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		<title>By: Dinesh Chopra</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2007/08/12/exponentially-unlikely-fetishes/comment-page-1/#comment-79727</link>
		<dc:creator>Dinesh Chopra</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Jun 2009 08:27:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I like your thought and views accounting and physics.
I would like to visit here again.

It’s all in the wrist, right?

i like this phrase very much.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I like your thought and views accounting and physics.<br />
I would like to visit here again.</p>
<p>It’s all in the wrist, right?</p>
<p>i like this phrase very much.</p>
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		<title>By: Count Iblis</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2007/08/12/exponentially-unlikely-fetishes/comment-page-1/#comment-30997</link>
		<dc:creator>Count Iblis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Aug 2007 18:17:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt; want to ask physics questions. Mostly about light.

Where to go?

Whom to ask?


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Free of charge answers available &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.jiskha.com&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;here&lt;/a&gt; and  &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.physicsforums.com&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;

Answers in return for payment available &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.brainmass.com&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p> want to ask physics questions. Mostly about light.</p>
<p>Where to go?</p>
<p>Whom to ask?</p>
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<p>Free of charge answers available <a href="http://www.jiskha.com" rel="nofollow">here</a> and  <a href="http://www.physicsforums.com" rel="nofollow">here</a></p>
<p>Answers in return for payment available <a href="http://www.brainmass.com" rel="nofollow">here</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: Tom Hostetler</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2007/08/12/exponentially-unlikely-fetishes/comment-page-1/#comment-30996</link>
		<dc:creator>Tom Hostetler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Aug 2007 16:14:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I want to ask physics questions.  Mostly about light.

Where to go?

Whom to ask?

Tom</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I want to ask physics questions.  Mostly about light.</p>
<p>Where to go?</p>
<p>Whom to ask?</p>
<p>Tom</p>
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		<title>By: Dr Who</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2007/08/12/exponentially-unlikely-fetishes/comment-page-1/#comment-30995</link>
		<dc:creator>Dr Who</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Aug 2007 00:57:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Partly it’s from a vague (and untrue) feeling that inflation solves the problem&quot;

Albrecht says that inflation is *part* of the solution, though as he says it really only passes the buck back to even earlier times! By the way, I found your &quot;battleship&quot; argument very clear indeed, thanks!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Partly it’s from a vague (and untrue) feeling that inflation solves the problem&#8221;</p>
<p>Albrecht says that inflation is *part* of the solution, though as he says it really only passes the buck back to even earlier times! By the way, I found your &#8220;battleship&#8221; argument very clear indeed, thanks!!</p>
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		<title>By: Sean</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2007/08/12/exponentially-unlikely-fetishes/comment-page-1/#comment-30992</link>
		<dc:creator>Sean</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Aug 2007 03:46:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dr Who, everyone is certainly aware of the problem, but it&#039;s not something many people work on.  Partly it&#039;s from a vague (and untrue) feeling that inflation solves the problem; partly it&#039;s because it&#039;s hard to envision theoretical answers that could be experimentally tested; and partly because most cosmology problems can be considered independently of this one.  It&#039;s a similar situation to that of the measurement problem in quantum mechanics, or quantum gravity before the advent of string theory.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dr Who, everyone is certainly aware of the problem, but it&#8217;s not something many people work on.  Partly it&#8217;s from a vague (and untrue) feeling that inflation solves the problem; partly it&#8217;s because it&#8217;s hard to envision theoretical answers that could be experimentally tested; and partly because most cosmology problems can be considered independently of this one.  It&#8217;s a similar situation to that of the measurement problem in quantum mechanics, or quantum gravity before the advent of string theory.</p>
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		<title>By: Neil B.</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2007/08/12/exponentially-unlikely-fetishes/comment-page-1/#comment-30993</link>
		<dc:creator>Neil B.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Aug 2007 01:21:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ben, you may be right, but I don&#039;t think so, for the following reasons (which I have breezed through in haste and may well have slipped up as often happens thereby):

First, you didn&#039;t take index of refraction (and further subtleties like coatings, variable index, and even the latest &quot;inverted&quot; materials&quot;) into account. That still doesn&#039;t say why the principles would conspire, and remember that if &quot;energy&quot; is like a stuff, then it just can&#039;t be concentrated more than there was. OTOH, having more heat in one spot doesn&#039;t make more of something there can&#039;t be more of (as opposed to mathematical concepts like entropy, but I know the distinction is blurry.) As for the re-radiation from the surface: That isn&#039;t really the point, it&#039;s the energy density. The same energy is being put into various size spots, as we fiddle with focal length and thus f/ratio. Imagine that we have a black body surface. Then, the total power re-radiated will soon be equal to the input. A tiny image spot will emit the same energy as a larger one, to send back onto the source. But it will be hotter because its energy is concentrated into such a small area.

