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	<title>Comments on: Scott Aaronson on the String Wars</title>
	<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2006/12/21/scott-aaronson-on-the-string-wars/</link>
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		<title>By: gbob</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2006/12/21/scott-aaronson-on-the-string-wars/#comment-23452</link>
		<dc:creator>gbob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Dec 2006 22:28:35 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2006/12/21/scott-aaronson-on-the-string-wars/#comment-23452</guid>
		<description>Sean, you *sure* you want credit for this? I mean, when it comes to the inevitable "Dancing with the Stars 726: String Wars", I think you're going to be trying to hide.

Then again, seeing Brian Greene trying to do The Hustle might be worth it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sean, you *sure* you want credit for this? I mean, when it comes to the inevitable &#8220;Dancing with the Stars 726: String Wars&#8221;, I think you&#8217;re going to be trying to hide.</p>
<p>Then again, seeing Brian Greene trying to do The Hustle might be worth it.</p>
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		<title>By: CapitalistImperialistPig</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2006/12/21/scott-aaronson-on-the-string-wars/#comment-23474</link>
		<dc:creator>CapitalistImperialistPig</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Dec 2006 06:10:21 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2006/12/21/scott-aaronson-on-the-string-wars/#comment-23474</guid>
		<description>&lt;a href="http://www.laykin.org/family/sara/sillywar/index.htm" rel="nofollow"&gt;This post&lt;/a&gt; has you all beat.  And they have real string images.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.laykin.org/family/sara/sillywar/index.htm" rel="nofollow">This post</a> has you all beat.  And they have real string images.</p>
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		<title>By: Elliot</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2006/12/21/scott-aaronson-on-the-string-wars/#comment-23473</link>
		<dc:creator>Elliot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Dec 2006 22:24:11 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2006/12/21/scott-aaronson-on-the-string-wars/#comment-23473</guid>
		<description>while you guys are arguing....


The Panthropic Principle

The existence of intelligent observers can only occur in universes where the physical constants are such that the ratio of the size (area) of the universe at the time of the emergence of those observers and whatever the local equivalent of the planck size (the smallest area where bitwise distinctions can be made)  within that universe is very large.

Elliot</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>while you guys are arguing&#8230;.</p>
<p>The Panthropic Principle</p>
<p>The existence of intelligent observers can only occur in universes where the physical constants are such that the ratio of the size (area) of the universe at the time of the emergence of those observers and whatever the local equivalent of the planck size (the smallest area where bitwise distinctions can be made)  within that universe is very large.</p>
<p>Elliot</p>
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		<title>By: Aaron Bergman</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2006/12/21/scott-aaronson-on-the-string-wars/#comment-23472</link>
		<dc:creator>Aaron Bergman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Dec 2006 18:52:59 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2006/12/21/scott-aaronson-on-the-string-wars/#comment-23472</guid>
		<description>Excuse me. May predates June, you know. These are serious issues, after all, and I want my money.

Tenure is an acceptable substitute, however. I'll happily cede all my rights regarding this matter in exchance for a tenured position.

Tenure-track may also be acceptable. We can negotiate on that point.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Excuse me. May predates June, you know. These are serious issues, after all, and I want my money.</p>
<p>Tenure is an acceptable substitute, however. I&#8217;ll happily cede all my rights regarding this matter in exchance for a tenured position.</p>
<p>Tenure-track may also be acceptable. We can negotiate on that point.</p>
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		<title>By: Sean</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2006/12/21/scott-aaronson-on-the-string-wars/#comment-23471</link>
		<dc:creator>Sean</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Dec 2006 18:45:28 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2006/12/21/scott-aaronson-on-the-string-wars/#comment-23471</guid>
		<description>Alejandro wins.  Okay, I hereby forfeit all the money I've made thus far off of "The String Wars" to Alejandro, and I'll keep any future money.  Sounds fair?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Alejandro wins.  Okay, I hereby forfeit all the money I&#8217;ve made thus far off of &#8220;The String Wars&#8221; to Alejandro, and I&#8217;ll keep any future money.  Sounds fair?</p>
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		<title>By: Alejandro</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2006/12/21/scott-aaronson-on-the-string-wars/#comment-23470</link>
		<dc:creator>Alejandro</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Dec 2006 17:25:43 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2006/12/21/scott-aaronson-on-the-string-wars/#comment-23470</guid>
		<description>Sean, I used "String Wars" in &lt;i&gt;the title&lt;/i&gt; of a blog post in June -and referring back to a post of yours, no less!

