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		<title>By: Rudeness vs. science? &#171; .. dotted and undotted dotterings ..</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rudeness vs. science? &#171; .. dotted and undotted dotterings ..</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Mar 2007 16:15:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] March 30th, 2007   There&#8217;s an interesting discussion going on over at Cosmic Variance on what constitutes a scientific archnemesis. In the ensuing discussion, however an interesting side topic arose: does blatant rudeness &#8211;a common accompanying trait along with numerous other unfortunate qualities of an archnemesis&#8211; violate the norms of scientific conduct? As the discussion at CV indicates, not all scientists think that flagrant and intentional harshness in discourse steps outside the bounds of what science is. And I think I actually agree with that. Rudeness might be unnecessary and even counterproductive, but it can often have a sobering effect as well, acting as the veritable &#8220;kick in the pants.&#8221; Probably the most famous example of this, in physics at least, is Wolfgang Pauli&#8217;s infamous remark that some such proposal was &#8220;not even wrong.&#8221; The individual at whom this attack was directed may have thought of it as an unjustified personal attack on their intelligence. There is however another interpretation, which the Wikipedia article points out. Something could be said to be not even wrong in the sense that it does not rise to the level of falsifiability and is therefore not a scientific hypothesis. So at least some of what one might call rude can also be useful as it acts as a wake-up call. Furthermore many people use combative language simply as a provocation, so as to stimulate/instigate discussion. After all, healthy competition often leads to some of the best work. There is also of course the really nasty, hurtful kind of rudeness that serves no purpose other than to make you feel tiny and distract you from real work. This is certainly an impediment to science, but I don&#8217;t think it&#8217;s more than that. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] March 30th, 2007   There&#8217;s an interesting discussion going on over at Cosmic Variance on what constitutes a scientific archnemesis. In the ensuing discussion, however an interesting side topic arose: does blatant rudeness &#8211;a common accompanying trait along with numerous other unfortunate qualities of an archnemesis&#8211; violate the norms of scientific conduct? As the discussion at CV indicates, not all scientists think that flagrant and intentional harshness in discourse steps outside the bounds of what science is. And I think I actually agree with that. Rudeness might be unnecessary and even counterproductive, but it can often have a sobering effect as well, acting as the veritable &#8220;kick in the pants.&#8221; Probably the most famous example of this, in physics at least, is Wolfgang Pauli&#8217;s infamous remark that some such proposal was &#8220;not even wrong.&#8221; The individual at whom this attack was directed may have thought of it as an unjustified personal attack on their intelligence. There is however another interpretation, which the Wikipedia article points out. Something could be said to be not even wrong in the sense that it does not rise to the level of falsifiability and is therefore not a scientific hypothesis. So at least some of what one might call rude can also be useful as it acts as a wake-up call. Furthermore many people use combative language simply as a provocation, so as to stimulate/instigate discussion. After all, healthy competition often leads to some of the best work. There is also of course the really nasty, hurtful kind of rudeness that serves no purpose other than to make you feel tiny and distract you from real work. This is certainly an impediment to science, but I don&#8217;t think it&#8217;s more than that. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: The Poor Man Institute &#187; Behold SchrÃ¶dinger&#8217;s cat!</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Poor Man Institute &#187; Behold SchrÃ¶dinger&#8217;s cat!</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Mar 2007 22:41:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Via Cosmic V.    &#160; [...]</description>
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		<title>By: åšå®¢æŽæ·¼ &#187; å°±ä¸­å†·æš–å’Œè°é"</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2006/12/10/a-policy-question-comments/comment-page-2/#comment-23084</link>
		<dc:creator>åšå®¢æŽæ·¼ &#187; å°±ä¸­å†·æš–å’Œè°é"</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Jan 2007 05:06:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] æœ€è¿‘å¼¦è®ºç•Œè‘&#8212;åwise man Joe Polchinskiä¸ºã€ŠAmerican Scientistã€‹å†™äº†å...³äºŽPeter Woitçš„ã€ŠNot Even Wrongã€‹å’ŒLee Smolinçš„ã€ŠThe Trouble with Physicsã€‹çš„è¯„è®ºï¼Œè¯¥æ–‡çš„ä¿®æ&quot;¹ç‰ˆè´´åœ¨Sean Carrollçš„åšå®¢ï¼Œæƒ³å¿...Carrollåšå®¢çš„å¸¸å®¢å·²ç»çœ‹åˆ°äº†è¿™ç¯‡æ–‡ç« ã€‚ [...]</description>
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		<title>By: serial catowner</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2006/12/10/a-policy-question-comments/comment-page-2/#comment-23087</link>
		<dc:creator>serial catowner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Dec 2006 23:47:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I must have version 1.0 of this software, because life isn&#039;t long enough to type such long comments.  Anyone who has the patience to type in this box deserves to be posted.  It may be a valuable therapy keeping them from anti-social acts.

