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		<title>By: adam</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2007/03/27/beer-glorious-beer/comment-page-1/#comment-26420</link>
		<dc:creator>adam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Mar 2007 16:08:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Duncan 13: until a couple of years ago, you could get Fuller&#039;s ESB, cask conditioned on draft and at room temperature in the Alchemist and Barrister in Princeton, New Jersey. Alas, they eventually stopped doing it, the swine. The Triumph normally has one of their own brews that is English-style, but they serve it cold, which is a shame.

Jackd #10: Woodchuck isn&#039;t bad, actually. I&#039;d take it over strongbow or woodpecker, which is damning with faint praise, but also over most other ciders I&#039;ve had.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Duncan 13: until a couple of years ago, you could get Fuller&#8217;s ESB, cask conditioned on draft and at room temperature in the Alchemist and Barrister in Princeton, New Jersey. Alas, they eventually stopped doing it, the swine. The Triumph normally has one of their own brews that is English-style, but they serve it cold, which is a shame.</p>
<p>Jackd #10: Woodchuck isn&#8217;t bad, actually. I&#8217;d take it over strongbow or woodpecker, which is damning with faint praise, but also over most other ciders I&#8217;ve had.</p>
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		<title>By: The Mighty Biff</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2007/03/27/beer-glorious-beer/comment-page-1/#comment-26422</link>
		<dc:creator>The Mighty Biff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Mar 2007 14:49:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Goodness me. Warm beer. You Southern Softy, Duncan ! I expect you like it flat too.

I was astonished to find Newcastle Brown on tap in San Francisco a few years ago. Very good it was too and the local Anchor Steam was excellent. Why do you chaps only export the rubbish ?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Goodness me. Warm beer. You Southern Softy, Duncan ! I expect you like it flat too.</p>
<p>I was astonished to find Newcastle Brown on tap in San Francisco a few years ago. Very good it was too and the local Anchor Steam was excellent. Why do you chaps only export the rubbish ?</p>
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		<title>By: Duncan</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2007/03/27/beer-glorious-beer/comment-page-1/#comment-26410</link>
		<dc:creator>Duncan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Mar 2007 11:55:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve thought about emigrating from the UK once or twice but the fact is, there is nowhere else on earth you can get a proper pint of Fullers beer on draft, served at room temperature.  My aunt moved to Ireland and even there she struggles with chilled &quot;extra smooth&quot; stuff :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve thought about emigrating from the UK once or twice but the fact is, there is nowhere else on earth you can get a proper pint of Fullers beer on draft, served at room temperature.  My aunt moved to Ireland and even there she struggles with chilled &#8220;extra smooth&#8221; stuff <img src='http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: tyler</title>
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		<dc:creator>tyler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Mar 2007 17:51:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When you move to Oregon you are required by statute to begin brewing beer within 1 month or you must move back to California.

Europe has excellent, in some cases masterful, traditional beers. American corporate beer is like having sex in a canoe: f*ing too close to water...

But the finest American craft beers are of a quality equal to or greater than at least those European beers which are imported to the US, and they are much more innovative. The craft beer rennaisance blossomed in Northern California and the Pacific Northwest and is now spreading across the country, with hotspots in the same semicountercultural regions that are also ahead of the curve in organic foods, etc - pretty much every funky college town has a craft brewery now. Here in Portland (oregon) it seems like there&#039;s a new one every week. Some are quite abysmally bad, most are decent to good - certainly better than any corporate beer - and the best are simply beyond description.

A big part of the reason is simply that we grow hops here, including organics, so it&#039;s very fresh...

Rogue brand, led by famous innovator John Maier, is somewhat widely distributed, and is well known for its unique and sometimes very complex flavors. If you get a batch brewed by Maier these are perhaps the finest commercially available, bottled beers in the world, if you like nonstandard beers that is...but even a generic batch of Rogue is excellent. I favor Dead Guy Ale. If you want a speaker for your Science of Beer thing, get Maier to come. The guy&#039;s a freakin&#039; genius.

I think Fat Tire is very overrated, but a lot of ppl like it...

Sierra Nevada is a large-production craft brewer whose product has remained consistent. Same for Anchor Steam.

But of course if you want the best you have to come to Oregon and tour the pubs. The best stuff is always made in small batches and rarely publicized. A good time to come would be in July - it&#039;s lovely here then, and there&#039;s the Brewer&#039;s Festival...http://www.oregonbrewfest.com/

BTW we also have the best coffee on the planet. Bite my used grounds, Seattle! Stumptown Roasters has started a new revolution in micro-roasting and ultra-fair-trade single-origin coffees that make existing &quot;gourmet&quot; coffees taste like Folger&#039;s. You&#039;ll need the coffee, too, after spending a night or two sampling the beers.

