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		<title>By: David Schneider</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2007/07/03/an-abelian-perjurer/comment-page-1/#comment-29246</link>
		<dc:creator>David Schneider</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Jul 2007 17:58:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hello! I&#039;m the founder/editor of a new online magazine of arts and ideas for the 21st century called The Boy Bedlam Review -- found at http://www.boybedlamreview.com .

This is an excellent piece -- gathering together all the hypocrisies in hyperlinks -- and I would very much like to feature it in our Politics/World section. Our (absurdly miniscule) budget can&#039;t, as yet, support us throwing money your way, but I&#039;m hoping that you might be inspired by our approach to contribute this piece to our widening Poetics of Information.

Sincerely,
David Schneider
Editor</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello! I&#8217;m the founder/editor of a new online magazine of arts and ideas for the 21st century called The Boy Bedlam Review &#8212; found at <a href="http://www.boybedlamreview.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.boybedlamreview.com</a> .</p>
<p>This is an excellent piece &#8212; gathering together all the hypocrisies in hyperlinks &#8212; and I would very much like to feature it in our Politics/World section. Our (absurdly miniscule) budget can&#8217;t, as yet, support us throwing money your way, but I&#8217;m hoping that you might be inspired by our approach to contribute this piece to our widening Poetics of Information.</p>
<p>Sincerely,<br />
David Schneider<br />
Editor</p>
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		<title>By: wag</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2007/07/03/an-abelian-perjurer/comment-page-1/#comment-29247</link>
		<dc:creator>wag</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Jul 2007 21:46:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dave said he had some sympathy for Scooter.  Me to.  I have enormous sympathy for Scooter.

I have the kind of sympathy for him that can be found in the dictionary -- somewhere between shit and syphilis.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dave said he had some sympathy for Scooter.  Me to.  I have enormous sympathy for Scooter.</p>
<p>I have the kind of sympathy for him that can be found in the dictionary &#8212; somewhere between shit and syphilis.</p>
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		<title>By: DaveW</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2007/07/03/an-abelian-perjurer/comment-page-1/#comment-29245</link>
		<dc:creator>DaveW</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Jul 2007 17:21:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Re: #34 -- It might also be pointed out that Martha Stewart went to the slammer for lying to the FBI, just like Libby lied. Except she lied about some exotic twist in securities law and Libby lied about the national security of the United States. I thought Stewart got screwed by a bad law, but the only thing worst than a bad law is a bad law that gets ignored if the criminal lied to cover up for his boss. I guess Equal Justice Under Law has never made it into &quot;conservative morality&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re: #34 &#8212; It might also be pointed out that Martha Stewart went to the slammer for lying to the FBI, just like Libby lied. Except she lied about some exotic twist in securities law and Libby lied about the national security of the United States. I thought Stewart got screwed by a bad law, but the only thing worst than a bad law is a bad law that gets ignored if the criminal lied to cover up for his boss. I guess Equal Justice Under Law has never made it into &#8220;conservative morality&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Arun</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2007/07/03/an-abelian-perjurer/comment-page-1/#comment-29244</link>
		<dc:creator>Arun</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Jul 2007 13:30:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>http://www.dailykos.com/story/2007/5/26/175420/448</description>
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		<title>By: Arun</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2007/07/03/an-abelian-perjurer/comment-page-1/#comment-29243</link>
		<dc:creator>Arun</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Jul 2007 13:27:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is also worth pointing out that Libby lied to the FBI long before Fitzgerald even entered the scene.  For whatever reason, lying to the FBI is a crime in our law; one cannot make special pleading for Libby.

---

This may amuse you:

http://miaculpa.blogspot.com/2007/07/hardball-david-schuster-pounds-fouad.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is also worth pointing out that Libby lied to the FBI long before Fitzgerald even entered the scene.  For whatever reason, lying to the FBI is a crime in our law; one cannot make special pleading for Libby.</p>
<p>&#8212;</p>
<p>This may amuse you:</p>
<p><a href="http://miaculpa.blogspot.com/2007/07/hardball-david-schuster-pounds-fouad.html" rel="nofollow">http://miaculpa.blogspot.com/2007/07/hardball-david-schuster-pounds-fouad.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Arun</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2007/07/03/an-abelian-perjurer/comment-page-1/#comment-29242</link>
		<dc:creator>Arun</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Jul 2007 13:08:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;I&gt;. But, had any crime been committed when Fitzgerald began his investigation? No, at least in the judgement of Fitzgerald.&lt;/I&gt;

????? - He couldn&#039;t have begun his investigation without there being prima facie, a crime.  The determination of whether an actual crime was committed and who committed it, because of the wording of the law allegedly broken,  (see &lt;a HREF=&quot;http://www4.law.cornell.edu/uscode/html/uscode50/usc_sec_50_00000421----000-.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;here&lt;/A&gt;
requires determination of intent.

