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		<title>By: I Fear for the Internets &#124; Cosmic Variance</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2007/02/16/pretty-pictures/comment-page-1/#comment-25045</link>
		<dc:creator>I Fear for the Internets &#124; Cosmic Variance</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Mar 2007 02:03:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Thanks to Daniel&#8217;s post below, Cosmic Variance is presently the #1 Google hit for pretty pictures of love. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Thanks to Daniel&#8217;s post below, Cosmic Variance is presently the #1 Google hit for pretty pictures of love. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: AKB</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2007/02/16/pretty-pictures/comment-page-1/#comment-25052</link>
		<dc:creator>AKB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Feb 2007 15:16:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think that this simple thing is actually very pretty. Slightly scientific of course because of using magnets and liquid but other than that very pretty. I myself am a photographer and i know pretty when I see pretty.

Plus that colored smoke link that Amara posted was very lovely indeed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think that this simple thing is actually very pretty. Slightly scientific of course because of using magnets and liquid but other than that very pretty. I myself am a photographer and i know pretty when I see pretty.</p>
<p>Plus that colored smoke link that Amara posted was very lovely indeed.</p>
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		<title>By: Amara</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2007/02/16/pretty-pictures/comment-page-1/#comment-25041</link>
		<dc:creator>Amara</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Feb 2007 18:51:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>These &quot;&lt;a href=&quot;http://sensitivelight.com/smoke2/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;colored smoke&lt;/a&gt;&quot; photos would fit the same genre as Frankel, but I suspect the photographer would call himself an artist. They are lovely, no matter what the photographer(s) call themselves, I think.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>These &#8220;<a href="http://sensitivelight.com/smoke2/" rel="nofollow">colored smoke</a>&#8221; photos would fit the same genre as Frankel, but I suspect the photographer would call himself an artist. They are lovely, no matter what the photographer(s) call themselves, I think.</p>
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		<title>By: Ben</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2007/02/16/pretty-pictures/comment-page-1/#comment-25042</link>
		<dc:creator>Ben</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Feb 2007 10:35:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think it&#039;s legitimate for Frankel to claim that she is not an artist even though her pictures are visually striking and end up in art museums.  I can go to a museum and see a war photograph by Robert Capa or a chair from China or the Venus of Willendorf or a Shaker box.   None of these objects were created as art objects (Capa would have said he was a photojournalist), although now they have become art.  (For one perspective on how that happens, see the writings of Arthur Danto.)  The photojournalist is the best analogy, since like a scientist the journalist has an obligation to represent the phenomena faithfully, but also compellingly.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think it&#8217;s legitimate for Frankel to claim that she is not an artist even though her pictures are visually striking and end up in art museums.  I can go to a museum and see a war photograph by Robert Capa or a chair from China or the Venus of Willendorf or a Shaker box.   None of these objects were created as art objects (Capa would have said he was a photojournalist), although now they have become art.  (For one perspective on how that happens, see the writings of Arthur Danto.)  The photojournalist is the best analogy, since like a scientist the journalist has an obligation to represent the phenomena faithfully, but also compellingly.</p>
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		<title>By: Plato</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2007/02/16/pretty-pictures/comment-page-1/#comment-25040</link>
		<dc:creator>Plato</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Feb 2007 20:41:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>TBB,

There has been lots of issue here in terms of the spam filter, and to display url was an accident, with &quot;the arrow/greater then&quot; pointing the wrong way.

Anyway to your point. You sparked recognition of the descent and an article I did.


 The &quot;sound of the descent.&quot;  This also sparked recognition of various posts on the blogs in terms of sound, &quot;Clifford&#039;s B Flat,&quot; and others. How do you bring this together with all the other &quot;means of measure&quot; in which we view the cosmos. JoAnne&#039;s gamma ray picture of the Sun?