Blog commenting is how we reach for the conversation of the 21st century.  When people learn not to respond to trolls, that&#039;s one small step for a man, a giant leap for mankind.

But, hey!- it&#039;s your blog, you can do what you want with it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I must have version 1.0 of this software, because life isn&#8217;t long enough to type such long comments.  Anyone who has the patience to type in this box deserves to be posted.  It may be a valuable therapy keeping them from anti-social acts.</p>
<p>Blog commenting is how we reach for the conversation of the 21st century.  When people learn not to respond to trolls, that&#8217;s one small step for a man, a giant leap for mankind.</p>
<p>But, hey!- it&#8217;s your blog, you can do what you want with it.</p>
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		<title>By: The Big Media, The Big Book and the Big School at</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Big Media, The Big Book and the Big School at</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Dec 2006 01:43:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] The Big Media, The Big Book and the Big School   Published December 20th, 2006 in Science, Authority, Physics, Marketing, Doctors of Philosophy, String Theory, Newton, The Org, Humans    &#8220;As most of you know, we pride ourselves here on being a top-down blog&#8230;. Our attitude is, we know what&#8217;s best for you, and we&#8217;re taking time from our busy schedules to provide it, and you&#8217;ll like it or learn to. At Cosmic Variance that&#8217;s just how we roll.&#8221; http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2006/12/10/a-policy-question-comments/ [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] The Big Media, The Big Book and the Big School   Published December 20th, 2006 in Science, Authority, Physics, Marketing, Doctors of Philosophy, String Theory, Newton, The Org, Humans    &#8220;As most of you know, we pride ourselves here on being a top-down blog&#8230;. Our attitude is, we know what&#8217;s best for you, and we&#8217;re taking time from our busy schedules to provide it, and you&#8217;ll like it or learn to. At Cosmic Variance that&#8217;s just how we roll.&#8221; <a href="http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2006/12/10/a-policy-question-comments/" rel="nofollow">http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2006/12/10/a-policy-question-comments/</a> [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Scott H.</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2006/12/10/a-policy-question-comments/comment-page-2/#comment-23047</link>
		<dc:creator>Scott H.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Dec 2006 02:11:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Sean ---

Late arrival here, though that&#039;s not uncorrelated with my point ... I&#039;ve pretty much stopped reading cosmicvariance (at least regularly; just noticed this thread since I haven&#039;t checked in for a while), and it&#039;s essentially because the noise level is too high for my taste.  Comments are my favorite part of the handful of blogs I read, and I haven&#039;t really enjoyed comments here for a long time.</description>
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<p>Late arrival here, though that&#8217;s not uncorrelated with my point &#8230; I&#8217;ve pretty much stopped reading cosmicvariance (at least regularly; just noticed this thread since I haven&#8217;t checked in for a while), and it&#8217;s essentially because the noise level is too high for my taste.  Comments are my favorite part of the handful of blogs I read, and I haven&#8217;t really enjoyed comments here for a long time.</p>
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		<title>By: David Moles</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2006/12/10/a-policy-question-comments/comment-page-2/#comment-22972</link>
		<dc:creator>David Moles</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Dec 2006 16:32:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Plato, 50 isn&#039;t actually very high on the Crackpot Index. The Time Cube gets &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.kuro5hin.org/comments/2006/10/31/161746/39?pid=74#80&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;530 points&lt;/a&gt; before even considering items 2, 3, and 4 (statements widely agreed upon to be false [1 point], clearly vacuous statements [2 points], logically inconsistent statements [3 points]).