&lt;blockquote&gt;Whoever, having or having had authorized access to classified information that identifies a covert agent, intentionally discloses any information identifying such covert agent to any individual not authorized to receive classified information, knowing that the information disclosed so identifies such covert agent and that the United States is taking affirmative measures to conceal such covert agent’s intelligence relationship to the United States, shall be fined under title 18 or imprisoned not more than ten years, or both.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Scooter Libby impeded that investigation by his perjury and was convicted for it no different from any number of other perjurers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>. But, had any crime been committed when Fitzgerald began his investigation? No, at least in the judgement of Fitzgerald.</i></p>
<p>????? &#8211; He couldn&#8217;t have begun his investigation without there being prima facie, a crime.  The determination of whether an actual crime was committed and who committed it, because of the wording of the law allegedly broken,  (see <a HREF="http://www4.law.cornell.edu/uscode/html/uscode50/usc_sec_50_00000421----000-.html" rel="nofollow">here</a><br />
requires determination of intent.</p>
<blockquote><p>Whoever, having or having had authorized access to classified information that identifies a covert agent, intentionally discloses any information identifying such covert agent to any individual not authorized to receive classified information, knowing that the information disclosed so identifies such covert agent and that the United States is taking affirmative measures to conceal such covert agent’s intelligence relationship to the United States, shall be fined under title 18 or imprisoned not more than ten years, or both.</p></blockquote>
<p>Scooter Libby impeded that investigation by his perjury and was convicted for it no different from any number of other perjurers.</p>
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		<title>By: Count Iblis</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2007/07/03/an-abelian-perjurer/comment-page-1/#comment-29241</link>
		<dc:creator>Count Iblis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Jul 2007 02:23:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#21 Reginald Selkirk

&lt;blockquote&gt; &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.salon.com/books/feature/2007/07/03/paul_davies/?source=whitelist&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Salon interview with Paul Davies&lt;/a&gt;
Yawn. &lt;/blockquote&gt;

From the link:

&lt;blockquote&gt;People are not the result of a cosmic accident, but of laws of the universe that grant our lives meaning and purpose, says physicist Paul Davies.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Are you saying that Libby telling lies was not a cosmic accident?  :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#21 Reginald Selkirk</p>
<blockquote><p> <a href="http://www.salon.com/books/feature/2007/07/03/paul_davies/?source=whitelist" rel="nofollow">Salon interview with Paul Davies</a><br />
Yawn. </p></blockquote>
<p>From the link:</p>
<blockquote><p>People are not the result of a cosmic accident, but of laws of the universe that grant our lives meaning and purpose, says physicist Paul Davies.</p></blockquote>
<p>Are you saying that Libby telling lies was not a cosmic accident?  <img src='http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: John</title>
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		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Jul 2007 12:26:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>tyler,

Sure, Fitzgerald didn&#039;t force anyone to lie.  I agree with you that &quot;turned into&quot; is not a good choice of words.  But, had any crime been committed when Fitzgerald began his investigation?  No, at least in the judgement of Fitzgerald.  Mr. F did manage to discover that Libby lied during the course of the investigation, and I agree L ought to be punished for that serious crime.  F also imprisoned reporters, which I find to be outrageous considering that F had already found the leaker.

I am concerned that L isn&#039;t doing some time in jail (although the Dark Lord Rove requires that I point out at least one other member of the Executive lied to a SP/Grand Jury and avoided jail time).  On the other hand, L wasn&#039;t covering up the outing of Ms. Plame.  F knew who revealed her identity -- Armitage -- yet he continued to question witnesses and place reporters in jail for protecting sources.  And for what?  We now know F had already found the leaker, and he wasn&#039;t in the White House.  I find all that just as troubling as the expanded inquisition against Clinton a few years earlier.

