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		<title>By: teadrinker</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2007/09/10/brooklyn-is-not-expanding/comment-page-1/#comment-31994</link>
		<dc:creator>teadrinker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Oct 2008 15:38:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Carl Sagan also came from Brooklyn, born there in 1934.

Is there a connection, perhaps?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Carl Sagan also came from Brooklyn, born there in 1934.</p>
<p>Is there a connection, perhaps?</p>
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		<title>By: Jonathan Vos Post</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2007/09/10/brooklyn-is-not-expanding/comment-page-1/#comment-31986</link>
		<dc:creator>Jonathan Vos Post</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Sep 2007 16:52:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Brooklyn, where I spent ages 0.75 through 15.9, (specifically in Brooklyn Heights, around the corner from W. H. Auden, and in the building where Arthur Miller had lived, but which Marilyn Monroe preferred not to live, and downstairs from the penthouse where Andy Warhol filmed some of his first Ultraviolet catastrophes), was once the 5th largest city in the USA.  It got merged in with New York City about the time that a tidal bulge became the Brooklyn Bridge feeding an accretion disk. This may fit SMOLUCHOWSKI EQUATIONS for coagulation, or may indicate Dark Matter at the cores of major metropolitan area, and Dark Energy driving populations to the suburbs and exurbs. Experts differ.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Brooklyn, where I spent ages 0.75 through 15.9, (specifically in Brooklyn Heights, around the corner from W. H. Auden, and in the building where Arthur Miller had lived, but which Marilyn Monroe preferred not to live, and downstairs from the penthouse where Andy Warhol filmed some of his first Ultraviolet catastrophes), was once the 5th largest city in the USA.  It got merged in with New York City about the time that a tidal bulge became the Brooklyn Bridge feeding an accretion disk. This may fit SMOLUCHOWSKI EQUATIONS for coagulation, or may indicate Dark Matter at the cores of major metropolitan area, and Dark Energy driving populations to the suburbs and exurbs. Experts differ.</p>
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		<title>By: Joseph Smidt</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2007/09/10/brooklyn-is-not-expanding/comment-page-1/#comment-31984</link>
		<dc:creator>Joseph Smidt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Sep 2007 05:57:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Speaking of expanding, anybody have any thoughts on this paper:
http://arxiv.org/abs/0709.0002 ?

It seems getting inflation from string theory might be more difficult then string thoeriists would like:

 &quot;We analyze three explicit string models from the recent literature, each containing an infinite number of &quot;vacuum&quot; solutions. Our numerical investigation of some natural candidate inflatons, the so-called &quot;moduli fields&quot;, fails to find inflation...even having an infinite number of vacua does not guarantee having inflating ones. This may be an artifact of the simplicity of the models that we study. Instead, more complicated string theory models appear to be required, suggesting that explicitly identifying the inflating subset of the string landscape will be challenging.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Speaking of expanding, anybody have any thoughts on this paper:<br />
<a href="http://arxiv.org/abs/0709.0002" rel="nofollow">http://arxiv.org/abs/0709.0002</a> ?</p>
<p>It seems getting inflation from string theory might be more difficult then string thoeriists would like:</p>
<p> &#8220;We analyze three explicit string models from the recent literature, each containing an infinite number of &#8220;vacuum&#8221; solutions. Our numerical investigation of some natural candidate inflatons, the so-called &#8220;moduli fields&#8221;, fails to find inflation&#8230;even having an infinite number of vacua does not guarantee having inflating ones. This may be an artifact of the simplicity of the models that we study. Instead, more complicated string theory models appear to be required, suggesting that explicitly identifying the inflating subset of the string landscape will be challenging.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: A quote from Annie Hall &#171; Entertaining Research</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2007/09/10/brooklyn-is-not-expanding/comment-page-1/#comment-31983</link>
		<dc:creator>A quote from Annie Hall &#171; Entertaining Research</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Sep 2007 02:25:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] quote from Annie&#160;Hall  After watching this clip, I had to watch Annie Hall. I did today. My favourite quote from the movie? Pam: Sex with you is [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Sean</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2007/09/10/brooklyn-is-not-expanding/comment-page-1/#comment-31993</link>
		<dc:creator>Sean</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Sep 2007 20:23:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If we had constraints on w that were that good, nobody would be talking about building a satellite.  Right now they are closer to 10% than 1%.