&lt;a href=&quot;http://saturn.jpl.nasa.gov/multimedia/videos/video-details.cfm?videoID=126&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;The Huygens probe was delivered to Saturn&#039;s moon Titan by the Cassini spacecraft, which is managed by NASA&#039;s Jet Propulsion Laboratory, Pasadena, Calif. NASA supplied two instruments on the probe, the descent imager/spectral radiometer and the gas chromatograph mass spectrometer&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;/a&gt;

So this is one more aspect that has been developing. The &quot;sound of gravitational&quot; waves? I&#039;ll have two links for consideration and the idea of bringing this into the pictures we have of the cosmos. I will address  this in my blog post later.

Thanks for pointing this out.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>TBB,</p>
<p>There has been lots of issue here in terms of the spam filter, and to display url was an accident, with &#8220;the arrow/greater then&#8221; pointing the wrong way.</p>
<p>Anyway to your point. You sparked recognition of the descent and an article I did.</p>
<p> The &#8220;sound of the descent.&#8221;  This also sparked recognition of various posts on the blogs in terms of sound, &#8220;Clifford&#8217;s B Flat,&#8221; and others. How do you bring this together with all the other &#8220;means of measure&#8221; in which we view the cosmos. JoAnne&#8217;s gamma ray picture of the Sun?</p>
<p><a href="http://saturn.jpl.nasa.gov/multimedia/videos/video-details.cfm?videoID=126" rel="nofollow"><br />
<blockquote>The Huygens probe was delivered to Saturn&#8217;s moon Titan by the Cassini spacecraft, which is managed by NASA&#8217;s Jet Propulsion Laboratory, Pasadena, Calif. NASA supplied two instruments on the probe, the descent imager/spectral radiometer and the gas chromatograph mass spectrometer</p></blockquote>
<p></a></p>
<p>So this is one more aspect that has been developing. The &#8220;sound of gravitational&#8221; waves? I&#8217;ll have two links for consideration and the idea of bringing this into the pictures we have of the cosmos. I will address  this in my blog post later.</p>
<p>Thanks for pointing this out.</p>
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		<title>By: Eugene</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2007/02/16/pretty-pictures/comment-page-1/#comment-25043</link>
		<dc:creator>Eugene</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Feb 2007 06:29:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Adam #12,

Actually no, I don&#039;t think it does. Most of my friends who go &quot;huh&quot;.

(For a baseline, I think the captions in the Astronomy of the Day archives are great.)</description>
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<p>Actually no, I don&#8217;t think it does. Most of my friends who go &#8220;huh&#8221;.</p>
<p>(For a baseline, I think the captions in the Astronomy of the Day archives are great.)</p>
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		<title>By: Kaleberg</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2007/02/16/pretty-pictures/comment-page-1/#comment-25054</link>
		<dc:creator>Kaleberg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Feb 2007 04:28:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Someone has to mention Berenice Abbot who did a series of now iconic science photos which are often found in textbooks. (Some were taken for The Attractive Universe). They are simple, beautiful and direct. She used stop motion to demonstrate the principles of mechanics and fantastic images of light in motion to demonstrate optics. You have probably seen some of these photos as many readers of this blog have taken physics courses.

Check out: &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.artsmia.org/get-the-picture/print/abbott.shtml&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.artsmia.org/get-the-picture/print/abbott.shtml&lt;/a&gt;
which has a few samples.

Someone should also mention &quot;Doc&quot; Edgerton of high speed photographic fame and one heck of a ukulele player. His drop splash pictures redefined the way we understand motion. Of course, he followed up on the work of Muybridge who did some of the first stop motion sequence photography.

For an interesting set of images, check out Beyond Vision (by Darius). It is chock full of great scientific images including a 19th century stereogram of the moon based on libration and the first color image of the stars, which was sold at the Mt Wilson gift shop, I believe, without comment on its historical interest.

