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	<title>Comments on: States have Rights, but I don&#8217;t think this is one of them</title>
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		<title>By: linlin</title>
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		<dc:creator>linlin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Apr 2007 03:05:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i think, pluto is still a mystery to us. any pre-classification probably prove later a big joke.

as for the legislature, i don&#039;t think they know anything about science, astronomy....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i think, pluto is still a mystery to us. any pre-classification probably prove later a big joke.</p>
<p>as for the legislature, i don&#8217;t think they know anything about science, astronomy&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Laurel Kornfeld</title>
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		<dc:creator>Laurel Kornfeld</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Apr 2007 05:03:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In no way are supporters of Pluto&#039;s planethood similar to creationists.  Science has NOT sufficiently established a definition of the term planet on which experts can agree nor has a consensus of astronomers agreed that evidence shows without a shadow of doubt that Pluto does not meet the qualification for planethood.  Instead, we have a divide with some of the leading planetary scientists in the world rejecting the IAU definition and the exclusion of Pluto as a planet.  That&#039;s hardly co-opting scientific ideas to arrive at a pre-selected conclusion.  If anything here is to be questioned, it is the political and highly surreptitious process by which a fraction of the IAU, mostly not planetary scientists, presumed to make a decision for not only their entire field, but for the whole world.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In no way are supporters of Pluto&#8217;s planethood similar to creationists.  Science has NOT sufficiently established a definition of the term planet on which experts can agree nor has a consensus of astronomers agreed that evidence shows without a shadow of doubt that Pluto does not meet the qualification for planethood.  Instead, we have a divide with some of the leading planetary scientists in the world rejecting the IAU definition and the exclusion of Pluto as a planet.  That&#8217;s hardly co-opting scientific ideas to arrive at a pre-selected conclusion.  If anything here is to be questioned, it is the political and highly surreptitious process by which a fraction of the IAU, mostly not planetary scientists, presumed to make a decision for not only their entire field, but for the whole world.</p>
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		<title>By: Stephen Uitti</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stephen Uitti</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Mar 2007 19:05:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>...brontosaurus isn&#039;t a dinosaur?

According to this:
http://www.unmuseum.org/dinobront.htm
... the brontosaurus is alive and well, as a synonym. I still don&#039;t see how the name apotosaurus should have priority.

The story i&#039;d heard was this:  The apotosaurus body was mated to the skull of a Camarasaurus.  The animal got renamed when this mistake was discovered.  This story makes sense, but doesn&#039;t really cover it.

Really, the issues, the Brontosaurus, and Pluto, are similar.  Politics, and hyperbola, not reason, have guided decisions.

My interpretations of the new IAU definition of the word &quot;planet&quot; lead to one of two results.

1.  There are no planets in our solar system.

or

2.  Only Jupiter is a planet.  It&#039;s the big bully.  Nothing else matters.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8230;brontosaurus isn&#8217;t a dinosaur?</p>
<p>According to this:<br />
<a href="http://www.unmuseum.org/dinobront.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.unmuseum.org/dinobront.htm</a><br />
&#8230; the brontosaurus is alive and well, as a synonym. I still don&#8217;t see how the name apotosaurus should have priority.</p>
<p>The story i&#8217;d heard was this:  The apotosaurus body was mated to the skull of a Camarasaurus.  The animal got renamed when this mistake was discovered.  This story makes sense, but doesn&#8217;t really cover it.</p>
<p>Really, the issues, the Brontosaurus, and Pluto, are similar.  Politics, and hyperbola, not reason, have guided decisions.</p>
<p>My interpretations of the new IAU definition of the word &#8220;planet&#8221; lead to one of two results.</p>
<p>1.  There are no planets in our solar system.</p>
<p>or</p>
<p>2.  Only Jupiter is a planet.  It&#8217;s the big bully.  Nothing else matters.</p>
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		<title>By: andy.s</title>
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		<dc:creator>andy.s</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Mar 2007 22:31:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That was a bill in the Indiana legislature in the 19th century.
I don&#039;t think it ever got out of committee.

See the Straight Dope website.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That was a bill in the Indiana legislature in the 19th century.<br />
I don&#8217;t think it ever got out of committee.</p>
<p>See the Straight Dope website.</p>
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		<title>By: Andy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Mar 2007 20:37:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Was it New Mexico that once ruled that the value of pi was four? Or was it Ohio?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Was it New Mexico that once ruled that the value of pi was four? Or was it Ohio?</p>
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		<title>By: Sacha</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sacha</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Mar 2007 04:19:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Apparently the Fiscal Impact of the bill was &quot;NFI&quot;. Seems fairly accurate.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Apparently the Fiscal Impact of the bill was &#8220;NFI&#8221;. Seems fairly accurate.</p>
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		<title>By: Risa</title>
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		<dc:creator>Risa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Mar 2007 05:51:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My favorite comment on this was on a T-shirt that my cousin&#039;s 8th grade academic team created -- &quot;That&#039;s okay, Pluto.  I&#039;m not a planet either&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My favorite comment on this was on a T-shirt that my cousin&#8217;s 8th grade academic team created &#8212; &#8220;That&#8217;s okay, Pluto.  I&#8217;m not a planet either&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Amara</title>
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		<dc:creator>Amara</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Mar 2007 23:54:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Upon applying  the dynamic definitions set in Prague last August, not only is Pluto not a planet, but Earth is not a planet, Mars is not a planet, Jupiter is not a planet, and neither is Neptune.

Anyone up for writing this entry in Conservapedia?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Upon applying  the dynamic definitions set in Prague last August, not only is Pluto not a planet, but Earth is not a planet, Mars is not a planet, Jupiter is not a planet, and neither is Neptune.</p>
<p>Anyone up for writing this entry in Conservapedia?</p>
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		<title>By: New Mexico&#8217;s Planet &#171; any illimitable star</title>
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		<dc:creator>New Mexico&#8217;s Planet &#171; any illimitable star</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Mar 2007 16:29:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Mexico&#8217;s&#160;Planet  Jump to Comments Apparently, the New Mexico Legislature has declared Pluto to be a planet when it&#8217;s over theNew Mexican sky. As the science blog Cosmic Variance points out, it&#8217;s a &#8220;remarkable display of scientific federalism.&#8221; [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Mexico&#8217;s&nbsp;Planet  Jump to Comments Apparently, the New Mexico Legislature has declared Pluto to be a planet when it&#8217;s over theNew Mexican sky. As the science blog Cosmic Variance points out, it&#8217;s a &#8220;remarkable display of scientific federalism.&#8221; [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Navneeth</title>
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		<dc:creator>Navneeth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Mar 2007 08:11:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;We gave up the brontosaurus without a whimper.&lt;/i&gt;

Now that this info is out on the internet, in one of the popular (science) blogs, with silly news media all around us, we&#039;re probably going to witness a delay...ed hue and cry on this issue.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>We gave up the brontosaurus without a whimper.</i></p>
<p>Now that this info is out on the internet, in one of the popular (science) blogs, with silly news media all around us, we&#8217;re probably going to witness a delay&#8230;ed hue and cry on this issue.</p>
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