Anyway, that&#039;s my quick take, but if anyone knows better let me know. I do remember, in articles about concentration of sunlight in solar ovens (one I recall in Sci Am.), they have said: the image intensity can&#039;t be made more than the emitting surface or it would violate Thermo 2, not that success in doing so wouldn&#039;t matter anyway.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ben, you may be right, but I don&#8217;t think so, for the following reasons (which I have breezed through in haste and may well have slipped up as often happens thereby):</p>
<p>First, you didn&#8217;t take index of refraction (and further subtleties like coatings, variable index, and even the latest &#8220;inverted&#8221; materials&#8221;) into account. That still doesn&#8217;t say why the principles would conspire, and remember that if &#8220;energy&#8221; is like a stuff, then it just can&#8217;t be concentrated more than there was. OTOH, having more heat in one spot doesn&#8217;t make more of something there can&#8217;t be more of (as opposed to mathematical concepts like entropy, but I know the distinction is blurry.) As for the re-radiation from the surface: That isn&#8217;t really the point, it&#8217;s the energy density. The same energy is being put into various size spots, as we fiddle with focal length and thus f/ratio. Imagine that we have a black body surface. Then, the total power re-radiated will soon be equal to the input. A tiny image spot will emit the same energy as a larger one, to send back onto the source. But it will be hotter because its energy is concentrated into such a small area.</p>
<p>Anyway, that&#8217;s my quick take, but if anyone knows better let me know. I do remember, in articles about concentration of sunlight in solar ovens (one I recall in Sci Am.), they have said: the image intensity can&#8217;t be made more than the emitting surface or it would violate Thermo 2, not that success in doing so wouldn&#8217;t matter anyway.</p>
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		<title>By: Ben</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2007/08/12/exponentially-unlikely-fetishes/comment-page-1/#comment-30994</link>
		<dc:creator>Ben</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Aug 2007 01:10:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Neil,

I don&#039;t think optics is &quot;conspiring&quot; to support the second law, any more than mechanics conspires to support the second law because perpetual motion machines all have flaws.  There is a theoretical minimum f-number for lenses in part because a fast lens has to be highly curved, and you can&#039;t make a curved lens surface with an arbitrarily large aperture; it can&#039;t be any bigger than a hemisphere.  I&#039;ve read a claim that the theoretical fastest lens would be f/0.5, but don&#039;t know the derivation.

That is not why you can&#039;t use an optical system as a one-way heat conduit.  In fact, I could make a big but not terribly fast lens and use it to concentrate light on a small image, like burning paper with a magnifying glass.  However, if I succeeded in making the image hotter than the original light source, the image would simply reradiate back through the magnifying glass onto the source.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Neil,</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think optics is &#8220;conspiring&#8221; to support the second law, any more than mechanics conspires to support the second law because perpetual motion machines all have flaws.  There is a theoretical minimum f-number for lenses in part because a fast lens has to be highly curved, and you can&#8217;t make a curved lens surface with an arbitrarily large aperture; it can&#8217;t be any bigger than a hemisphere.  I&#8217;ve read a claim that the theoretical fastest lens would be f/0.5, but don&#8217;t know the derivation.</p>
<p>That is not why you can&#8217;t use an optical system as a one-way heat conduit.  In fact, I could make a big but not terribly fast lens and use it to concentrate light on a small image, like burning paper with a magnifying glass.  However, if I succeeded in making the image hotter than the original light source, the image would simply reradiate back through the magnifying glass onto the source.</p>
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		<title>By: Dr Who</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2007/08/12/exponentially-unlikely-fetishes/comment-page-1/#comment-31002</link>
		<dc:creator>Dr Who</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Aug 2007 05:51:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We all know that SC has his own ideas about why eggs scramble but [almost] never unscramble. Question: what is the general feeling in the cosmology community about this? Do most people just hope that a solution will come along when we understand quantum cosmology, or do they really think that there is no problem here? Another way of asking this question: why isn&#039;t there an absolutely gigantic literature on this problem? I have this uneasy feeling that if we don&#039;t understand something so basic, there may be a lot of other, less obvious things that we misunderstand....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We all know that SC has his own ideas about why eggs scramble but [almost] never unscramble. Question: what is the general feeling in the cosmology community about this? Do most people just hope that a solution will come along when we understand quantum cosmology, or do they really think that there is no problem here? Another way of asking this question: why isn&#8217;t there an absolutely gigantic literature on this problem? I have this uneasy feeling that if we don&#8217;t understand something so basic, there may be a lot of other, less obvious things that we misunderstand&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris W.</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2007/08/12/exponentially-unlikely-fetishes/comment-page-1/#comment-31001</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris W.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Aug 2007 02:29:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>While we wait for Sean&#039;s brutal crackdown on off-topic comments, let me note this new &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.arxiv.org/abs/0708.1783&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;preprint&lt;/a&gt; by P. C. W. Davies:

&lt;blockquote&gt;In this paper I show how the second law of thermodynamics, generalized to include event horizon area, places interesting constraints on the value of the fine structure constant. A simple analysis leads to the conclusion that classical Dirac and point-like magnetic monopoles could be used to violate the second law, and that GUT monopoles are inconsistent with minicharged particles.&lt;/blockquote&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While we wait for Sean&#8217;s brutal crackdown on off-topic comments, let me note this new <a href="http://www.arxiv.org/abs/0708.1783" rel="nofollow">preprint</a> by P. C. W. Davies:</p>
<blockquote><p>In this paper I show how the second law of thermodynamics, generalized to include event horizon area, places interesting constraints on the value of the fine structure constant. A simple analysis leads to the conclusion that classical Dirac and point-like magnetic monopoles could be used to violate the second law, and that GUT monopoles are inconsistent with minicharged particles.</p></blockquote>
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		<title>By: Ben</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2007/08/12/exponentially-unlikely-fetishes/comment-page-1/#comment-30991</link>
		<dc:creator>Ben</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Aug 2007 01:58:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That is the worst job of making (or unmaking) a scrambled egg I have ever seen in my life.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That is the worst job of making (or unmaking) a scrambled egg I have ever seen in my life.</p>
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