equipment?  Luxury!  Everytime I want to have my students perform an experiment, it&#039;s off to Radioshack for bits and pieces to assemble some kludgy apparatus (a conduction apparatus using 9-volt batteries and flashlight bulbs, measuring constant acceleration using balls rolling down tables propped up on textbooks, etc.).

Then again, my students have gotten results very close to theory using nothing more complicated than stop watches.  And, I get to give history lessons as they&#039;re working since they&#039;re essentially replicating the work of Galileo and other scientists who had to use their pulse as a timer.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Old equipment?  Luxury!  Everytime I want to have my students perform an experiment, it&#8217;s off to Radioshack for bits and pieces to assemble some kludgy apparatus (a conduction apparatus using 9-volt batteries and flashlight bulbs, measuring constant acceleration using balls rolling down tables propped up on textbooks, etc.).</p>
<p>Then again, my students have gotten results very close to theory using nothing more complicated than stop watches.  And, I get to give history lessons as they&#8217;re working since they&#8217;re essentially replicating the work of Galileo and other scientists who had to use their pulse as a timer.</p>
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		<title>By: Alex R</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alex R</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Oct 2006 19:40:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Some days I get the impression that in the next couple of decades, *all* educational physics laboratory equipment will be obsolete antiques, replaced by beautiful computer simulations that always follow exactly the equations that the students are learning in their textbooks...  (And of course, when the lab simulations are distributed along with the textbooks, there will be no need to ensure that the equations being simulated correspond to those obeyed by nature...)

Maintaining lab equipment for teaching physics is expensive, annoying, frustrating, and essential for understanding that physics is a &lt;b&gt;science&lt;/b&gt;.  People who keep the real thing running are doing very important work.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Some days I get the impression that in the next couple of decades, *all* educational physics laboratory equipment will be obsolete antiques, replaced by beautiful computer simulations that always follow exactly the equations that the students are learning in their textbooks&#8230;  (And of course, when the lab simulations are distributed along with the textbooks, there will be no need to ensure that the equations being simulated correspond to those obeyed by nature&#8230;)</p>
<p>Maintaining lab equipment for teaching physics is expensive, annoying, frustrating, and essential for understanding that physics is a <b>science</b>.  People who keep the real thing running are doing very important work.</p>
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		<title>By: gaussling</title>
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		<dc:creator>gaussling</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Oct 2006 04:59:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh, good lord. It is a rotary evaporator and it is adjusted ass-over-teakettle. The condenser is wrongly pointed down and the business end, which is missing a glass tube with a ground glass joint is pointed upwards. You hook a vacuum line on to the condenser and pump it down, causing a depression in the boiling point. Your flask with solvent in it is attached to the missing glass tube. It is used for vacuum distillation. The flask is rotated to prevent the liquid from violently bumping material over to the condenser side. The flask seen in the photo is to collect the distilled solvent. It is not an antique, though at the school in question it might see more service as a door stop. A cheap new one costs ~ 2 kilobucks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, good lord. It is a rotary evaporator and it is adjusted ass-over-teakettle. The condenser is wrongly pointed down and the business end, which is missing a glass tube with a ground glass joint is pointed upwards. You hook a vacuum line on to the condenser and pump it down, causing a depression in the boiling point. Your flask with solvent in it is attached to the missing glass tube. It is used for vacuum distillation. The flask is rotated to prevent the liquid from violently bumping material over to the condenser side. The flask seen in the photo is to collect the distilled solvent. It is not an antique, though at the school in question it might see more service as a door stop. A cheap new one costs ~ 2 kilobucks.</p>
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		<title>By: Philip Downey</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2006/10/13/physics-antiques-roadshow/comment-page-1/#comment-21186</link>
		<dc:creator>Philip Downey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Oct 2006 17:45:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry, I&#039;m not even going to guess what that thing is.

But I would like to say anybody interested in old scientific instruments should see this exhibit at Harvard:

http://www.fas.harvard.edu/~hsdept/chsi-exhibitions.html

They have finally gotten their collection out of the basement and into a nice room on the ground floor of the science building.