I don&#039;t think there is any hysteria, but the interest is based on the idea that it&#039;s a plausible scenario that is consistent with the data.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If we had constraints on w that were that good, nobody would be talking about building a satellite.  Right now they are closer to 10% than 1%.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think there is any hysteria, but the interest is based on the idea that it&#8217;s a plausible scenario that is consistent with the data.</p>
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		<title>By: Belizean</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2007/09/10/brooklyn-is-not-expanding/comment-page-1/#comment-31981</link>
		<dc:creator>Belizean</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Sep 2007 19:30:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Note that everyone seems to be buying into some sort of Big Rip cosmology.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Sean,

I thought that the current best estimate for w (ratio of pressure to density), is something like -1.00 +/- 0.01.

Is the Big Rip hysteria based on the possibility that w is -1.01?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Note that everyone seems to be buying into some sort of Big Rip cosmology.</p></blockquote>
<p>Sean,</p>
<p>I thought that the current best estimate for w (ratio of pressure to density), is something like -1.00 +/- 0.01.</p>
<p>Is the Big Rip hysteria based on the possibility that w is -1.01?</p>
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		<title>By: Tuesday morning links! &#171; Entertaining Research</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tuesday morning links! &#171; Entertaining Research</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Sep 2007 15:23:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Sean posts a wonderful clip from a Woody Allen movie on the expanding universe (and non-expanding Br.... I have to check-out  Annie Hall from the [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Sean posts a wonderful clip from a Woody Allen movie on the expanding universe (and non-expanding Br&#8230;. I have to check-out  Annie Hall from the [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Simon DeDeo</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2007/09/10/brooklyn-is-not-expanding/comment-page-1/#comment-31992</link>
		<dc:creator>Simon DeDeo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Sep 2007 06:17:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>While I believe that Brooklyn is not expanding, I occasionally invent for myself a thought experiment related to Brooklyn and have to waste an afternoon trying to puzzle my way back out again. There are subtle issues (as Paul notes!) hidden in these questions!

When I first encountered the big bang (in a conceptual sense), for some reason I had a professor who would treat is-Brooklyn-expanding questions with great distain, and I think the occasional folly of my trying to invent increasingly tricky versions of the problem is a reaction to this.

Actually, one thing I find becomes an issue is that I find integrals easier to understand than simple operations like division. Does anyone else have this problem? I think integrating a function is easier to imagine than dividing a function&#039;s value at point x by its value at point y.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While I believe that Brooklyn is not expanding, I occasionally invent for myself a thought experiment related to Brooklyn and have to waste an afternoon trying to puzzle my way back out again. There are subtle issues (as Paul notes!) hidden in these questions!</p>
<p>When I first encountered the big bang (in a conceptual sense), for some reason I had a professor who would treat is-Brooklyn-expanding questions with great distain, and I think the occasional folly of my trying to invent increasingly tricky versions of the problem is a reaction to this.</p>
<p>Actually, one thing I find becomes an issue is that I find integrals easier to understand than simple operations like division. Does anyone else have this problem? I think integrating a function is easier to imagine than dividing a function&#8217;s value at point x by its value at point y.</p>
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		<title>By: gfl</title>
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		<dc:creator>gfl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Sep 2007 03:34:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&gt; It’s easy to deflect the Brooklyn question for a locally gravitationally bound system.

