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		<title>By: æ¡‘æž&#8212;å¿&#8212; &#187; ç§‘æŠ€å†™ä½œçš„ä¸€äº›æ½œè§„åˆ™</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 25 May 2007 20:29:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: PK</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2007/05/22/we-know-the-answer/comment-page-1/#comment-28773</link>
		<dc:creator>PK</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 May 2007 08:08:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think it is perfectly fine to use the passive voice when the acting agent is irrelevant to the point you try to make. For example, it is much better to say &quot;The samples were cleaned with chloroform&quot; than &quot;Joe Blogs cleaned the samples with chloroform&quot;. Who cares whether it was Blogs or Smith?

I also think that the passive voice often acts as glue that keeps a piece of writing together. Instead of all active sentences each demanding the attention of the reader, passive sentences are resting points. But of course you do not want a text completely composed of resting points.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think it is perfectly fine to use the passive voice when the acting agent is irrelevant to the point you try to make. For example, it is much better to say &#8220;The samples were cleaned with chloroform&#8221; than &#8220;Joe Blogs cleaned the samples with chloroform&#8221;. Who cares whether it was Blogs or Smith?</p>
<p>I also think that the passive voice often acts as glue that keeps a piece of writing together. Instead of all active sentences each demanding the attention of the reader, passive sentences are resting points. But of course you do not want a text completely composed of resting points.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael D</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2007/05/22/we-know-the-answer/comment-page-1/#comment-28771</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael D</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 May 2007 04:16:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And to Peter&#039;s posts from Language Log, here&#039;s another example of where the demand for use of active voice, doesn&#039;t work out all that well.

http://itre.cis.upenn.edu/~myl/languagelog/archives/004456.html

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And to Peter&#8217;s posts from Language Log, here&#8217;s another example of where the demand for use of active voice, doesn&#8217;t work out all that well.</p>
<p><a href="http://itre.cis.upenn.edu/~myl/languagelog/archives/004456.html" rel="nofollow">http://itre.cis.upenn.edu/~myl/languagelog/archives/004456.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: adam</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2007/05/22/we-know-the-answer/comment-page-1/#comment-28802</link>
		<dc:creator>adam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 May 2007 01:00:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t think that most referee are looking for a reason to refuse a piece, Haelfix. It seems to me to be more likely that they either have an opinion as to the correct style, or possibly are looking at journal guidelines (if such are available).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t think that most referee are looking for a reason to refuse a piece, Haelfix. It seems to me to be more likely that they either have an opinion as to the correct style, or possibly are looking at journal guidelines (if such are available).</p>
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		<title>By: Haelfix</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2007/05/22/we-know-the-answer/comment-page-1/#comment-28779</link>
		<dc:creator>Haelfix</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 May 2007 23:37:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In my experience, if a referree returns a paper admonishing this sort of thing, it usually means he hates the paper but can&#039;t find sufficient reasons to reject it.  In other words, hes just being snooty.  In practise this just means conforming so that they aren&#039;t given that chance.

I&#039;ve never understood why the &#039;royal we&#039; (which is what it sounds like most of the time) has to be used in science writing, it strikes me as archaic and a  tradition that confuses things rather than elucidates them.