As far as Ms. Plame&#039;s covert status, it seems that there is a serious question if she was covert according to the IIPA.  In any case, F decided that no crime had been committed by Armitage revealing her identity, IIPA or not.  Novak was unaware of her covert status and the CIA didn&#039;t intervene when he checked it out, or I would agree that he would be at least morally culpable of treason.  So it seems the overheated rhetoric is from the side claiming treason! treason!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>tyler,</p>
<p>Sure, Fitzgerald didn&#8217;t force anyone to lie.  I agree with you that &#8220;turned into&#8221; is not a good choice of words.  But, had any crime been committed when Fitzgerald began his investigation?  No, at least in the judgement of Fitzgerald.  Mr. F did manage to discover that Libby lied during the course of the investigation, and I agree L ought to be punished for that serious crime.  F also imprisoned reporters, which I find to be outrageous considering that F had already found the leaker.</p>
<p>I am concerned that L isn&#8217;t doing some time in jail (although the Dark Lord Rove requires that I point out at least one other member of the Executive lied to a SP/Grand Jury and avoided jail time).  On the other hand, L wasn&#8217;t covering up the outing of Ms. Plame.  F knew who revealed her identity &#8212; Armitage &#8212; yet he continued to question witnesses and place reporters in jail for protecting sources.  And for what?  We now know F had already found the leaker, and he wasn&#8217;t in the White House.  I find all that just as troubling as the expanded inquisition against Clinton a few years earlier.</p>
<p>As far as Ms. Plame&#8217;s covert status, it seems that there is a serious question if she was covert according to the IIPA.  In any case, F decided that no crime had been committed by Armitage revealing her identity, IIPA or not.  Novak was unaware of her covert status and the CIA didn&#8217;t intervene when he checked it out, or I would agree that he would be at least morally culpable of treason.  So it seems the overheated rhetoric is from the side claiming treason! treason!</p>
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		<title>By: cynic</title>
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		<dc:creator>cynic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Jul 2007 11:11:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Your are indeed right, Sean, two wrongs don&#039;t make a right. Then neither does one.
 It&#039;s just that it&#039;s hard to take one side, when both are fairly dreadful. Here in the UK we have just seen Mr Blair, who was just about as soggy-left, soi-dissant all knowing, pro-self-improvement, feminised and lawyer-fluent as it is possible to be, escorted from the building. And why? Iraq? As he cuddled up to W, he was only doing what he was told to by slick Willy. Then he lied, like Bill caught with a ceegar up an intern&#039;s ass, and lied and lied. I tend to loathe HMG, whichever of the 2 parties is in power, as a matter of principle and pratice; sadly it is becoming ever more personal these days.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Your are indeed right, Sean, two wrongs don&#8217;t make a right. Then neither does one.<br />
 It&#8217;s just that it&#8217;s hard to take one side, when both are fairly dreadful. Here in the UK we have just seen Mr Blair, who was just about as soggy-left, soi-dissant all knowing, pro-self-improvement, feminised and lawyer-fluent as it is possible to be, escorted from the building. And why? Iraq? As he cuddled up to W, he was only doing what he was told to by slick Willy. Then he lied, like Bill caught with a ceegar up an intern&#8217;s ass, and lied and lied. I tend to loathe HMG, whichever of the 2 parties is in power, as a matter of principle and pratice; sadly it is becoming ever more personal these days.</p>
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		<title>By: UniversalVM</title>
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		<dc:creator>UniversalVM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Jul 2007 00:25:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#20 J

I can echo this sentiment pretty much EXACTLY!
Every single time I see GWB on TV I get some sort of an allergic reaction...I have to change the channel or switch the whole thing off.
[RantON]
I keep asking myself the same question over and over again ...Is this half-wit really the President? Really? really really? This is the commander-in-chief with the finger on the nuclear button? (He pronounces it &quot;nu-cular&quot; BTW.) Anytime I have to listen to even a few seconds of GWB, I feel my IQ dropping a couple of points.
[RantOFF]

#25 C

I have to believe that the &quot;loyal Bushie&quot; damage can be repaired. This country has too many good people to believe that stinking mess cannot be eventually cleaned up by intelligent, deliberative action. If the damage is irreparable, we are all well and truly boned.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#20 J</p>
<p>I can echo this sentiment pretty much EXACTLY!<br />
Every single time I see GWB on TV I get some sort of an allergic reaction&#8230;I have to change the channel or switch the whole thing off.<br />
[RantON]<br />
I keep asking myself the same question over and over again &#8230;Is this half-wit really the President? Really? really really? This is the commander-in-chief with the finger on the nuclear button? (He pronounces it &#8220;nu-cular&#8221; BTW.) Anytime I have to listen to even a few seconds of GWB, I feel my IQ dropping a couple of points.<br />
[RantOFF]</p>
<p>#25 C</p>
<p>I have to believe that the &#8220;loyal Bushie&#8221; damage can be repaired. This country has too many good people to believe that stinking mess cannot be eventually cleaned up by intelligent, deliberative action. If the damage is irreparable, we are all well and truly boned.</p>
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		<title>By: tyler</title>
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		<dc:creator>tyler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Jul 2007 23:49:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>John, things are not &quot;turned into&quot; crimes. They either are crimes or they are not. Libby is a criminal, convicted by a jury of his peers, and any attempt to minimize or excuse his crime is an unpatriotic act of pure partisan venality.