And don&#039;t forget the -5 point starting credit.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Plato, 50 isn&#8217;t actually very high on the Crackpot Index. The Time Cube gets <a href="http://www.kuro5hin.org/comments/2006/10/31/161746/39?pid=74#80" rel="nofollow">530 points</a> before even considering items 2, 3, and 4 (statements widely agreed upon to be false [1 point], clearly vacuous statements [2 points], logically inconsistent statements [3 points]).</p>
<p>And don&#8217;t forget the -5 point starting credit.</p>
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		<title>By: PZ Myers</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2006/12/10/a-policy-question-comments/comment-page-2/#comment-23085</link>
		<dc:creator>PZ Myers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Dec 2006 22:35:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here&#039;s another helpful solution: &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.scienceblogs.com/pharyngula/2006/04/an_even_better_killfile_for_ph.php&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;a killfile for blogs&lt;/a&gt;! My readers also got fed up with some of the more annoying commenters, so one wrote a Firefox add-on that stripped out user-selectable commenters.

It would need to be tweaked to work with CV, but it&#039;s always nice to move some of the editing off into the hands of the readers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here&#8217;s another helpful solution: <a href="http://www.scienceblogs.com/pharyngula/2006/04/an_even_better_killfile_for_ph.php" rel="nofollow">a killfile for blogs</a>! My readers also got fed up with some of the more annoying commenters, so one wrote a Firefox add-on that stripped out user-selectable commenters.</p>
<p>It would need to be tweaked to work with CV, but it&#8217;s always nice to move some of the editing off into the hands of the readers.</p>
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		<title>By: Chinmaya Sheth</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2006/12/10/a-policy-question-comments/comment-page-2/#comment-23083</link>
		<dc:creator>Chinmaya Sheth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Dec 2006 14:29:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>schustenberg, yes very funny, but what was your opinion about the post if you had one?</description>
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		<title>By: schustenberg</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2006/12/10/a-policy-question-comments/comment-page-2/#comment-23082</link>
		<dc:creator>schustenberg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Dec 2006 14:19:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>it is really funny to see crackpots and out-of-contests comments (this one included) in a post which deals with this problem...it&#039;s a kind of self-consistent stuff. Very appropriate.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>it is really funny to see crackpots and out-of-contests comments (this one included) in a post which deals with this problem&#8230;it&#8217;s a kind of self-consistent stuff. Very appropriate.</p>
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		<title>By: Chinmaya Sheth</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2006/12/10/a-policy-question-comments/comment-page-2/#comment-23081</link>
		<dc:creator>Chinmaya Sheth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Dec 2006 14:17:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Clarification of #108: I think noise can be a turn-off but I&#039;ve not seen enough of it here to stop someone with a signal.</description>
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		<title>By: Xerxes</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2006/12/10/a-policy-question-comments/comment-page-2/#comment-23080</link>
		<dc:creator>Xerxes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Dec 2006 07:24:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ban. Ban-ban-ban. And then go to their houses and take their keyboards away. When I was an admin for a physics discussion site, we had a strong crackpot-banning policy. One strike, we delete your post and send you a warning. Two strikes and you&#039;re banned forever. It was the only way to keep things sane. Don&#039;t be swayed by their cries and complaints. It serves the interests of the silent majority to not have to slog through all the dreck to get to useful material.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ban. Ban-ban-ban. And then go to their houses and take their keyboards away. When I was an admin for a physics discussion site, we had a strong crackpot-banning policy. One strike, we delete your post and send you a warning. Two strikes and you&#8217;re banned forever. It was the only way to keep things sane. Don&#8217;t be swayed by their cries and complaints. It serves the interests of the silent majority to not have to slog through all the dreck to get to useful material.</p>
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		<title>By: Plato</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2006/12/10/a-policy-question-comments/comment-page-2/#comment-23079</link>
		<dc:creator>Plato</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Dec 2006 05:42:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>IN the interest of &quot;&lt;b&gt;not degrading&lt;/b&gt;&quot; this or any other comment section.

People throw the term &quot;crackpot&quot; around quite loosely, as if it is &quot;an idea.&quot;

Do you realize how insulting this is to another human being? I really don&#039;t care if your a &quot;top notch scientist.&quot; Is this the kind of thing supposed to be the standard?

&lt;a href=&quot;http://math.ucr.edu/home/baez/crackpot.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;#37.&lt;/a&gt; 50 points for claiming you have a revolutionary theory but giving no concrete testable predictions.

I am sorry to say, by this index,  all string theorists have 50 points against/for them?

