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		<title>By: AndersM</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2007/04/16/the-pain-platform/comment-page-1/#comment-27518</link>
		<dc:creator>AndersM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Apr 2007 10:29:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In Norway we&#039;ve had simplified tax returns for several years now - it&#039;s come to the point where you can file your tax forms with a short SMS message, and basically say &quot;Yes, you got the right numbers.&quot;

A more common way to file the taxes is the internet-based portal &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.altinn.no/cms/1044/altinn/Mer+om+Altinn/Altinn+in+English.htm&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;altinn.no&lt;/a&gt; , which&#039;ll also give you an updated calculation of how much you owe (or the state owes you) when you deliver the forms. Works pretty well, actually. =)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In Norway we&#8217;ve had simplified tax returns for several years now &#8211; it&#8217;s come to the point where you can file your tax forms with a short SMS message, and basically say &#8220;Yes, you got the right numbers.&#8221;</p>
<p>A more common way to file the taxes is the internet-based portal <a href="https://www.altinn.no/cms/1044/altinn/Mer+om+Altinn/Altinn+in+English.htm" rel="nofollow">altinn.no</a> , which&#8217;ll also give you an updated calculation of how much you owe (or the state owes you) when you deliver the forms. Works pretty well, actually. =)</p>
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		<title>By: Sourav</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2007/04/16/the-pain-platform/comment-page-1/#comment-27527</link>
		<dc:creator>Sourav</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Apr 2007 01:19:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I like the inverse of this idea:

Conduct national polls via tax forms.  You can bubble in for candidates listed on a given years 1040.  Then voters will &lt;em&gt;really&lt;/em&gt; feel the pain.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I like the inverse of this idea:</p>
<p>Conduct national polls via tax forms.  You can bubble in for candidates listed on a given years 1040.  Then voters will <em>really</em> feel the pain.</p>
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		<title>By: Doug</title>
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		<dc:creator>Doug</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Apr 2007 15:09:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wonder if Edwards realized that 40% of America&#039;s households payed ZERO income tax this year?

http://users1.wsj.com/lmda/do/checkLogin?mg=evo-wsj&amp;url=http%3A%2F%2Fonline.wsj.com%2Farticle%2FSB117668220910270761.html%3Fmod%3Dopinion_main_commentaries</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wonder if Edwards realized that 40% of America&#8217;s households payed ZERO income tax this year?</p>
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		<title>By: CaptainBooshi</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2007/04/16/the-pain-platform/comment-page-1/#comment-27534</link>
		<dc:creator>CaptainBooshi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Apr 2007 14:55:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just thought I would mention that this has actually been tested before, in California, once a few years ago.  It was a very limited test, only for single people in their 20&#039;s, I think, not too clear on the details.

The one thing I do remember is that when they asked the people who received the new form what they thought, it was among the highest-rated ideas the state had ever tried out. They were going to make it a more permanent fixture, IIRC, but all the tax-preparation companies complained and said that this was no different than the government doing their job for them, and the lawmakers folded right away.

So, even if this does enter national political discourse, expect those same companies to invest a whole lot more in lobbying and campaign-funding, and a whole lot of Congressmembers to suddenly develop strong opinions against it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just thought I would mention that this has actually been tested before, in California, once a few years ago.  It was a very limited test, only for single people in their 20&#8217;s, I think, not too clear on the details.</p>
<p>The one thing I do remember is that when they asked the people who received the new form what they thought, it was among the highest-rated ideas the state had ever tried out. They were going to make it a more permanent fixture, IIRC, but all the tax-preparation companies complained and said that this was no different than the government doing their job for them, and the lawmakers folded right away.</p>
<p>So, even if this does enter national political discourse, expect those same companies to invest a whole lot more in lobbying and campaign-funding, and a whole lot of Congressmembers to suddenly develop strong opinions against it.</p>
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		<title>By: sam</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2007/04/16/the-pain-platform/comment-page-1/#comment-27516</link>
		<dc:creator>sam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Apr 2007 01:12:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ed Minchau (#3) is entirely correct.

Also, is anyone else concerned with the issue this raises Ã¡ la identity theft? It seems to me that this creates way too many opportunities for this information to get somewhere it shouldn&#039;t be.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ed Minchau (#3) is entirely correct.</p>
<p>Also, is anyone else concerned with the issue this raises Ã¡ la identity theft? It seems to me that this creates way too many opportunities for this information to get somewhere it shouldn&#8217;t be.</p>
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		<title>By: Neil B.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Neil B.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Apr 2007 00:49:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>First: spyder - a very insightful post!