Lying to cover up a crime is a crime. If the crime is successfully covered up, and the lie is successful, the lie is no less of a crime, in fact it is moreso.

The only relevant question there is, &quot;should armitage also be indicted?&quot;

Bob Novak, OTOH, is at least ethically if not technically guilty of treason. Any &quot;conservative&quot; or Republican who defends his actions in revealing a covert op is guilty of the worst kind of hypocrisy. If a liberal journalist had done that, the National Review would be screaming for their head, and rightly so. But no, he&#039;s &quot;on the team&quot; so his despicable, treasonous behavior is excused.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>John, things are not &#8220;turned into&#8221; crimes. They either are crimes or they are not. Libby is a criminal, convicted by a jury of his peers, and any attempt to minimize or excuse his crime is an unpatriotic act of pure partisan venality.</p>
<p>Lying to cover up a crime is a crime. If the crime is successfully covered up, and the lie is successful, the lie is no less of a crime, in fact it is moreso.</p>
<p>The only relevant question there is, &#8220;should armitage also be indicted?&#8221;</p>
<p>Bob Novak, OTOH, is at least ethically if not technically guilty of treason. Any &#8220;conservative&#8221; or Republican who defends his actions in revealing a covert op is guilty of the worst kind of hypocrisy. If a liberal journalist had done that, the National Review would be screaming for their head, and rightly so. But no, he&#8217;s &#8220;on the team&#8221; so his despicable, treasonous behavior is excused.</p>
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		<title>By: John</title>
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		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Jul 2007 22:08:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ragtag... yes, the leaker was found, early on, by Mr. Fitzgerald.  Richard Armitage admitted he was the leaker.  That didn&#039;t stop Mr. Fitzgerald from using his prosecutorial zeal to continue digging around hoping he could find something, anything that might be turned into a crime.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ragtag&#8230; yes, the leaker was found, early on, by Mr. Fitzgerald.  Richard Armitage admitted he was the leaker.  That didn&#8217;t stop Mr. Fitzgerald from using his prosecutorial zeal to continue digging around hoping he could find something, anything that might be turned into a crime.</p>
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		<title>By: ragtag</title>
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		<dc:creator>ragtag</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Jul 2007 21:21:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A silly question: was it ever found out who was it that talked to Novak in the first place?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A silly question: was it ever found out who was it that talked to Novak in the first place?</p>
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		<title>By: Changcho</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2007/07/03/an-abelian-perjurer/comment-page-1/#comment-29234</link>
		<dc:creator>Changcho</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Jul 2007 20:34:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;The damage done by GWB and &quot;loyal bushies&quot; to America will take decades to repair. &quot;

Don&#039;t be so sure that it *can* be repaired.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;The damage done by GWB and &#8220;loyal bushies&#8221; to America will take decades to repair. &#8221;</p>
<p>Don&#8217;t be so sure that it *can* be repaired.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris W.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris W.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Jul 2007 20:08:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Of course, Robert Novak has &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=11734804&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;something to say&lt;/a&gt; on the subject.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Of course, Robert Novak has <a href="http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=11734804" rel="nofollow">something to say</a> on the subject.</p>
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		<title>By: Binh</title>
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		<dc:creator>Binh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Jul 2007 19:55:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Funny how Paris Hilton spent more time in jail for violating her parole by driving under the influence than Libby for lying to a federal prosecutor about how he (and his bosses) lied the country into the Iraq war.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Funny how Paris Hilton spent more time in jail for violating her parole by driving under the influence than Libby for lying to a federal prosecutor about how he (and his bosses) lied the country into the Iraq war.</p>
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		<title>By: DaveW</title>
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		<dc:creator>DaveW</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Jul 2007 16:52:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Dave sez:

Bush is really far worse just a typical Republican - he’s one of the worst presidents in history.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

First of all, every Republican president since Lincoln has been among the worst in history, except maybe Ford, who wasn&#039;t much of anything.

More importantly, your attempt to personalize the evils of the GOP in one person reach over the line to absurdity. Have you already forgotten how famous the GOP Congressional contingent was for its abject lockstep in giving bush everything he ever wanted? It took historically low approval ratings and a disastrous midterm election to pry some of the more self-interested ones away.

Partisan loyalty is a vice unless it&#039;s based on principle. GOP loyalty to Bush, therefore, is based either on unprincipled party loyalty or loyalty to Bushist principles., I won&#039;t speculate on which is the greater sin, but either way, there is nothing in the Republican Party that makes it worth keeping. It&#039;s time for it to go the way of the Federalists.