Is it art or science? It is probably a bit of both. Wasn&#039;t most Renaissance painting about the interaction of light and matter as reproduced in pigment? One can consider Guernica, or Henry the V, Part I, as art, or as politics. Why is the duality lost for science?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Someone has to mention Berenice Abbot who did a series of now iconic science photos which are often found in textbooks. (Some were taken for The Attractive Universe). They are simple, beautiful and direct. She used stop motion to demonstrate the principles of mechanics and fantastic images of light in motion to demonstrate optics. You have probably seen some of these photos as many readers of this blog have taken physics courses.</p>
<p>Check out: <a href="http://www.artsmia.org/get-the-picture/print/abbott.shtml" rel="nofollow">http://www.artsmia.org/get-the-picture/print/abbott.shtml</a><br />
which has a few samples.</p>
<p>Someone should also mention &#8220;Doc&#8221; Edgerton of high speed photographic fame and one heck of a ukulele player. His drop splash pictures redefined the way we understand motion. Of course, he followed up on the work of Muybridge who did some of the first stop motion sequence photography.</p>
<p>For an interesting set of images, check out Beyond Vision (by Darius). It is chock full of great scientific images including a 19th century stereogram of the moon based on libration and the first color image of the stars, which was sold at the Mt Wilson gift shop, I believe, without comment on its historical interest.</p>
<p>Is it art or science? It is probably a bit of both. Wasn&#8217;t most Renaissance painting about the interaction of light and matter as reproduced in pigment? One can consider Guernica, or Henry the V, Part I, as art, or as politics. Why is the duality lost for science?</p>
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		<title>By: TBB</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2007/02/16/pretty-pictures/comment-page-1/#comment-25034</link>
		<dc:creator>TBB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Feb 2007 03:00:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hmm...let me try what Plato did and remove my HTML tags:

Photography is art, skill and technology. Ansel Adams&#039;s landscape images were so sublime because he knew how to manipulate the camera, use shadow and light and composition with much skill. Likewise, the MRO photographs of Mars, I recall Emily Lakdawalla of The Planetary Society claiming, could be hanging in a gallery (those false color topography pictures with wonderful texture). How one frames an image and causes another to look at something in a different way is the key to all art, and now we have this macroscopic technology, highly advanced telescopes, cameras, &lt;i&gt;et cetera&lt;/i&gt;, to stretch photography even further.

A couple of years ago I got this link off of 3 Quarks Daily (such a wonderful blog): &lt;b&gt;Princeton&#039;s Art of Science Competition&lt;/b&gt; (remove asteriks) *http://www.princeton.edu/artofscience/gallery/*, which does have captions for each photo. I love looking at these images; one &lt;i&gt;could&lt;/i&gt; just draw ants, just as the old Audubon books of sketched birds, but this is where technology has brought us now. And aren&#039;t we driven towards aesthetics? We wouldn&#039;t gurgle over beautiful sunsets if not and there&#039;s a lot of science to be learned just looking at those.

Last week while perusing the physics section of the bookstore I thumbed through this book, &lt;i&gt;Art &amp; Physics&lt;/i&gt;, by Leonard Schlain, a surgeon apparently. It looked somewhat interesting, but has mixed reviews on Amazon - wondering if anyone is familiar with it. I had enough books in my hands as it was.

&lt;b&gt;Plato&lt;/b&gt;I still think the Cassini-Huygens probe &quot;Titan Descent Data Movie with Bells and Whistles&quot; video reminds me of an installation in the modern art section of our local museum. It looks like a souffle bursting on a plate, actually. ;-) &quot;The Way Things Work&quot; is on a TV installation, too...and that&#039;s all mechanics.