So by using &quot;this index&quot; we see where stereotyping has taken place. An attitude about those who have spent a large part of their life learning. Maybe not to smart, about cosmology, or string theory, with just has a &quot;little flavour&quot; of them all. Certainly more, then just reading one book?

People attacked Peter Woit because he was relating &quot;intelligent design&quot; as the string theorists motto? But this has changed through dialogue? By example, those who are &quot;far apart&quot; in what they think, terming others,  as a crackpot?

Shall I call the person who created the crackpot index a crackpot? It&#039;s just not right.

So people had been &quot;band&quot; for such things?

Shall one make an exception for somebody who is a good craftsman? Or shall we leave them alone, and just exterminate those who are the seers?

Now you got to remember this definition is not mine, and by a consensus would you categorize the person who wrote it? Would you &quot;categorize someone&quot; who can do good calculations and is very smart about these abilities. &quot;Possibly&quot; the next Einstein? :) No, it&#039;s not me:) #30 Whew! :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>IN the interest of &#8220;<b>not degrading</b>&#8221; this or any other comment section.</p>
<p>People throw the term &#8220;crackpot&#8221; around quite loosely, as if it is &#8220;an idea.&#8221;</p>
<p>Do you realize how insulting this is to another human being? I really don&#8217;t care if your a &#8220;top notch scientist.&#8221; Is this the kind of thing supposed to be the standard?</p>
<p><a href="http://math.ucr.edu/home/baez/crackpot.html" rel="nofollow">#37.</a> 50 points for claiming you have a revolutionary theory but giving no concrete testable predictions.</p>
<p>I am sorry to say, by this index,  all string theorists have 50 points against/for them?</p>
<p>So by using &#8220;this index&#8221; we see where stereotyping has taken place. An attitude about those who have spent a large part of their life learning. Maybe not to smart, about cosmology, or string theory, with just has a &#8220;little flavour&#8221; of them all. Certainly more, then just reading one book?</p>
<p>People attacked Peter Woit because he was relating &#8220;intelligent design&#8221; as the string theorists motto? But this has changed through dialogue? By example, those who are &#8220;far apart&#8221; in what they think, terming others,  as a crackpot?</p>
<p>Shall I call the person who created the crackpot index a crackpot? It&#8217;s just not right.</p>
<p>So people had been &#8220;band&#8221; for such things?</p>
<p>Shall one make an exception for somebody who is a good craftsman? Or shall we leave them alone, and just exterminate those who are the seers?</p>
<p>Now you got to remember this definition is not mine, and by a consensus would you categorize the person who wrote it? Would you &#8220;categorize someone&#8221; who can do good calculations and is very smart about these abilities. &#8220;Possibly&#8221; the next Einstein? <img src='http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  No, it&#8217;s not me:) #30 Whew! <img src='http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Aaron</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2006/12/10/a-policy-question-comments/comment-page-2/#comment-23078</link>
		<dc:creator>Aaron</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Dec 2006 03:53:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey! I don&#039;t read this blog too frequently since Clifford left, but I might as well toss a few cents in. On one hand, I enjoy reading a few crackpots every now and then; they can be thought-provoking, and I get good mental exercise figuring out why they&#039;re wrong. On the other hand, people who have legitimate questions and comments could easily be intimidated by a large number of crackpotty posts -- especially very long ones. At worst, barely-lucid screeds can kill the flow of conversation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey! I don&#8217;t read this blog too frequently since Clifford left, but I might as well toss a few cents in. On one hand, I enjoy reading a few crackpots every now and then; they can be thought-provoking, and I get good mental exercise figuring out why they&#8217;re wrong. On the other hand, people who have legitimate questions and comments could easily be intimidated by a large number of crackpotty posts &#8212; especially very long ones. At worst, barely-lucid screeds can kill the flow of conversation.</p>
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		<title>By: Chinmaya Sheth</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2006/12/10/a-policy-question-comments/comment-page-2/#comment-23077</link>
		<dc:creator>Chinmaya Sheth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Dec 2006 02:08:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think noise can be a turn-off but I&#039;ve not seen enough of it here to stop someone who wants to say something.</description>
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		<title>By: CapitalistImperialistPig</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2006/12/10/a-policy-question-comments/comment-page-2/#comment-23076</link>
		<dc:creator>CapitalistImperialistPig</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Dec 2006 01:32:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Clearly this post is an exception, since Sean specifically asked for comments, but what I find more tedious than crackpots is endless repetition of an idea already stated.</description>
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		<title>By: z.king</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2006/12/10/a-policy-question-comments/comment-page-2/#comment-23075</link>
		<dc:creator>z.king</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Dec 2006 00:19:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;That&#039;s where the people, our beloved readers, can let their voices be heard.&lt;/i&gt;

Power to the people, Sean, power to the people. And that&#039;s why we love you too, man.