And BTW, I&#039;m not even a Democrat.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Dave sez:</p>
<p>Bush is really far worse just a typical Republican &#8211; he’s one of the worst presidents in history.</p></blockquote>
<p>First of all, every Republican president since Lincoln has been among the worst in history, except maybe Ford, who wasn&#8217;t much of anything.</p>
<p>More importantly, your attempt to personalize the evils of the GOP in one person reach over the line to absurdity. Have you already forgotten how famous the GOP Congressional contingent was for its abject lockstep in giving bush everything he ever wanted? It took historically low approval ratings and a disastrous midterm election to pry some of the more self-interested ones away.</p>
<p>Partisan loyalty is a vice unless it&#8217;s based on principle. GOP loyalty to Bush, therefore, is based either on unprincipled party loyalty or loyalty to Bushist principles., I won&#8217;t speculate on which is the greater sin, but either way, there is nothing in the Republican Party that makes it worth keeping. It&#8217;s time for it to go the way of the Federalists.</p>
<p>And BTW, I&#8217;m not even a Democrat.</p>
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		<title>By: Reginald Selkirk</title>
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		<dc:creator>Reginald Selkirk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Jul 2007 16:17:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.salon.com/books/feature/2007/07/03/paul_davies/?source=whitelist&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Salon interview with Paul Davies&lt;/a&gt;
Yawn.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.salon.com/books/feature/2007/07/03/paul_davies/?source=whitelist" rel="nofollow">Salon interview with Paul Davies</a><br />
Yawn.</p>
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		<title>By: Jud</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jud</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Jul 2007 13:52:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;[T]his administration represents a vortex of corruption, venality, and incompetence....&quot;

Thanks for those words, which gave rise to thoughts of a Doug Adams-ish Total Incompetence Vortex.

Re &quot;He Who Shall Not Be Named (Nixon),&quot; I recall my mother turning off the TV or leaving the room whenever he appeared.  At the time, I was a believer (and to a great extent still am) that you have to keep tabs on what The Other Guys are doing.  But whenever W appears on TV, I gotta change channels (many more alternatives now than in the late 60s - early 70s), turn it off, or leave the room.  It&#039;s a visceral reaction, purely brain stem - doesn&#039;t even make it up to the higher thought centers before I hit the buttons on the remote.  I know exactly how Mom felt.  So the heretofore conceptually impossible may have occurred: W may actually be (I write these words in a mental hush of awe) &lt;strong&gt;Worse Than Nixon!&lt;/strong&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;[T]his administration represents a vortex of corruption, venality, and incompetence&#8230;.&#8221;</p>
<p>Thanks for those words, which gave rise to thoughts of a Doug Adams-ish Total Incompetence Vortex.</p>
<p>Re &#8220;He Who Shall Not Be Named (Nixon),&#8221; I recall my mother turning off the TV or leaving the room whenever he appeared.  At the time, I was a believer (and to a great extent still am) that you have to keep tabs on what The Other Guys are doing.  But whenever W appears on TV, I gotta change channels (many more alternatives now than in the late 60s &#8211; early 70s), turn it off, or leave the room.  It&#8217;s a visceral reaction, purely brain stem &#8211; doesn&#8217;t even make it up to the higher thought centers before I hit the buttons on the remote.  I know exactly how Mom felt.  So the heretofore conceptually impossible may have occurred: W may actually be (I write these words in a mental hush of awe) <strong>Worse Than Nixon!</strong></p>
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		<title>By: kavik</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2007/07/03/an-abelian-perjurer/comment-page-1/#comment-29228</link>
		<dc:creator>kavik</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Jul 2007 04:39:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The unbelievable incompetence, venality, and corruption of the present administration is truly impressive (but I&#039;ve seen worse - I was in college during the reign of He Who Shall Not Be Named (Nixon)). Thru careful manipulation of the media and the judicial system, Libby has done his job - Cheney had him thrown under the bus as a diversion. It says much that Hunter S. Thompson believed that GWB was as bad as He Who Shall Not Be Named.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The unbelievable incompetence, venality, and corruption of the present administration is truly impressive (but I&#8217;ve seen worse &#8211; I was in college during the reign of He Who Shall Not Be Named (Nixon)). Thru careful manipulation of the media and the judicial system, Libby has done his job &#8211; Cheney had him thrown under the bus as a diversion. It says much that Hunter S. Thompson believed that GWB was as bad as He Who Shall Not Be Named.</p>
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