Absolutely - seems to smack of there being one kind of gravity for the cosmos and another for &quot;bound systems&quot;. We had a punt of this as well in;

Expanding Space: the Root of all Evil?
Authors: Matthew J. Francis, Luke A. Barnes, J. Berian James, Geraint F. Lewis
(Submitted on 3 Jul 2007)

    Abstract: While it remains the staple of virtually all cosmological teaching, the concept of expanding space in explaining the increasing separation of galaxies has recently come under fire as a dangerous idea whose application leads to the development of confusion and the establishment of misconceptions. In this paper, we develop a notion of expanding space that is completely valid as a framework for the description of the evolution of the universe and whose application allows an intuitive understanding of the influence of universal expansion. We also demonstrate how arguments against the concept in general have failed thus far, as they imbue expanding space with physical properties not consistent with the expectations of general relativity.

http://www.arxiv.org/abs/0707.0380

Although I think Woody Allen is one of the un-funniest people on the planet.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&gt; It’s easy to deflect the Brooklyn question for a locally gravitationally bound system.</p>
<p>Absolutely &#8211; seems to smack of there being one kind of gravity for the cosmos and another for &#8220;bound systems&#8221;. We had a punt of this as well in;</p>
<p>Expanding Space: the Root of all Evil?<br />
Authors: Matthew J. Francis, Luke A. Barnes, J. Berian James, Geraint F. Lewis<br />
(Submitted on 3 Jul 2007)</p>
<p>    Abstract: While it remains the staple of virtually all cosmological teaching, the concept of expanding space in explaining the increasing separation of galaxies has recently come under fire as a dangerous idea whose application leads to the development of confusion and the establishment of misconceptions. In this paper, we develop a notion of expanding space that is completely valid as a framework for the description of the evolution of the universe and whose application allows an intuitive understanding of the influence of universal expansion. We also demonstrate how arguments against the concept in general have failed thus far, as they imbue expanding space with physical properties not consistent with the expectations of general relativity.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.arxiv.org/abs/0707.0380" rel="nofollow">http://www.arxiv.org/abs/0707.0380</a></p>
<p>Although I think Woody Allen is one of the un-funniest people on the planet.</p>
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		<title>By: Paul Stankus</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2007/09/10/brooklyn-is-not-expanding/comment-page-1/#comment-31985</link>
		<dc:creator>Paul Stankus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Sep 2007 01:15:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What I like best in the Annie Hall clip is that Alvy is more worried about the expansion of the Universe than he is about the fact that his doctor smokes.

It&#039;s a natural for an intro cosmology talk; I was neither the first nor the last, but I can say I worked it in before Sean did.  See (.pdf):

http://www.phenix.bnl.gov/WWW/publish/stankus/Intro_Cosmology/Lecture%202/Addendum_Brooklyn.pdf

or (.ppt):

http://www.phenix.bnl.gov/WWW/publish/stankus/Intro_Cosmology/Lecture%202/Addendum_Brooklyn.ppt

It&#039;s easy to deflect the Brooklyn question for a locally gravitationally bound system.  But the subtler question is how a smooth cosmic expansion would affect a system bound purely by non-gravitational forces; this question is not typically addressed at the intro level, but I&#039;ve given it a shot in my lectures.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What I like best in the Annie Hall clip is that Alvy is more worried about the expansion of the Universe than he is about the fact that his doctor smokes.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s a natural for an intro cosmology talk; I was neither the first nor the last, but I can say I worked it in before Sean did.  See (.pdf):</p>
<p><a href="http://www.phenix.bnl.gov/WWW/publish/stankus/Intro_Cosmology/Lecture%202/Addendum_Brooklyn.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://www.phenix.bnl.gov/WWW/publish/stankus/Intro_Cosmology/Lecture%202/Addendum_Brooklyn.pdf</a></p>
<p>or (.ppt):</p>
<p><a href="http://www.phenix.bnl.gov/WWW/publish/stankus/Intro_Cosmology/Lecture%202/Addendum_Brooklyn.ppt" rel="nofollow">http://www.phenix.bnl.gov/WWW/publish/stankus/Intro_Cosmology/Lecture%202/Addendum_Brooklyn.ppt</a></p>
<p>It&#8217;s easy to deflect the Brooklyn question for a locally gravitationally bound system.  But the subtler question is how a smooth cosmic expansion would affect a system bound purely by non-gravitational forces; this question is not typically addressed at the intro level, but I&#8217;ve given it a shot in my lectures.</p>
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