&lt;i&gt;Would this blog be a better place if the Heavy Hand of the State slapped down some of the noisier contributors,...&lt;/i&gt;

Slap those crackpot punks down, Sean, slap &#039;em down like Dembski.

&lt;i&gt;...or is the chaos part of the charm?&lt;/i&gt;

Or take a lesson from Demski&#039;s &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.uncommondescent.com/index.php/comment-policy/moderation/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;commenter rules&lt;/a&gt; on how to convey to people that commenters are there for your own personal amusement.

Interpolate this: art is the means by which philosophy can be made palatable to the average person.

If people weren&#039;t interested in being entertained a little, they would just buy your book.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>That&#8217;s where the people, our beloved readers, can let their voices be heard.</i></p>
<p>Power to the people, Sean, power to the people. And that&#8217;s why we love you too, man.</p>
<p><i>Would this blog be a better place if the Heavy Hand of the State slapped down some of the noisier contributors,&#8230;</i></p>
<p>Slap those crackpot punks down, Sean, slap &#8216;em down like Dembski.</p>
<p><i>&#8230;or is the chaos part of the charm?</i></p>
<p>Or take a lesson from Demski&#8217;s <a href="http://www.uncommondescent.com/index.php/comment-policy/moderation/" rel="nofollow">commenter rules</a> on how to convey to people that commenters are there for your own personal amusement.</p>
<p>Interpolate this: art is the means by which philosophy can be made palatable to the average person.</p>
<p>If people weren&#8217;t interested in being entertained a little, they would just buy your book.</p>
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		<title>By: Stefan</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2006/12/10/a-policy-question-comments/comment-page-2/#comment-23074</link>
		<dc:creator>Stefan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Dec 2006 23:58:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I usually skim through the comments in a thread, sometimes they are really interesting, often entertaining. Moderation is probably a very tough and time-consuming job. I thought I could suggest that you may update the original post with links to &quot;recommended&quot; comments. But then, I saw that this idea has been mentioned before (&lt;a href=&quot;http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2006/12/10/a-policy-question-comments/#comment-150203&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;#81&lt;/a&gt;) - guess by whom :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I usually skim through the comments in a thread, sometimes they are really interesting, often entertaining. Moderation is probably a very tough and time-consuming job. I thought I could suggest that you may update the original post with links to &#8220;recommended&#8221; comments. But then, I saw that this idea has been mentioned before (<a href="http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2006/12/10/a-policy-question-comments/#comment-150203" rel="nofollow">#81</a>) &#8211; guess by whom <img src='http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Tom Renbarger</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2006/12/10/a-policy-question-comments/comment-page-2/#comment-23073</link>
		<dc:creator>Tom Renbarger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Dec 2006 20:53:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Back in the day at P.U., from time to time I took a certain perverse delight in engaging someone, let&#039;s call him Mr. Q., when he would pipe in with some bit of nonsense.  Not something I would do regularly, but it was fun to do every so often.  So I guess I have some predisposition towards letting the cranks post.  It hasn&#039;t gotten that bad yet, so I say go with the status quo unless the problem worsens.

On Plato (the commenter) in particular, I&#039;ve never viewed him as a crank, but I do get the distinct impression that English isn&#039;t his first language.  Combine that with a flair for an elliptical turn of phrase, and his comments can present tough sledding, but I don&#039;t think they are of the crackpot variety.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Back in the day at P.U., from time to time I took a certain perverse delight in engaging someone, let&#8217;s call him Mr. Q., when he would pipe in with some bit of nonsense.  Not something I would do regularly, but it was fun to do every so often.  So I guess I have some predisposition towards letting the cranks post.  It hasn&#8217;t gotten that bad yet, so I say go with the status quo unless the problem worsens.</p>
<p>On Plato (the commenter) in particular, I&#8217;ve never viewed him as a crank, but I do get the distinct impression that English isn&#8217;t his first language.  Combine that with a flair for an elliptical turn of phrase, and his comments can present tough sledding, but I don&#8217;t think they are of the crackpot variety.</p>
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		<title>By: Plato</title>
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		<dc:creator>Plato</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Dec 2006 17:38:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>From &quot;top down,&quot; I had assumed Sean was talking of cosmology down to the quantum perspective?

