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	<title>Comments on: The Honor of Being Forgotten</title>
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		<title>By: Ben</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2007/01/15/the-honor-of-being-forgotten/#comment-24070</link>
		<dc:creator>Ben</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Jan 2007 00:52:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;"A terrible book. They do many things badly. But it was all we had at the time."
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Sic transit gloria mundi.  That's probably the best thing one can hope anybody ever says about one's thesis ...  Nice detective work.  That means "The distribution function of absolute luminosity."
I think it is actually an article in a book; there is one in our library titled "Probleme der Astronomie. Festschrift fur Hugo v. Seeliger" and I bet that's it.  Also the title yielded enough to find this &lt;a href="http://nedwww.ipac.caltech.edu/level5/Glossary/Glossary_H.html" rel="nofollow"&gt;glossary entry&lt;/a&gt;, skip down to the entry for Hess diagram.  There is a figure.

I have no idea when people even started using filters!  &lt;a href="http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0521018285/" rel="nofollow"&gt;Hearnshaw's book&lt;/a&gt; might say; it is more interesting than the title sounds.  Or we could just ask George.  A fond memory of my first day as a new postdoc at the Carwash is when George, accompanied by Andy McWilliam, barged into my new office and announced, "Did you know that this is the office in which &lt;i&gt;technetium&lt;/i&gt; was discovered in stars???" by way of introduction.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>&#8220;A terrible book. They do many things badly. But it was all we had at the time.&#8221;
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<p>Sic transit gloria mundi.  That&#8217;s probably the best thing one can hope anybody ever says about one&#8217;s thesis &#8230;  Nice detective work.  That means &#8220;The distribution function of absolute luminosity.&#8221;<br />
I think it is actually an article in a book; there is one in our library titled &#8220;Probleme der Astronomie. Festschrift fur Hugo v. Seeliger&#8221; and I bet that&#8217;s it.  Also the title yielded enough to find this <a href="http://nedwww.ipac.caltech.edu/level5/Glossary/Glossary_H.html" rel="nofollow">glossary entry</a>, skip down to the entry for Hess diagram.  There is a figure.</p>
<p>I have no idea when people even started using filters!  <a href="http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0521018285/" rel="nofollow">Hearnshaw&#8217;s book</a> might say; it is more interesting than the title sounds.  Or we could just ask George.  A fond memory of my first day as a new postdoc at the Carwash is when George, accompanied by Andy McWilliam, barged into my new office and announced, &#8220;Did you know that this is the office in which <i>technetium</i> was discovered in stars???&#8221; by way of introduction.</p>
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		<title>By: Julianne</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2007/01/15/the-honor-of-being-forgotten/#comment-24071</link>
		<dc:creator>Julianne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Jan 2007 18:41:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Ben!  My local ESP suggested checking Trumpler &#38; Weaver (1953) (after pronouncing it "A terrible book.  They do many things badly.  But it was all we had at the time").  Chapter 4.3 states "Such a representation is often called a Hess diagram after R. Hess[27] who, in 1924, first constructed a contour map of L(M,S)".  The reference is:

[27] R. Hess, "Die Verteilungsfunktion der absol. Helligkeiten etc".  Seeliger Festschrift, Springer, Berlin, 1924.

The one I want to track down is the person who first figured out that it would useful to take images of astronomical objects through different filters.  George Preston (yet another ESP) told me the name, but I forgot.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Ben!  My local ESP suggested checking Trumpler &amp; Weaver (1953) (after pronouncing it &#8220;A terrible book.  They do many things badly.  But it was all we had at the time&#8221;).  Chapter 4.3 states &#8220;Such a representation is often called a Hess diagram after R. Hess[27] who, in 1924, first constructed a contour map of L(M,S)&#8221;.  The reference is:</p>
<p>[27] R. Hess, &#8220;Die Verteilungsfunktion der absol. Helligkeiten etc&#8221;.  Seeliger Festschrift, Springer, Berlin, 1924.</p>
<p>The one I want to track down is the person who first figured out that it would useful to take images of astronomical objects through different filters.  George Preston (yet another ESP) told me the name, but I forgot.</p>
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		<title>By: Ben</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2007/01/15/the-honor-of-being-forgotten/#comment-24069</link>
		<dc:creator>Ben</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Jan 2007 08:35:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>JD,
you're quite probably familiar with plotting the density of stars in a color-magnitude diagram and calling it a "Hess diagram."  this raises a natural question, namely "Who the heck is Hess?"

searching google is not much help; the ADS abstracts turn up a use as early as 1948 by Payne-Gaposchkin but even she doesn't give a citation.  the only way i know to solve this problem is that i once heard Bob Kraft (an ESP) once say he knew the Hess Identity - but either he didn't give it up that day, or i &lt;i&gt;forgot&lt;/i&gt;.

