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	<title>Comments on: Fixing the Lottery</title>
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		<title>By: Sports Update: SLAC &#171; An American Physics Student in England</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2007/06/28/fixing-the-lottery/comment-page-1/#comment-29887</link>
		<dc:creator>Sports Update: SLAC &#171; An American Physics Student in England</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Oct 2007 12:56:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Carroll, also of CV, proposed an improvement to the NBA Lottery that wouldn&#8217;t reward bottom-dwelling teams with poor management (Sorry, [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Scott</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2007/06/28/fixing-the-lottery/comment-page-1/#comment-29871</link>
		<dc:creator>Scott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Jul 2007 08:02:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sean,

  Looks like you put a good deal of thought into the lottery, and I like the cut
of your jib.  But next time you&#039;re stuck in the airport for 8 hours, you should fix
NBA playoff system.  East vs. West?  It&#039;s a joke, whip up something like the
NCAA tournament for the pros.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sean,</p>
<p>  Looks like you put a good deal of thought into the lottery, and I like the cut<br />
of your jib.  But next time you&#8217;re stuck in the airport for 8 hours, you should fix<br />
NBA playoff system.  East vs. West?  It&#8217;s a joke, whip up something like the<br />
NCAA tournament for the pros.</p>
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		<title>By: todd.</title>
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		<dc:creator>todd.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Jul 2007 14:38:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;But the lottery with weighted chances must be there, in some form, or the system will get abused time and time again. &lt;/blockquote&gt;

That doesn&#039;t make any sense. There &lt;i&gt;is&lt;/i&gt; a weighted-chances system now, and it&#039;s still abused. So how does having such a system prevent abuse?

I like Sean&#039;s idea a lot.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>But the lottery with weighted chances must be there, in some form, or the system will get abused time and time again. </p></blockquote>
<p>That doesn&#8217;t make any sense. There <i>is</i> a weighted-chances system now, and it&#8217;s still abused. So how does having such a system prevent abuse?</p>
<p>I like Sean&#8217;s idea a lot.</p>
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		<title>By: Beej</title>
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		<dc:creator>Beej</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Jun 2007 18:25:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What if we keep the current format, wherein the teams that don’t make the playoffs get the lottery picks, then instead of giving the higher probability to those teams with the worst records, give them to the ones with the better records among those lottery teams. Wouldn’t that remove the incentive of tanking and ensure a frenetic fight for wins among all teams throughout the entire 82 game season?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What if we keep the current format, wherein the teams that don’t make the playoffs get the lottery picks, then instead of giving the higher probability to those teams with the worst records, give them to the ones with the better records among those lottery teams. Wouldn’t that remove the incentive of tanking and ensure a frenetic fight for wins among all teams throughout the entire 82 game season?</p>
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		<title>By: Santo D'Agostino</title>
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		<dc:creator>Santo D'Agostino</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Jun 2007 01:23:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sean,

Your idea has tremendous upside potential.

All the best,
Santo</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sean,</p>
<p>Your idea has tremendous upside potential.</p>
<p>All the best,<br />
Santo</p>
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		<title>By: Alex R</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alex R</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Jun 2007 18:21:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Disclaimer: I haven’t really watched any basketball at all in the last decade or two...

That said, the problem with the NBA draft, as you describe it, is that you are trying to simultaneously achieve two inconsistent goals: encouraging teams to win as many games as possible, and giving the worst teams (those that lose the most games) the best opportunities to improve. You can’t do these both at once. Even with two year records, there will still be an ordering late in the season that teams will be aware of, and trying to

That said, here’s another, possibly better proposal: what you really don’t want is teams intentionally tanking late in the season, when playoff slots are on the line. The solution to this is simple: Don’t count the games late in the season when deciding who gets the high draft picks &#8212; only consider the first half, or maybe two-thirds, of the season. (You could do this with two seasons in a row, perhaps.) Earlier in the season, even the bad teams will still have a chance to make the playoffs, so they should be less likely to tank games intentionally. You could theoretically imagine that some teams might be thinking &quot;let’s tank now for the draft, then try to make it up later&quot;, but at least everyone will by trying to win all their games when their in the home stretch....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Disclaimer: I haven’t really watched any basketball at all in the last decade or two&#8230;</p>
<p>That said, the problem with the NBA draft, as you describe it, is that you are trying to simultaneously achieve two inconsistent goals: encouraging teams to win as many games as possible, and giving the worst teams (those that lose the most games) the best opportunities to improve. You can’t do these both at once. Even with two year records, there will still be an ordering late in the season that teams will be aware of, and trying to</p>
<p>That said, here’s another, possibly better proposal: what you really don’t want is teams intentionally tanking late in the season, when playoff slots are on the line. The solution to this is simple: Don’t count the games late in the season when deciding who gets the high draft picks &mdash; only consider the first half, or maybe two-thirds, of the season. (You could do this with two seasons in a row, perhaps.) Earlier in the season, even the bad teams will still have a chance to make the playoffs, so they should be less likely to tank games intentionally. You could theoretically imagine that some teams might be thinking &#8220;let’s tank now for the draft, then try to make it up later&#8221;, but at least everyone will by trying to win all their games when their in the home stretch&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Tyler</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tyler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Jun 2007 16:21:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It seems that this idea is made superfluous by the facts on the ground. The team with the #1 pick this year, the most desirable draft prize in many years, is a team that absolutely played its undermanned rear off the whole year, a deserving team, long troubled but clearly turning things around over the past season. And the #2 pick goes to a truly woeful franchise that needs all the help it can get; same with the #3 pick, though no amount of bailing is going to keep that death ship afloat.