In fact, i&#039;d love to see more papers where there is explicit disagreement between co authors.  (eg Witten things that this 2 form has to be closed, but Vafa disagrees).  &#039;We&#039; tend to learn more from disagreement in Science than pure consensus, even if its regarding unimportant technical details.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In my experience, if a referree returns a paper admonishing this sort of thing, it usually means he hates the paper but can&#8217;t find sufficient reasons to reject it.  In other words, hes just being snooty.  In practise this just means conforming so that they aren&#8217;t given that chance.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve never understood why the &#8216;royal we&#8217; (which is what it sounds like most of the time) has to be used in science writing, it strikes me as archaic and a  tradition that confuses things rather than elucidates them.</p>
<p>In fact, i&#8217;d love to see more papers where there is explicit disagreement between co authors.  (eg Witten things that this 2 form has to be closed, but Vafa disagrees).  &#8216;We&#8217; tend to learn more from disagreement in Science than pure consensus, even if its regarding unimportant technical details.</p>
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		<title>By: Count Iblis</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2007/05/22/we-know-the-answer/comment-page-1/#comment-28781</link>
		<dc:creator>Count Iblis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 May 2007 23:31:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A referee of a single authored paper I wrote some time ago actually consistently referred to me as &quot;the authors&quot; in the report  :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A referee of a single authored paper I wrote some time ago actually consistently referred to me as &#8220;the authors&#8221; in the report  <img src='http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Arun</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2007/05/22/we-know-the-answer/comment-page-1/#comment-28780</link>
		<dc:creator>Arun</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 May 2007 23:27:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Mistakes were made.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Mistakes were made.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: adam</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2007/05/22/we-know-the-answer/comment-page-1/#comment-28809</link>
		<dc:creator>adam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 May 2007 20:35:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>PK #43: It&#039;s just a personal thing, I guess. I don&#039;t mind the pedagogical &#039;we&#039; and I imagine that my preferences probably have no logical basis.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>PK #43: It&#8217;s just a personal thing, I guess. I don&#8217;t mind the pedagogical &#8216;we&#8217; and I imagine that my preferences probably have no logical basis.</p>
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		<title>By: Peter Erwin</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2007/05/22/we-know-the-answer/comment-page-1/#comment-28783</link>
		<dc:creator>Peter Erwin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 May 2007 18:39:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jason @ 41: I suspect we&#039;re talking about slightly different things. If you could actually &lt;i&gt;remove&lt;/i&gt; the I-containing sentences you refer to without damaging the content or the clarity, then they were arguably superfluous and deserved to be removed.  (Maybe the resulting text is shorter but less entertaining now; maybe it&#039;s more concise and readable.) The fact that they used the first person is irrelevant, unless there was something about your particular writing style that made irrelevant sentences more likely to be first-person...

The issue that Chad and Sean are referring to is not removing first-person sentences -- at least not if they contain important information -- but the idea that they must be rewritten so that &quot;I&quot; (or &quot;we&quot; even if it&#039;s a multi-author paper) never appears.  For example, &lt;a href=&quot;http://asa.aip.org/honolulu/honolulu.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;this set of instructions&lt;/a&gt; on preparing abstracts for meetings of the Acoustical Society of America contains the following advice:

&lt;blockquote&gt;Use passives instead of pronouns &quot;I&quot; and &quot;we,&quot; e.g., &quot;It was noted&quot; instead of &quot;We noted.&quot;&lt;/blockquote&gt;

which in this case makes things slightly wordier, the opposite of what you want for an abstract...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jason @ 41: I suspect we&#8217;re talking about slightly different things. If you could actually <i>remove</i> the I-containing sentences you refer to without damaging the content or the clarity, then they were arguably superfluous and deserved to be removed.  (Maybe the resulting text is shorter but less entertaining now; maybe it&#8217;s more concise and readable.) The fact that they used the first person is irrelevant, unless there was something about your particular writing style that made irrelevant sentences more likely to be first-person&#8230;</p>
<p>The issue that Chad and Sean are referring to is not removing first-person sentences &#8212; at least not if they contain important information &#8212; but the idea that they must be rewritten so that &#8220;I&#8221; (or &#8220;we&#8221; even if it&#8217;s a multi-author paper) never appears.  For example, <a href="http://asa.aip.org/honolulu/honolulu.html" rel="nofollow">this set of instructions</a> on preparing abstracts for meetings of the Acoustical Society of America contains the following advice:</p>
<blockquote><p>Use passives instead of pronouns &#8220;I&#8221; and &#8220;we,&#8221; e.g., &#8220;It was noted&#8221; instead of &#8220;We noted.&#8221;</p></blockquote>
<p>which in this case makes things slightly wordier, the opposite of what you want for an abstract&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: PK</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2007/05/22/we-know-the-answer/comment-page-1/#comment-28811</link>
		<dc:creator>PK</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 May 2007 18:13:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>why, adam?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>why, adam?</p>
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		<title>By: adam</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2007/05/22/we-know-the-answer/comment-page-1/#comment-28768</link>
		<dc:creator>adam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 May 2007 15:43:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Personally, I very much dislike the use of &#039;I&#039; in papers. I do appear to be in a minority, however, at least here.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Personally, I very much dislike the use of &#8216;I&#8217; in papers. I do appear to be in a minority, however, at least here.</p>
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		<title>By: Jason</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2007/05/22/we-know-the-answer/comment-page-1/#comment-28769</link>
		<dc:creator>Jason</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 May 2007 11:55:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bioephemera -- In my writing I rarely need to distinguish between an established definition and a new definition.  If I do need to point out a definition is established (for instance because I am redefining it), I do so with a citation.