it is like bit rot in uncommented code.  there is lore that everybody knows, and therefore no one knows it at all.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>JD,<br />
you&#8217;re quite probably familiar with plotting the density of stars in a color-magnitude diagram and calling it a &#8220;Hess diagram.&#8221;  this raises a natural question, namely &#8220;Who the heck is Hess?&#8221;</p>
<p>searching google is not much help; the ADS abstracts turn up a use as early as 1948 by Payne-Gaposchkin but even she doesn&#8217;t give a citation.  the only way i know to solve this problem is that i once heard Bob Kraft (an ESP) once say he knew the Hess Identity - but either he didn&#8217;t give it up that day, or i <i>forgot</i>.</p>
<p>it is like bit rot in uncommented code.  there is lore that everybody knows, and therefore no one knows it at all.</p>
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		<title>By: Comet McNaught &#124; Cosmic Variance</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2007/01/15/the-honor-of-being-forgotten/#comment-24057</link>
		<dc:creator>Comet McNaught &#124; Cosmic Variance</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Jan 2007 06:22:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Tony Smith</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2007/01/15/the-honor-of-being-forgotten/#comment-24058</link>
		<dc:creator>Tony Smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Jan 2007 06:02:29 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2007/01/15/the-honor-of-being-forgotten/#comment-24058</guid>
		<description>Julianne said "... yes, we consider oxygen to be a metal. sue me ...".

Chris W asked "... Any lawyers reading this? ...".

Yes, I am a lawyer, and as such I try to check facts before suing (unfortunately, that is not a universal practice among lawyers).  In doing so, I found a Phys. Rev. Lett. paper by Weck, Loubeyre, and Letoullec - see
http://cat.inist.fr/?aModele=afficheN&#38;cpsidt=13578182
entitled "Observation of structural transformations in metal oxygen".
The abstract says:
"X-ray diffraction and Raman measurements have been performed on solid oxygen up to, respectively, 115 and 120 GPa. Metallization at 96 GPa is shown to be associated with a continuous displacive structural transformation. At 110 GPa, a new structure is stabilized. The evolution of the vibron mode reflects also the sequence of phase transitions through the continuity of the vibron frequency at 96 GPa, then the broadening of the vibron peak into the background and finally the reappearance of a sharp vibron at 110 GPa with a -2.5% discontinuity in the frequency. The observation of the vibron peak demonstrates that metallic oxygen is molecular up to at least 120 GPa.".

So, it seems to me that Julianne and her fellow astronomers have solid ground to refer to oxygen as a metal, and would probably win any lawsuit asserting otherwise.

Tony Smith
http://www.valdostamuseum.org/hamsmith/

PS - Thanks, Julianne, for a very interesting blog entry.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Julianne said &#8220;&#8230; yes, we consider oxygen to be a metal. sue me &#8230;&#8221;.</p>
<p>Chris W asked &#8220;&#8230; Any lawyers reading this? &#8230;&#8221;.</p>
<p>Yes, I am a lawyer, and as such I try to check facts before suing (unfortunately, that is not a universal practice among lawyers).  In doing so, I found a Phys. Rev. Lett. paper by Weck, Loubeyre, and Letoullec - see<br />
<a href="http://cat.inist.fr/?aModele=afficheN&amp;cpsidt=13578182" rel="nofollow">http://cat.inist.fr/?aModele=afficheN&amp;cpsidt=13578182</a><br />
entitled &#8220;Observation of structural transformations in metal oxygen&#8221;.<br />
The abstract says:<br />
&#8220;X-ray diffraction and Raman measurements have been performed on solid oxygen up to, respectively, 115 and 120 GPa. Metallization at 96 GPa is shown to be associated with a continuous displacive structural transformation. At 110 GPa, a new structure is stabilized. The evolution of the vibron mode reflects also the sequence of phase transitions through the continuity of the vibron frequency at 96 GPa, then the broadening of the vibron peak into the background and finally the reappearance of a sharp vibron at 110 GPa with a -2.5% discontinuity in the frequency. The observation of the vibron peak demonstrates that metallic oxygen is molecular up to at least 120 GPa.&#8221;.</p>
<p>So, it seems to me that Julianne and her fellow astronomers have solid ground to refer to oxygen as a metal, and would probably win any lawsuit asserting otherwise.</p>
<p>Tony Smith<br />
<a href="http://www.valdostamuseum.org/hamsmith/" rel="nofollow">http://www.valdostamuseum.org/hamsmith/</a></p>
<p>PS - Thanks, Julianne, for a very interesting blog entry.</p>
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		<title>By: Brad Holden</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2007/01/15/the-honor-of-being-forgotten/#comment-24059</link>
		<dc:creator>Brad Holden</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Jan 2007 05:44:46 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2007/01/15/the-honor-of-being-forgotten/#comment-24059</guid>
		<description>Didn't Oort do, well, basically everything?
It would be like referencing Zwicky.