Second, speaking of &quot;taxes&quot; and &quot;pain&quot;:

The worst school *killings* were committed by a guy protesting *taxes* back in 1927, and he used bombs and not guns. More importantly, *he blew himself up*! He was one of our first &quot;suicide bombers&quot;! This is something to throw at arrogant righties complaining about Cho&#039;s gripes against rich kids, or that if everyone there had a gun they could have stopped him (our local ex-marine talk show host at WNIS 790 pointed out that many could die in a cross fire from untrained kids at that time, and in fights before such a tragedy), or Cho&#039;s having an Islamic-themed &quot;Ismael Axe&quot; tattoo on his arm, etc, although I don&#039;t think the general public should give up basic gun rights:

http://freepages.history.rootsweb.com/~bauerle/disaster.htm

On May 18, 1927, 45 people, mostly children, were killed and 58 were injured when disgruntled and demented school board member Andrew Kehoe dynamited the new school building in Bath, Michigan out of revenge over his foreclosed farm due in part to the taxes required to pay for the new school.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bath_School_disaster

The Bath School disaster is the name given to not one but three bombings in Bath Township, Michigan, USA, on May 18, 1927, which killed 45 people and injured 58. Most of the victims were children in second to sixth grades attending the Bath Consolidated School. Their deaths constitute the deadliest act of mass murder in a school in U.S. history. The perpetrator was school board member Andrew Kehoe, who was upset by a property tax that had been levied to fund the construction of the school building. He blamed the additional tax for financial hardships which led to foreclosure proceedings against his farm. These events apparently provoked Kehoe to plan his attack.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>First: spyder &#8211; a very insightful post!</p>
<p>Second, speaking of &#8220;taxes&#8221; and &#8220;pain&#8221;:</p>
<p>The worst school *killings* were committed by a guy protesting *taxes* back in 1927, and he used bombs and not guns. More importantly, *he blew himself up*! He was one of our first &#8220;suicide bombers&#8221;! This is something to throw at arrogant righties complaining about Cho&#8217;s gripes against rich kids, or that if everyone there had a gun they could have stopped him (our local ex-marine talk show host at WNIS 790 pointed out that many could die in a cross fire from untrained kids at that time, and in fights before such a tragedy), or Cho&#8217;s having an Islamic-themed &#8220;Ismael Axe&#8221; tattoo on his arm, etc, although I don&#8217;t think the general public should give up basic gun rights:</p>
<p><a href="http://freepages.history.rootsweb.com/~bauerle/disaster.htm" rel="nofollow">http://freepages.history.rootsweb.com/~bauerle/disaster.htm</a></p>
<p>On May 18, 1927, 45 people, mostly children, were killed and 58 were injured when disgruntled and demented school board member Andrew Kehoe dynamited the new school building in Bath, Michigan out of revenge over his foreclosed farm due in part to the taxes required to pay for the new school.</p>
<p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bath_School_disaster" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bath_School_disaster</a></p>
<p>The Bath School disaster is the name given to not one but three bombings in Bath Township, Michigan, USA, on May 18, 1927, which killed 45 people and injured 58. Most of the victims were children in second to sixth grades attending the Bath Consolidated School. Their deaths constitute the deadliest act of mass murder in a school in U.S. history. The perpetrator was school board member Andrew Kehoe, who was upset by a property tax that had been levied to fund the construction of the school building. He blamed the additional tax for financial hardships which led to foreclosure proceedings against his farm. These events apparently provoked Kehoe to plan his attack.<br />
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		<title>By: spyder</title>
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		<dc:creator>spyder</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Apr 2007 20:36:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The only difference between your governments spending a portion of your earnings, and you spending them, is that they simply go to different corporations.  Governments tend to buy fleets of Fords (particularly for law enforcements) and trucks from GM (particularly for road work and fire departments).  Paper is purchased under enormous contracts as are all other stationary supplies; millions of citizens make similar choices because the corporations that get the fat juicy government contracts can provide their retail customers steep discounts (think cpu prices).  And so on and so forth.  Essentially the only legitimate complaint that a taxpayer has regarding her/his lack of garnering a bigger share of the tax cut (and please please do not suggest that this is something deserved by those whose sole incomes are generated by tax revenues), regards who decides what CEO&#039;s inflated salary gets a boost.