Oregon: home of the finest biochemistry-altering agricultural products on Earth. *ahem*</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When you move to Oregon you are required by statute to begin brewing beer within 1 month or you must move back to California.</p>
<p>Europe has excellent, in some cases masterful, traditional beers. American corporate beer is like having sex in a canoe: f*ing too close to water&#8230;</p>
<p>But the finest American craft beers are of a quality equal to or greater than at least those European beers which are imported to the US, and they are much more innovative. The craft beer rennaisance blossomed in Northern California and the Pacific Northwest and is now spreading across the country, with hotspots in the same semicountercultural regions that are also ahead of the curve in organic foods, etc &#8211; pretty much every funky college town has a craft brewery now. Here in Portland (oregon) it seems like there&#8217;s a new one every week. Some are quite abysmally bad, most are decent to good &#8211; certainly better than any corporate beer &#8211; and the best are simply beyond description.</p>
<p>A big part of the reason is simply that we grow hops here, including organics, so it&#8217;s very fresh&#8230;</p>
<p>Rogue brand, led by famous innovator John Maier, is somewhat widely distributed, and is well known for its unique and sometimes very complex flavors. If you get a batch brewed by Maier these are perhaps the finest commercially available, bottled beers in the world, if you like nonstandard beers that is&#8230;but even a generic batch of Rogue is excellent. I favor Dead Guy Ale. If you want a speaker for your Science of Beer thing, get Maier to come. The guy&#8217;s a freakin&#8217; genius.</p>
<p>I think Fat Tire is very overrated, but a lot of ppl like it&#8230;</p>
<p>Sierra Nevada is a large-production craft brewer whose product has remained consistent. Same for Anchor Steam.</p>
<p>But of course if you want the best you have to come to Oregon and tour the pubs. The best stuff is always made in small batches and rarely publicized. A good time to come would be in July &#8211; it&#8217;s lovely here then, and there&#8217;s the Brewer&#8217;s Festival&#8230;http://www.oregonbrewfest.com/</p>
<p>BTW we also have the best coffee on the planet. Bite my used grounds, Seattle! Stumptown Roasters has started a new revolution in micro-roasting and ultra-fair-trade single-origin coffees that make existing &#8220;gourmet&#8221; coffees taste like Folger&#8217;s. You&#8217;ll need the coffee, too, after spending a night or two sampling the beers.</p>
<p>Oregon: home of the finest biochemistry-altering agricultural products on Earth. *ahem*</p>
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		<title>By: Lord</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lord</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Mar 2007 17:47:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Anchor Steam is a wonderful find.</description>
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		<title>By: jackd</title>
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		<dc:creator>jackd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Mar 2007 15:25:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Arun, the hard cider industry isn&#039;t dead, just kinda weak. But you probably already knew that, I&#039;m offering this for The Lurkers.

At my local bottle shop I can obtain four or five different brands and several varieties, plus some flavored stuff and a couple of pear ciders (&lt;i&gt;perry&lt;/i&gt; to the cognoscenti).

Common brands around here: Cider Jack, K, Hard Core, Woodpecker, Hornsby&#039;s, and my favorite, Woodchuck.  Some places carry Strongbows.  I recommend avoiding the &#039;regular&#039; version of Hornsby&#039;s.  Tastes like apple-flavored Jolly Rancher candy.

I&#039;ve kept my eyes open for real artisanal ciders, but none of them seem to be distributed here in Georgia (USA), alas!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Arun, the hard cider industry isn&#8217;t dead, just kinda weak. But you probably already knew that, I&#8217;m offering this for The Lurkers.</p>
<p>At my local bottle shop I can obtain four or five different brands and several varieties, plus some flavored stuff and a couple of pear ciders (<i>perry</i> to the cognoscenti).</p>
<p>Common brands around here: Cider Jack, K, Hard Core, Woodpecker, Hornsby&#8217;s, and my favorite, Woodchuck.  Some places carry Strongbows.  I recommend avoiding the &#8216;regular&#8217; version of Hornsby&#8217;s.  Tastes like apple-flavored Jolly Rancher candy.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve kept my eyes open for real artisanal ciders, but none of them seem to be distributed here in Georgia (USA), alas!</p>
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		<title>By: Binh</title>
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		<dc:creator>Binh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Mar 2007 14:46:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Corporate America&#039;s beer is terrible. However a lot of Europeans seem to like it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Corporate America&#8217;s beer is terrible. However a lot of Europeans seem to like it.</p>
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		<title>By: adam</title>
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		<dc:creator>adam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Mar 2007 13:54:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My biggest concern is that I can&#039;t buy Fuller&#039;s ESB around here anymore (some change of distributors, I am told). Godamnit.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My biggest concern is that I can&#8217;t buy Fuller&#8217;s ESB around here anymore (some change of distributors, I am told). Godamnit.</p>
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		<title>By: mclaren</title>
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		<dc:creator>mclaren</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Mar 2007 10:31:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Of course, some of us judge alcoholic beverages to taste like raw sewage regardless of their putative vintage or brewing methods.  By comparison with the true elixir of the gods -- cherry cider, or a good stout home-made ginger ale.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Of course, some of us judge alcoholic beverages to taste like raw sewage regardless of their putative vintage or brewing methods.  By comparison with the true elixir of the gods &#8212; cherry cider, or a good stout home-made ginger ale.</p>
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		<title>By: rod.</title>
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		<dc:creator>rod.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Mar 2007 07:20:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have to agree with Josh: mainstreamish American beers taste like horse piss...

The good ones can be found in Europe, namely in Denmark, Belgium and Czech Republic.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have to agree with Josh: mainstreamish American beers taste like horse piss&#8230;</p>
<p>The good ones can be found in Europe, namely in Denmark, Belgium and Czech Republic.</p>
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