&lt;a href="http://realityconditions.blogspot.com/2006/06/sean-carroll-on-string-wars.html" rel="nofollow"&gt;http://realityconditions.blogspot.com/2006/06/sean-carroll-on-string-wars.html&lt;/a&gt;

So not only I have a priority claim on the meme (unless you can produce your email dated earlier) but also I can sue you for plagiarism because your title for this post is suspiciously similar to the one I used for that one... So all your money, and Scott's, belongs to me now. Mhuahuahuhuahua!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sean, I used &#8220;String Wars&#8221; in <i>the title</i> of a blog post in June -and referring back to a post of yours, no less!</p>
<p><a href="http://realityconditions.blogspot.com/2006/06/sean-carroll-on-string-wars.html" rel="nofollow">http://realityconditions.blogspot.com/2006/06/sean-carroll-on-string-wars.html</a></p>
<p>So not only I have a priority claim on the meme (unless you can produce your email dated earlier) but also I can sue you for plagiarism because your title for this post is suspiciously similar to the one I used for that one&#8230; So all your money, and Scott&#8217;s, belongs to me now. Mhuahuahuhuahua!</p>
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		<title>By: Carl Brannen</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2006/12/21/scott-aaronson-on-the-string-wars/#comment-23469</link>
		<dc:creator>Carl Brannen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Dec 2006 05:20:54 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2006/12/21/scott-aaronson-on-the-string-wars/#comment-23469</guid>
		<description>Seconding John Sidles on the future of string theory, the book &lt;a href="http://www.amazon.com/Gravitys-Shadow-Search-Gravitational-Waves/dp/0226113787" rel="nofollow"&gt;Gravity's Shadow&lt;/a&gt; gives a sociological analysis of a fight in physics I remember from my graduate student days, the search for gravity waves.  From my reading of that book, which I highly recommend, I would think that string theory will survive until new graduate students are attracted to an alternative theory.  And the attraction will be due to that alternative theory being more effective at making calculations.

That string theory has survived so far is not due to some unusual absence of ethics among theorists.  It has survived because of the absence of alternatives that produce good results.  As far as matching up with experiment, (which is the driving force behind all physics), I'm convinced that link quantum gravity is as useless as string theory, but string theory got there first, and so gets more dollars.  I would think that what destroys string theory will be something coming out of phenomenology, something that simply gives an easier way of calculating things.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Seconding John Sidles on the future of string theory, the book <a href="http://www.amazon.com/Gravitys-Shadow-Search-Gravitational-Waves/dp/0226113787" rel="nofollow">Gravity&#8217;s Shadow</a> gives a sociological analysis of a fight in physics I remember from my graduate student days, the search for gravity waves.  From my reading of that book, which I highly recommend, I would think that string theory will survive until new graduate students are attracted to an alternative theory.  And the attraction will be due to that alternative theory being more effective at making calculations.</p>
<p>That string theory has survived so far is not due to some unusual absence of ethics among theorists.  It has survived because of the absence of alternatives that produce good results.  As far as matching up with experiment, (which is the driving force behind all physics), I&#8217;m convinced that link quantum gravity is as useless as string theory, but string theory got there first, and so gets more dollars.  I would think that what destroys string theory will be something coming out of phenomenology, something that simply gives an easier way of calculating things.</p>
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		<title>By: John Sidles</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2006/12/21/scott-aaronson-on-the-string-wars/#comment-23468</link>
		<dc:creator>John Sidles</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Dec 2006 19:12:36 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2006/12/21/scott-aaronson-on-the-string-wars/#comment-23468</guid>
		<description>A BibTeX quote whose concluding sentence (absent compelling experimental data) is predicts the future course of the String Wars:

@book{Press:94,
author = {W. H. Press and B. P. Flannery and S. A. Teukolsky and W. T. Vetterling},
title = {Numerical Recipes: The Art of Scientific Computing},
publisher = {Cambridge University Press},
year = 1994,
edition = {Second},
address = {Cambridge},
jasnote = {Section 14.0 ''If a statistic falls in a reasonable part of the distribution, you must not make the mistake of concluding that the null hypothesis is `verified' or `proved.' That is the curse of statistics, that it can never prove things, only disprove them! At best, you can substantiate a hypothesis by ruling out, statistically, a whole long list of competing hypotheses, every one that has ever been proposed. After a while your adversaries and competitors will give up trying to think of alternative hypotheses, or else they will grow old and die, and then your hypothesis will become accepted. Sounds crazy, we know, but that's how science works!''}, }</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A BibTeX quote whose concluding sentence (absent compelling experimental data) is predicts the future course of the String Wars:</p>
<p>@book{Press:94,<br />
author = {W. H. Press and B. P. Flannery and S. A. Teukolsky and W. T. Vetterling},<br />
title = {Numerical Recipes: The Art of Scientific Computing},<br />
publisher = {Cambridge University Press},<br />
year = 1994,<br />
edition = {Second},<br />
address = {Cambridge},<br />
jasnote = {Section 14.0 &#8221;If a statistic falls in a reasonable part of the distribution, you must not make the mistake of concluding that the null hypothesis is `verified&#8217; or `proved.&#8217; That is the curse of statistics, that it can never prove things, only disprove them! At best, you can substantiate a hypothesis by ruling out, statistically, a whole long list of competing hypotheses, every one that has ever been proposed. After a while your adversaries and competitors will give up trying to think of alternative hypotheses, or else they will grow old and die, and then your hypothesis will become accepted. Sounds crazy, we know, but that&#8217;s how science works!&#8221;}, }</p>
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		<title>By: Elliot</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2006/12/21/scott-aaronson-on-the-string-wars/#comment-23467</link>
		<dc:creator>Elliot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Dec 2006 18:03:33 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2006/12/21/scott-aaronson-on-the-string-wars/#comment-23467</guid>
		<description>The observation of significant numbers of people sitting in a large venue all focused on activity at the center of the venue, predicts the existence of a sports/entertainment phenomenon at the center of the venue.

The fanthropic principle.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The observation of significant numbers of people sitting in a large venue all focused on activity at the center of the venue, predicts the existence of a sports/entertainment phenomenon at the center of the venue.</p>
<p>The fanthropic principle.</p>
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		<title>By: Cynthia</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2006/12/21/scott-aaronson-on-the-string-wars/#comment-23466</link>
		<dc:creator>Cynthia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Dec 2006 13:33:22 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2006/12/21/scott-aaronson-on-the-string-wars/#comment-23466</guid>
		<description>Sean, if I'm not mistaken, Aaron preceded you regarding the use of the phrase, "String Wars." Anyhow, I think the phrase "String Wars" is a bit misleading. Oh sure, there are a few battles brewing among the strings. But the actual war is occurring between the strings and the antistrings.

Nevertheless though, you probably ought to receive credit for being the first to use the term, "String Backlash," which--in my opinion--is a more accurate description of what's actually taking place in the arena of quantum gravity.

By the way, Aaron's critique of "Not Even Wrong" is--by far--the best of the bunch.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sean, if I&#8217;m not mistaken, Aaron preceded you regarding the use of the phrase, &#8220;String Wars.&#8221; Anyhow, I think the phrase &#8220;String Wars&#8221; is a bit misleading. Oh sure, there are a few battles brewing among the strings. But the actual war is occurring between the strings and the antistrings.</p>
<p>Nevertheless though, you probably ought to receive credit for being the first to use the term, &#8220;String Backlash,&#8221; which&#8211;in my opinion&#8211;is a more accurate description of what&#8217;s actually taking place in the arena of quantum gravity.</p>
<p>By the way, Aaron&#8217;s critique of &#8220;Not Even Wrong&#8221; is&#8211;by far&#8211;the best of the bunch.</p>
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