Peter -- Of course I believe in using the first person when it is appropriate.  For instance it is appropriate in an introduction or conclusion when explaining motivation, history of the problem, etc.  But at least in my field, in the body of the article (i.e., when presenting new results), it is almost never appropriate.  Authors often believe it is appropriate -- I was one of these for many years.  But then, at the urging of an older colleague, I played the game of removing all sentences with &quot;I&quot; or &quot;we&quot; from the body of one of my preprints.  It didn&#039;t change the true content of the article, and it made the article significantly shorter.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bioephemera &#8212; In my writing I rarely need to distinguish between an established definition and a new definition.  If I do need to point out a definition is established (for instance because I am redefining it), I do so with a citation.</p>
<p>Peter &#8212; Of course I believe in using the first person when it is appropriate.  For instance it is appropriate in an introduction or conclusion when explaining motivation, history of the problem, etc.  But at least in my field, in the body of the article (i.e., when presenting new results), it is almost never appropriate.  Authors often believe it is appropriate &#8212; I was one of these for many years.  But then, at the urging of an older colleague, I played the game of removing all sentences with &#8220;I&#8221; or &#8220;we&#8221; from the body of one of my preprints.  It didn&#8217;t change the true content of the article, and it made the article significantly shorter.</p>
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		<title>By: Scientific writing: Too impersonal? &#124; Compactified Realisations</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2007/05/22/we-know-the-answer/comment-page-1/#comment-28770</link>
		<dc:creator>Scientific writing: Too impersonal? &#124; Compactified Realisations</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 May 2007 11:23:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] using &#8220;I&#8221; or &#8220;we&#8221; as appropriate. Sean Carroll talks more about the origins of these &#8220;myths&#8221; at length, suggesting that Bacon intentionally tried to depersonalize scientific writing in order [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] using &#8220;I&#8221; or &#8220;we&#8221; as appropriate. Sean Carroll talks more about the origins of these &#8220;myths&#8221; at length, suggesting that Bacon intentionally tried to depersonalize scientific writing in order [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Peter Erwin</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2007/05/22/we-know-the-answer/comment-page-1/#comment-28772</link>
		<dc:creator>Peter Erwin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 May 2007 09:51:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Before we go overboard on dissing the passive voice, and on praising Orwell&#039;s writing advice, it&#039;s worth taking a look at &lt;a href=&quot;http://itre.cis.upenn.edu/%7Emyl/languagelog/archives/003366.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;this post on the subject&lt;/a&gt; from Geoff Pullum, summarizing some discussion among the linguists at Language Log.  Pullum notes a &quot;delicious passage&quot; in &lt;i&gt;Merriam-Webster&#039;s Dictionary of English Usage&lt;/i&gt; on the subject:
&lt;blockquote&gt;Bryant 1962 reports three statistical studies of passive versus active sentences in various periodicals; the highest incidence of passive constructions was 13 percent. Orwell runs to a little over 20 percent in &quot;Politics and the English Language.&quot;&lt;/blockquote&gt;

So Orwell seems to honor his own law more in the breach than in the observance.

&lt;a href=&quot;http://itre.cis.upenn.edu/~myl/languagelog/archives/003414.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;In a later post&lt;/a&gt;, Mark Liberman remarks that a quick analysis of E.B. White&#039;s writing indicates a passive-voice frequency of about 20%, and shows how Winston Churchill (&quot;a model of forceful eloquence&quot;) used an even higher frequency in a dramatic narrative about 19th Century colonial wars.