I saw it last week, very enjoyable.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry, I&#8217;m not even going to guess what that thing is.</p>
<p>But I would like to say anybody interested in old scientific instruments should see this exhibit at Harvard:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.fas.harvard.edu/~hsdept/chsi-exhibitions.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.fas.harvard.edu/~hsdept/chsi-exhibitions.html</a></p>
<p>They have finally gotten their collection out of the basement and into a nice room on the ground floor of the science building.</p>
<p>I saw it last week, very enjoyable.</p>
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		<title>By: RayCeeYa</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2006/10/13/physics-antiques-roadshow/comment-page-1/#comment-21184</link>
		<dc:creator>RayCeeYa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Oct 2006 03:43:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Our department uses viscometers that have a two speed transmission with a clutch.  And when I started here we had pH meters that were older than my father.  You should see our pilot plant.  We have equipment that dates to the twenties.  This is a state funded University for gods sake.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Our department uses viscometers that have a two speed transmission with a clutch.  And when I started here we had pH meters that were older than my father.  You should see our pilot plant.  We have equipment that dates to the twenties.  This is a state funded University for gods sake.</p>
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		<title>By: serial catowner</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2006/10/13/physics-antiques-roadshow/comment-page-1/#comment-21185</link>
		<dc:creator>serial catowner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Oct 2006 20:05:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ah, those good old days in the science class....listening to the background drone of the teacher, and wondering if he would ever do something with the van de Graaf generator.....and then that wonderful day in the movie house (was it &lt;i&gt;Weird Science?&lt;/i&gt;) when I actually got to see one of those things work......</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ah, those good old days in the science class&#8230;.listening to the background drone of the teacher, and wondering if he would ever do something with the van de Graaf generator&#8230;..and then that wonderful day in the movie house (was it <i>Weird Science?</i>) when I actually got to see one of those things work&#8230;&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Alejandro Rivero</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alejandro Rivero</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Oct 2006 10:55:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It seems also a good idea for a database website.

Ah, the one in your picture is a coffee machine. I mean, it is a still (distiler?) appartatus able to work at low presure, isnt it? In Zaragoza they use the low pressure trick to be able to extract the scent of a coffee cup by only lightly heating.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It seems also a good idea for a database website.</p>
<p>Ah, the one in your picture is a coffee machine. I mean, it is a still (distiler?) appartatus able to work at low presure, isnt it? In Zaragoza they use the low pressure trick to be able to extract the scent of a coffee cup by only lightly heating.</p>
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		<title>By: JoAnne</title>
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		<dc:creator>JoAnne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Oct 2006 06:33:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My God, you&#039;re in Rock Island!  I went to high school just across the River....I still remember driving my Mother&#039;s car at age 17 when the brakes when out in downtown Rock Island....and one of my first dates was a Doobie Brother&#039;s concert at the Rock Island arsenal.  Harold&#039;s on the Rock USED to be the best the restaurant around (my wedding rehearsal dinner was held there), but then, that was awhile ago....Enjoy!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My God, you&#8217;re in Rock Island!  I went to high school just across the River&#8230;.I still remember driving my Mother&#8217;s car at age 17 when the brakes when out in downtown Rock Island&#8230;.and one of my first dates was a Doobie Brother&#8217;s concert at the Rock Island arsenal.  Harold&#8217;s on the Rock USED to be the best the restaurant around (my wedding rehearsal dinner was held there), but then, that was awhile ago&#8230;.Enjoy!</p>
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		<title>By: Jennifer Ouellette</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jennifer Ouellette</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Oct 2006 00:54:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think The Learning Channel would be all over this idea. :) Time to get an agent and make the pitch. After all, everyone in LA has a pilot in the works...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think The Learning Channel would be all over this idea. <img src='http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  Time to get an agent and make the pitch. After all, everyone in LA has a pilot in the works&#8230;</p>
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