Video link minus asteriks, but screen should be enlarged:
*http://saturn.jpl.nasa.gov/multimedia/videos/video-details.cfm?videoID=126*</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hmm&#8230;let me try what Plato did and remove my HTML tags:</p>
<p>Photography is art, skill and technology. Ansel Adams&#8217;s landscape images were so sublime because he knew how to manipulate the camera, use shadow and light and composition with much skill. Likewise, the MRO photographs of Mars, I recall Emily Lakdawalla of The Planetary Society claiming, could be hanging in a gallery (those false color topography pictures with wonderful texture). How one frames an image and causes another to look at something in a different way is the key to all art, and now we have this macroscopic technology, highly advanced telescopes, cameras, <i>et cetera</i>, to stretch photography even further.</p>
<p>A couple of years ago I got this link off of 3 Quarks Daily (such a wonderful blog): <b>Princeton&#8217;s Art of Science Competition</b> (remove asteriks) *http://www.princeton.edu/artofscience/gallery/*, which does have captions for each photo. I love looking at these images; one <i>could</i> just draw ants, just as the old Audubon books of sketched birds, but this is where technology has brought us now. And aren&#8217;t we driven towards aesthetics? We wouldn&#8217;t gurgle over beautiful sunsets if not and there&#8217;s a lot of science to be learned just looking at those.</p>
<p>Last week while perusing the physics section of the bookstore I thumbed through this book, <i>Art &amp; Physics</i>, by Leonard Schlain, a surgeon apparently. It looked somewhat interesting, but has mixed reviews on Amazon &#8211; wondering if anyone is familiar with it. I had enough books in my hands as it was.</p>
<p><b>Plato</b>I still think the Cassini-Huygens probe &#8220;Titan Descent Data Movie with Bells and Whistles&#8221; video reminds me of an installation in the modern art section of our local museum. It looks like a souffle bursting on a plate, actually. <img src='http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' />  &#8220;The Way Things Work&#8221; is on a TV installation, too&#8230;and that&#8217;s all mechanics.</p>
<p>Video link minus asteriks, but screen should be enlarged:<br />
*http://saturn.jpl.nasa.gov/multimedia/videos/video-details.cfm?videoID=126*</p>
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		<title>By: TBB</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2007/02/16/pretty-pictures/comment-page-1/#comment-25044</link>
		<dc:creator>TBB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Feb 2007 02:55:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tried to post something to no avail.  :-(</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tried to post something to no avail.  <img src='http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_sad.gif' alt=':-(' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: tyler</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2007/02/16/pretty-pictures/comment-page-1/#comment-25046</link>
		<dc:creator>tyler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Feb 2007 00:08:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Chris: an aside on constraint vs. freedom in art:

The history of jazz music can be viewed as the struggle between constraint and freedom. Some prefer highly constrained styles (bebop), others like completely unconstrained &quot;free&quot; jazz, while many of us find that the most interesting structures emerge somewhere in the middle. Miles Davis, for instance, has recordings which range almost the entire spectrum, but my favorites are from the early and mid-60s. They are free enough to allow interesting new forms to emerge through improvisation but constrained enough to provide a useful conceptual framework, so the musicians (and listeners) can stay &quot;on the same page&quot; as it were.

Coltrane is another classic example of a jazz artist whose catalog ranges from the very highly ordered (Giant Steps) to the utterly chaotic (Stellar Regions et al), but for many fans his finest works are those towards the middle of this spectrum (My Favorite Things, A Love Supreme).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Chris: an aside on constraint vs. freedom in art:</p>
<p>The history of jazz music can be viewed as the struggle between constraint and freedom. Some prefer highly constrained styles (bebop), others like completely unconstrained &#8220;free&#8221; jazz, while many of us find that the most interesting structures emerge somewhere in the middle. Miles Davis, for instance, has recordings which range almost the entire spectrum, but my favorites are from the early and mid-60s. They are free enough to allow interesting new forms to emerge through improvisation but constrained enough to provide a useful conceptual framework, so the musicians (and listeners) can stay &#8220;on the same page&#8221; as it were.</p>
<p>Coltrane is another classic example of a jazz artist whose catalog ranges from the very highly ordered (Giant Steps) to the utterly chaotic (Stellar Regions et al), but for many fans his finest works are those towards the middle of this spectrum (My Favorite Things, A Love Supreme).</p>
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