The passive voice isn&#039;t in itself good or bad, even if it &lt;i&gt;does&lt;/i&gt; get overused sometimes in scientific writing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Before we go overboard on dissing the passive voice, and on praising Orwell&#8217;s writing advice, it&#8217;s worth taking a look at <a href="http://itre.cis.upenn.edu/%7Emyl/languagelog/archives/003366.html" rel="nofollow">this post on the subject</a> from Geoff Pullum, summarizing some discussion among the linguists at Language Log.  Pullum notes a &#8220;delicious passage&#8221; in <i>Merriam-Webster&#8217;s Dictionary of English Usage</i> on the subject:</p>
<blockquote><p>Bryant 1962 reports three statistical studies of passive versus active sentences in various periodicals; the highest incidence of passive constructions was 13 percent. Orwell runs to a little over 20 percent in &#8220;Politics and the English Language.&#8221;</p></blockquote>
<p>So Orwell seems to honor his own law more in the breach than in the observance.</p>
<p><a href="http://itre.cis.upenn.edu/~myl/languagelog/archives/003414.html" rel="nofollow">In a later post</a>, Mark Liberman remarks that a quick analysis of E.B. White&#8217;s writing indicates a passive-voice frequency of about 20%, and shows how Winston Churchill (&#8220;a model of forceful eloquence&#8221;) used an even higher frequency in a dramatic narrative about 19th Century colonial wars.</p>
<p>The passive voice isn&#8217;t in itself good or bad, even if it <i>does</i> get overused sometimes in scientific writing.</p>
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		<title>By: Peter Erwin</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2007/05/22/we-know-the-answer/comment-page-1/#comment-28776</link>
		<dc:creator>Peter Erwin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 May 2007 09:08:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jason @ 26:
&lt;i&gt;The third person is usually simpler and shorter than the first person. For instance, when stating a definition, it is shorter to write &quot;A tensor is SYMMETRIC if ...&quot; than to write &quot;We will say that a tensor is SYMMETRIC if ...&quot; I was taught this is the reason to prefer the third person.&lt;/i&gt;

Of course that&#039;s shorter.  And that&#039;s a perfectly sensible way to write; no one (I think) is suggesting &quot;Third person bad, first person good!&quot;, or that all definitions, simple statements of fact, etc. must use the first person!

The problem arises when people (or the editors they deal with) think they need to elminate all trace of the first person from their writing, even when it&#039;s the more natural and appropriate choice.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jason @ 26:<br />
<i>The third person is usually simpler and shorter than the first person. For instance, when stating a definition, it is shorter to write &#8220;A tensor is SYMMETRIC if &#8230;&#8221; than to write &#8220;We will say that a tensor is SYMMETRIC if &#8230;&#8221; I was taught this is the reason to prefer the third person.</i></p>
<p>Of course that&#8217;s shorter.  And that&#8217;s a perfectly sensible way to write; no one (I think) is suggesting &#8220;Third person bad, first person good!&#8221;, or that all definitions, simple statements of fact, etc. must use the first person!</p>
<p>The problem arises when people (or the editors they deal with) think they need to elminate all trace of the first person from their writing, even when it&#8217;s the more natural and appropriate choice.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark Hudson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark Hudson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 May 2007 08:58:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Isn&#039;t there a &quot;myth&quot; (I have no idea if it is true or not, but I tend to assume that myths are not true) along the lines of [famous particle physicist] being told that he had to use &quot;we&quot; even though he was a paper&#039;s sole author. So he added his cat as co-author?

I may have got that slightly garbled...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Isn&#8217;t there a &#8220;myth&#8221; (I have no idea if it is true or not, but I tend to assume that myths are not true) along the lines of [famous particle physicist] being told that he had to use &#8220;we&#8221; even though he was a paper&#8217;s sole author. So he added his cat as co-author?</p>
<p>I may have got that slightly garbled&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Thomas Larsson</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2007/05/22/we-know-the-answer/comment-page-1/#comment-28778</link>
		<dc:creator>Thomas Larsson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 May 2007 07:58:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The answer is known to these bloggers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The answer is known to these bloggers.</p>
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		<title>By: Amara</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2007/05/22/we-know-the-answer/comment-page-1/#comment-28777</link>
		<dc:creator>Amara</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 May 2007 07:56:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>About Bacon&#039;s personification of Nature:
It doesn&#039;t get any better than D.H. Lawrence&#039;s &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.amara.com/volcanoes/volcanoes.html#tlawrence&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt; description of Mt. Etna&lt;/a&gt; in _Sea and Sardinia_ (1921):

&quot;With her strange winds prowling round her like Circe&#039;s panthers, some black, some white. With her strange, remote communications and her terrible dynamic exhalations. She makes men mad. Such terrible vibrations of wicket and beautiful electricity she throws about her, like a deadly net! Nay, sometimes, verily, one can feel a new current of her demon magnetism seize one&#039;s living tissue and change the peaceful life of one&#039;s active cells. She makes a storm in the living plasm and a new adjustment. And sometimes it is like a madness.