Ultimately not one dollar, not one tenth of a dime, goes unspent along its path back into the corporate largesse, and in most cases these are becoming non-US based companies (Stanley tools is now a Caribbean enterprise for gawd sakes).  So complain all you want, but it really comes down to which companies get the money first.  It is always sad when i read about people who complain that there are too many people receiving too much money from governments, because eventually all that money goes right back to the same happy greedy corporate enterprises. The complainers are merely expressing their own selfish jealousies.  Every dollar you spend goes into the system (extracting most of the real value and returning promised bets against a future that no one can nor will pay off), every dollar you save goes them, every dollar you assume you have invested in real estate or hedgefunds is theirs to do with as they see fit (how many subprimes are going under??).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The only difference between your governments spending a portion of your earnings, and you spending them, is that they simply go to different corporations.  Governments tend to buy fleets of Fords (particularly for law enforcements) and trucks from GM (particularly for road work and fire departments).  Paper is purchased under enormous contracts as are all other stationary supplies; millions of citizens make similar choices because the corporations that get the fat juicy government contracts can provide their retail customers steep discounts (think cpu prices).  And so on and so forth.  Essentially the only legitimate complaint that a taxpayer has regarding her/his lack of garnering a bigger share of the tax cut (and please please do not suggest that this is something deserved by those whose sole incomes are generated by tax revenues), regards who decides what CEO&#8217;s inflated salary gets a boost.</p>
<p>Ultimately not one dollar, not one tenth of a dime, goes unspent along its path back into the corporate largesse, and in most cases these are becoming non-US based companies (Stanley tools is now a Caribbean enterprise for gawd sakes).  So complain all you want, but it really comes down to which companies get the money first.  It is always sad when i read about people who complain that there are too many people receiving too much money from governments, because eventually all that money goes right back to the same happy greedy corporate enterprises. The complainers are merely expressing their own selfish jealousies.  Every dollar you spend goes into the system (extracting most of the real value and returning promised bets against a future that no one can nor will pay off), every dollar you save goes them, every dollar you assume you have invested in real estate or hedgefunds is theirs to do with as they see fit (how many subprimes are going under??).</p>
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		<title>By: Garrett</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2007/04/16/the-pain-platform/comment-page-1/#comment-27532</link>
		<dc:creator>Garrett</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Apr 2007 19:34:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Whatever the opinions, I have to love a blog that tackles religion, politics, and string theory. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Whatever the opinions, I have to love a blog that tackles religion, politics, and string theory. <img src='http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Garrett</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2007/04/16/the-pain-platform/comment-page-1/#comment-27511</link>
		<dc:creator>Garrett</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Apr 2007 19:08:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oops, I thought something was off. That graph and budget total leaves out non-discretionary spending like social security, medicare, and unemployment. Here&#039;s a graph with those included:

&lt;a href=&quot;http://thebudgetgraph.com/forums/index.php?topic=6.0&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://thebudgetgraph.com/forums/index.php?topic=6.0&lt;/a&gt;

These apparently bring the total to $2.8T = $2,800B, and the percentage of Andy&#039;s taxes spent on stuff he likes to 4%.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oops, I thought something was off. That graph and budget total leaves out non-discretionary spending like social security, medicare, and unemployment. Here&#8217;s a graph with those included:</p>
<p><a href="http://thebudgetgraph.com/forums/index.php?topic=6.0" rel="nofollow">http://thebudgetgraph.com/forums/index.php?topic=6.0</a></p>
<p>These apparently bring the total to $2.8T = $2,800B, and the percentage of Andy&#8217;s taxes spent on stuff he likes to 4%.</p>
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		<title>By: Garrett</title>
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		<dc:creator>Garrett</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Apr 2007 18:45:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m going to keep going with the &quot;taxes are evil&quot; rant, because it&#039;s so much fun.

Here&#039;s a great place to see where the money goes:

&lt;a href=&quot;http://thebudgetgraph.com/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://thebudgetgraph.com/&lt;/a&gt;

So, Andy, the things you like:

Department of Education = $54B
Federal Highway Administration = $42B
NIH = $28B

Out of a total budget of... $983B

So about 12% of your taxes are going towards things you like.

But this is misleading. Most of the money that goes into the DoEd, FHA, and NIH goes towards restricting these areas, not producing in them. Do you think education, roads, and health advances wouldn&#039;t happen were it not for these government agencies? Ha!

America is a nice place to live because Americans are a great, fantastically inventive, entrepreneurial, and productive bunch, living in an area rich in resources. The government mostly just slows us down.

Sure it would be more convenient for the IRS to fill out people&#039;s tax forms for them. Heck, why not maximize the convenience by having them slurp the money out of our checking accounts -- that way we wouldn&#039;t even need to be bothered with writing a check.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m going to keep going with the &#8220;taxes are evil&#8221; rant, because it&#8217;s so much fun.</p>
<p>Here&#8217;s a great place to see where the money goes:</p>
<p><a href="http://thebudgetgraph.com/" rel="nofollow">http://thebudgetgraph.com/</a></p>
<p>So, Andy, the things you like:</p>
<p>Department of Education = $54B<br />
Federal Highway Administration = $42B<br />
NIH = $28B</p>
<p>Out of a total budget of&#8230; $983B</p>
<p>So about 12% of your taxes are going towards things you like.</p>
<p>But this is misleading. Most of the money that goes into the DoEd, FHA, and NIH goes towards restricting these areas, not producing in them. Do you think education, roads, and health advances wouldn&#8217;t happen were it not for these government agencies? Ha!</p>
<p>America is a nice place to live because Americans are a great, fantastically inventive, entrepreneurial, and productive bunch, living in an area rich in resources. The government mostly just slows us down.</p>
<p>Sure it would be more convenient for the IRS to fill out people&#8217;s tax forms for them. Heck, why not maximize the convenience by having them slurp the money out of our checking accounts &#8212; that way we wouldn&#8217;t even need to be bothered with writing a check.</p>
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