Your main concrete, non-abstract objection seems to hinge on the Spurs, which sounds suspiciously like sour grapes. They are hardly the first team to add a second star when they already had one - look at the Lakers a few years ago, for example.

What have we seen since the end of the Jordan era? A large number of very high quality teams battling for dominance, with the Lakers and Spurs at the top but a lot of other entertaining teams rising and falling as well - Miami, Detroit, Dallas, Phoenix, etc. That sounds to me just like what the NBA should be.

Finally, I think we’re in a transitional phase. With the exception of Phoenix, all the teams that have been dominant for the last decade have fallen or will soon begin to - the Spurs may be able to hold it together for awhile, I suppose, historically it’s unlikely but they’re such a brilliant organization you can never say for sure. But there are a lot of great, very young teams ready to rise and compete.

I don’t see the problem. It’s not perfect, but teams will game any system, and the results are good overall. This year’s playoffs were interesting until the Finals - Spurs/Phoenix matchups should be hot for a few years to come - and the East is bound to bouce back before long with at least one decent team.

However, a non-regional, completely seeded playoffs would be great. I think that innovation would be a lot more valuable than monkeying with the draft, though neither one is gonna happen.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It seems that this idea is made superfluous by the facts on the ground. The team with the #1 pick this year, the most desirable draft prize in many years, is a team that absolutely played its undermanned rear off the whole year, a deserving team, long troubled but clearly turning things around over the past season. And the #2 pick goes to a truly woeful franchise that needs all the help it can get; same with the #3 pick, though no amount of bailing is going to keep that death ship afloat.</p>
<p>Your main concrete, non-abstract objection seems to hinge on the Spurs, which sounds suspiciously like sour grapes. They are hardly the first team to add a second star when they already had one &#8211; look at the Lakers a few years ago, for example.</p>
<p>What have we seen since the end of the Jordan era? A large number of very high quality teams battling for dominance, with the Lakers and Spurs at the top but a lot of other entertaining teams rising and falling as well &#8211; Miami, Detroit, Dallas, Phoenix, etc. That sounds to me just like what the NBA should be.</p>
<p>Finally, I think we’re in a transitional phase. With the exception of Phoenix, all the teams that have been dominant for the last decade have fallen or will soon begin to &#8211; the Spurs may be able to hold it together for awhile, I suppose, historically it’s unlikely but they’re such a brilliant organization you can never say for sure. But there are a lot of great, very young teams ready to rise and compete.</p>
<p>I don’t see the problem. It’s not perfect, but teams will game any system, and the results are good overall. This year’s playoffs were interesting until the Finals &#8211; Spurs/Phoenix matchups should be hot for a few years to come &#8211; and the East is bound to bouce back before long with at least one decent team.</p>
<p>However, a non-regional, completely seeded playoffs would be great. I think that innovation would be a lot more valuable than monkeying with the draft, though neither one is gonna happen.</p>
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		<title>By: Dennis</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dennis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Jun 2007 15:20:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think you’re being unfair to the current system. The designer of the mechanism is the NBA, and the NBA’s objective isn’t to ensure that teams don’t have the incentive to do bad things like throw games. The NBA’s objective is do something like &quot;maximize viewership&quot; or &quot;maximize revenue&quot; or something like that. There is likely no harm for a team like Boston to tank, because they have an established fan base(I don’t know this for a fact, but Boston is a big city) and won’t lose revenue much. So no reason to worry about that. Like most other leagues, the NBA wants to maintain parity, so that any team has a good change of beating any other team, and games will be close and exciting, and no one team is too good. Therefore, giving the best talent to the worst teams is a great idea. It makes it that much harder for good teams to stay good, and makes it easier for even incompetantly managed teams to win a few more games. It seems to me that the current system is doing pretty much exactly what the NBA needs. Granted, your system would do it too, but I can’t imagine the NBA would view it as worth the trouble of implementing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think you’re being unfair to the current system. The designer of the mechanism is the NBA, and the NBA’s objective isn’t to ensure that teams don’t have the incentive to do bad things like throw games. The NBA’s objective is do something like &#8220;maximize viewership&#8221; or &#8220;maximize revenue&#8221; or something like that. There is likely no harm for a team like Boston to tank, because they have an established fan base(I don’t know this for a fact, but Boston is a big city) and won’t lose revenue much. So no reason to worry about that. Like most other leagues, the NBA wants to maintain parity, so that any team has a good change of beating any other team, and games will be close and exciting, and no one team is too good. Therefore, giving the best talent to the worst teams is a great idea. It makes it that much harder for good teams to stay good, and makes it easier for even incompetantly managed teams to win a few more games. It seems to me that the current system is doing pretty much exactly what the NBA needs. Granted, your system would do it too, but I can’t imagine the NBA would view it as worth the trouble of implementing.</p>
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		<title>By: J</title>
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		<dc:creator>J</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Jun 2007 06:07:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Didn&#039;t know you are a basketball fan, Sean. I totally agree with you. I do not think the draft system now is anywhere near &quot;fairness&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Didn&#8217;t know you are a basketball fan, Sean. I totally agree with you. I do not think the draft system now is anywhere near &#8220;fairness&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Dylab</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dylab</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Jun 2007 02:28:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>People still like basketball? Huh, interesting.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>People still like basketball? Huh, interesting.</p>
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