I am idly wondering who the ESP was....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Didn&#8217;t Oort do, well, basically everything?<br />
It would be like referencing Zwicky.</p>
<p>I am idly wondering who the ESP was&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Simon DeDeo</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2007/01/15/the-honor-of-being-forgotten/#comment-24060</link>
		<dc:creator>Simon DeDeo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Jan 2007 05:19:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh no! Illusions shattered! :(!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh no! Illusions shattered! :(!</p>
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		<title>By: michael pierce</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2007/01/15/the-honor-of-being-forgotten/#comment-24061</link>
		<dc:creator>michael pierce</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Jan 2007 03:40:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>hmmm.....  I don't think there's really too much difference in physics and astronomy in that regard.  Not that Rutherford's quote isn't great fun at times, but the minutiae that keep things working in a condensed matter physics lab (or at least every one I've ever participated in!) are frankly stunning.

There's a funny paleo-physics anecdote along similar lines in magnetics.  The person largely responsible for the initial study of magnetic memory was a fellow named Erwin Madelung.  Back at the start of the 20th century he wrote his thesis on magnetic hysteresis and came up with some rules for classifying the magnetic memory properties (or lack of) in different materials.  His name has often been overshadowed by those that followed him even though his rules and language are still used today.  And I'm sure you can readily appreciate how important magnetic memory is today!

What makes this a bit more fun, is that I can guarantee that many of you (especially the physicists?) have actually seen Madelung's published work with your own eyes.  You see, he also happens to hold a rather unique place in the history of physics.  If you go and look for his very first published paper, the bound journal should fall open almost directly to his paper.  In fact, the book should open to the last page of his paper.  Why might you ask?

His very first paper appeared in 1905 and just happens to immediately precede the special relativity paper by Albert Einstein.  So, as many young physical scientists are prone to seek out those most famous of papers at least once in their lives, they see at least the very last page of Erwin Madelung's great paper on magnetic hysteresis.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>hmmm&#8230;..  I don&#8217;t think there&#8217;s really too much difference in physics and astronomy in that regard.  Not that Rutherford&#8217;s quote isn&#8217;t great fun at times, but the minutiae that keep things working in a condensed matter physics lab (or at least every one I&#8217;ve ever participated in!) are frankly stunning.</p>
<p>There&#8217;s a funny paleo-physics anecdote along similar lines in magnetics.  The person largely responsible for the initial study of magnetic memory was a fellow named Erwin Madelung.  Back at the start of the 20th century he wrote his thesis on magnetic hysteresis and came up with some rules for classifying the magnetic memory properties (or lack of) in different materials.  His name has often been overshadowed by those that followed him even though his rules and language are still used today.  And I&#8217;m sure you can readily appreciate how important magnetic memory is today!</p>
<p>What makes this a bit more fun, is that I can guarantee that many of you (especially the physicists?) have actually seen Madelung&#8217;s published work with your own eyes.  You see, he also happens to hold a rather unique place in the history of physics.  If you go and look for his very first published paper, the bound journal should fall open almost directly to his paper.  In fact, the book should open to the last page of his paper.  Why might you ask?</p>
<p>His very first paper appeared in 1905 and just happens to immediately precede the special relativity paper by Albert Einstein.  So, as many young physical scientists are prone to seek out those most famous of papers at least once in their lives, they see at least the very last page of Erwin Madelung&#8217;s great paper on magnetic hysteresis.</p>
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		<title>By: Julianne</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2007/01/15/the-honor-of-being-forgotten/#comment-24062</link>
		<dc:creator>Julianne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Jan 2007 23:04:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If you read the link attatched to Jim's name, you'll find that he disavows being the same Jim Gunn as the science fiction author.  I hadn't heard about Sidney though.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you read the link attatched to Jim&#8217;s name, you&#8217;ll find that he disavows being the same Jim Gunn as the science fiction author.  I hadn&#8217;t heard about Sidney though.</p>
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		<title>By: Oort</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2007/01/15/the-honor-of-being-forgotten/#comment-24064</link>
		<dc:creator>Oort</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Jan 2007 22:58:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>hello... thank you for this post... i have been watching things from my cloud out here and it is refreshing to finally see some SCIENTIFIC HONESTY...

oort</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>hello&#8230; thank you for this post&#8230; i have been watching things from my cloud out here and it is refreshing to finally see some SCIENTIFIC HONESTY&#8230;</p>
<p>oort</p>
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