While I recognize the experts as well, it is the experts that decide where they will comment. Some how I controlled what they were going to say? Look at John no problem. Look at how good scientists speak to each other? Lee Smolin and Joe Polchinski. Who has not heard of them?

If you had stuck to learning then you would know of the respect I have had for them and how they have been leaders in my continued research.

Maybe asking them in regards to their respective areas of expertise if they felt that they were derailed.They can pick where they choose to respond and they did.

Joe may talk about string theory(an abstract world), and I liked JoAnne&#039;s impute in regards to high energy because of the methods being developed to look at the physics. Like the group assembled here was the right blend? Your varied topics? Those of interest I respond a little too and those I thought each has their own idea of value of what life is to them. That the blended groups thoughts about other things which were of no interest so I skim over them.

It was more the idea sparked in my mind to continue my own search, the substance blog entries would send anyone looking into those general areas. Do more work in understanding topology, what the universe was actually doing.

Who of these experts could speak so clear that even the layperson could actually understand what they were saying? And you thought myself cryptic?:) It meant more homework. To see the basis of their thoughts. I tried my best. Shall I spell out for you the good scientists who have reach across the abyss of the most profound and abstract?

Not only are the craftsman reading and commenting on their expertise areas, but the seers are reading too pushing the boundaries.  If you do not understand this statement here then you have not read Lee Smolin&#039;s work. Maybe you can read more on that and background dependence/independence at a later time.

Lastly, notice the numbers besides the comments on the right? Now match them up, as you read the entires. They are already being deleted if not thought appropriate.

I too look at the expert explanations as well and truthfully read to see what tidbits will be of value. Help to lead me in new directions of science.

No I am not crazy  and a crackpot, even if if the ground swell saids I am.  I am truly thankful for my character name now. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>From &#8220;top down,&#8221; I had assumed Sean was talking of cosmology down to the quantum perspective?</p>
<p>While I recognize the experts as well, it is the experts that decide where they will comment. Some how I controlled what they were going to say? Look at John no problem. Look at how good scientists speak to each other? Lee Smolin and Joe Polchinski. Who has not heard of them?</p>
<p>If you had stuck to learning then you would know of the respect I have had for them and how they have been leaders in my continued research.</p>
<p>Maybe asking them in regards to their respective areas of expertise if they felt that they were derailed.They can pick where they choose to respond and they did.</p>
<p>Joe may talk about string theory(an abstract world), and I liked JoAnne&#8217;s impute in regards to high energy because of the methods being developed to look at the physics. Like the group assembled here was the right blend? Your varied topics? Those of interest I respond a little too and those I thought each has their own idea of value of what life is to them. That the blended groups thoughts about other things which were of no interest so I skim over them.</p>
<p>It was more the idea sparked in my mind to continue my own search, the substance blog entries would send anyone looking into those general areas. Do more work in understanding topology, what the universe was actually doing.</p>
<p>Who of these experts could speak so clear that even the layperson could actually understand what they were saying? And you thought myself cryptic?:) It meant more homework. To see the basis of their thoughts. I tried my best. Shall I spell out for you the good scientists who have reach across the abyss of the most profound and abstract?</p>
<p>Not only are the craftsman reading and commenting on their expertise areas, but the seers are reading too pushing the boundaries.  If you do not understand this statement here then you have not read Lee Smolin&#8217;s work. Maybe you can read more on that and background dependence/independence at a later time.</p>
<p>Lastly, notice the numbers besides the comments on the right? Now match them up, as you read the entires. They are already being deleted if not thought appropriate.</p>
<p>I too look at the expert explanations as well and truthfully read to see what tidbits will be of value. Help to lead me in new directions of science.</p>
<p>No I am not crazy  and a crackpot, even if if the ground swell saids I am.  I am truly thankful for my character name now. <img src='http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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