This timeless Grecian Etna, in her lower-heaven loveliness, so lovely, so lovely, what a torturer! Not many men can really stand her, without losing their souls. She is like Circe. Unless a man is very strong, she takes his soul away from him and leaves him not a beast, but an elemental creature, intelligent and soulless. Intelligent, almost inspired, and soulless, like the Etna Sicilians. Intelligent daimons and humanly, according to us, the most stupid people on earth. Ach, horror! How many men, how many races, has Etna put to flight! It was she who broke the quick of the Greek soul. And after the Greeks, she gave the Romans, the Normans, the Arabs, the Spaniards, the French, the Italians, even the English, she gave them all their inspired hour and broke their souls.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>About Bacon&#8217;s personification of Nature:<br />
It doesn&#8217;t get any better than D.H. Lawrence&#8217;s <a href="http://www.amara.com/volcanoes/volcanoes.html#tlawrence" rel="nofollow"> description of Mt. Etna</a> in _Sea and Sardinia_ (1921):</p>
<p>&#8220;With her strange winds prowling round her like Circe&#8217;s panthers, some black, some white. With her strange, remote communications and her terrible dynamic exhalations. She makes men mad. Such terrible vibrations of wicket and beautiful electricity she throws about her, like a deadly net! Nay, sometimes, verily, one can feel a new current of her demon magnetism seize one&#8217;s living tissue and change the peaceful life of one&#8217;s active cells. She makes a storm in the living plasm and a new adjustment. And sometimes it is like a madness.</p>
<p>This timeless Grecian Etna, in her lower-heaven loveliness, so lovely, so lovely, what a torturer! Not many men can really stand her, without losing their souls. She is like Circe. Unless a man is very strong, she takes his soul away from him and leaves him not a beast, but an elemental creature, intelligent and soulless. Intelligent, almost inspired, and soulless, like the Etna Sicilians. Intelligent daimons and humanly, according to us, the most stupid people on earth. Ach, horror! How many men, how many races, has Etna put to flight! It was she who broke the quick of the Greek soul. And after the Greeks, she gave the Romans, the Normans, the Arabs, the Spaniards, the French, the Italians, even the English, she gave them all their inspired hour and broke their souls.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: bioephemera</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2007/05/22/we-know-the-answer/comment-page-1/#comment-28782</link>
		<dc:creator>bioephemera</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 May 2007 07:47:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jason: in your tensor example, I think the two sentences suggest two different meanings. Stating the definition outright (&quot;a tensor is. . .&quot;) implies it&#039;s an established definition. But the latter (&quot;we will say that a tensor is. . .&quot;) implies to me that the definition is new, because you are calling attention to your action in creating it. If you don&#039;t mean to imply that the definition is new, then I agree the latter is unnecessarily wordy.

Anyway, it depends on your purpose and audience, but in my experience, statements like &quot;I will include these computer activities in my labs&quot; and &quot;Our students do not have access to modern equipment&quot; are more direct and reader-friendly than &quot;Participating faculty will include these computer activities in their labs&quot; or &quot;Students in the affected courses at University X do not have access to modern equipment.&quot; In a part of the country where &quot;intellectualese&quot; is distrusted, I try to be plain-spoken, especially when asking for money. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jason: in your tensor example, I think the two sentences suggest two different meanings. Stating the definition outright (&#8220;a tensor is. . .&#8221;) implies it&#8217;s an established definition. But the latter (&#8220;we will say that a tensor is. . .&#8221;) implies to me that the definition is new, because you are calling attention to your action in creating it. If you don&#8217;t mean to imply that the definition is new, then I agree the latter is unnecessarily wordy.</p>
<p>Anyway, it depends on your purpose and audience, but in my experience, statements like &#8220;I will include these computer activities in my labs&#8221; and &#8220;Our students do not have access to modern equipment&#8221; are more direct and reader-friendly than &#8220;Participating faculty will include these computer activities in their labs&#8221; or &#8220;Students in the affected courses at University X do not have access to modern equipment.&#8221; In a part of the country where &#8220;intellectualese&#8221; is distrusted, I try to be plain-spoken, especially when asking for money. <img src='http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Rien</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2007/05/22/we-know-the-answer/comment-page-1/#comment-28803</link>
		<dc:creator>Rien</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 May 2007 06:30:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Orwell&#039;s rule 3 is important too: &quot;If it is possible to cut a word out, always cut it out&quot;. Thus, &quot;clearly&quot; can clearly be removed from all scientific writing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Orwell&#8217;s rule 3 is important too: &#8220;If it is possible to cut a word out, always cut it out&#8221;. Thus, &#8220;clearly&#8221; can clearly be removed from all scientific writing.</p>
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