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		<title>By: Jason Dick</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2007/09/17/rationality-revisited/comment-page-1/#comment-31763</link>
		<dc:creator>Jason Dick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Sep 2007 11:16:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Q: Can you give a nontrivial non-circular answer to the question: &quot;Why should I be Rational?&quot;

Not that hard to argue this, really.  Consider that you have desires, simple things like, &quot;I want to start a family,&quot; &quot;I want to have a successful career that I enjoy,&quot; &quot;I want to enjoy the company of friends and family.&quot;  We all have such desires, things that we want to bring about.  So, the question is, how do we best achieve these goals?

There is where being rational comes in.  Being rational allows us to objectively examine the evidence to determine which actions will be most likely to bring about that which we desire.  It also allows us to examine conflicting desires, weigh them against one another, and determine which we really do want (e.g. I want to buy a fast new computer, and I like AMD&#039;s processors, but Intel&#039;s are faster right now).

So yeah, if you have any desires at all, and you want to bring those desires about, then you should be as rational as possible in bringing about your desires.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Q: Can you give a nontrivial non-circular answer to the question: &#8220;Why should I be Rational?&#8221;</p>
<p>Not that hard to argue this, really.  Consider that you have desires, simple things like, &#8220;I want to start a family,&#8221; &#8220;I want to have a successful career that I enjoy,&#8221; &#8220;I want to enjoy the company of friends and family.&#8221;  We all have such desires, things that we want to bring about.  So, the question is, how do we best achieve these goals?</p>
<p>There is where being rational comes in.  Being rational allows us to objectively examine the evidence to determine which actions will be most likely to bring about that which we desire.  It also allows us to examine conflicting desires, weigh them against one another, and determine which we really do want (e.g. I want to buy a fast new computer, and I like AMD&#8217;s processors, but Intel&#8217;s are faster right now).</p>
<p>So yeah, if you have any desires at all, and you want to bring those desires about, then you should be as rational as possible in bringing about your desires.</p>
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		<title>By: Ilja</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2007/09/17/rationality-revisited/comment-page-1/#comment-31762</link>
		<dc:creator>Ilja</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Sep 2007 06:58:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Q: Can you give a nontrivial non-circular answer to the question: &quot;Why should I be Rational?&quot;

Why? The circular answer is nice:

Definition of the rational strategy:  The optimal strategy to reach the own aims.

Why should I be rational?  To reach the own aims.

Why should I reach my own aims?  You should not. Its your choice. But I think you want it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Q: Can you give a nontrivial non-circular answer to the question: &#8220;Why should I be Rational?&#8221;</p>
<p>Why? The circular answer is nice:</p>
<p>Definition of the rational strategy:  The optimal strategy to reach the own aims.</p>
<p>Why should I be rational?  To reach the own aims.</p>
<p>Why should I reach my own aims?  You should not. Its your choice. But I think you want it.</p>
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		<title>By: Ike Solem</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2007/09/17/rationality-revisited/comment-page-1/#comment-31767</link>
		<dc:creator>Ike Solem</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Sep 2007 16:56:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fermions!  Having protons, neutrons, neutrinos, electrons (okay, quarks and leptons) named after you is quite an acknowledgement.  Fermi just didn&#039;t write popular books, so that&#039;s probably why he&#039;s less well-known.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fermions!  Having protons, neutrons, neutrinos, electrons (okay, quarks and leptons) named after you is quite an acknowledgement.  Fermi just didn&#8217;t write popular books, so that&#8217;s probably why he&#8217;s less well-known.</p>
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		<title>By: Ike Solem</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2007/09/17/rationality-revisited/comment-page-1/#comment-31761</link>
		<dc:creator>Ike Solem</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Sep 2007 16:51:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Maybe econo-physics should try applying the far simpler notion of mass-energy balance to their models.  These come out of fluid dynamics models, radiation transfer models, and the like.

The argument economists have is that they don&#039;t need to worry about such things because we live in an age of plenty, so physical limitations don&#039;t really matter.

Unless I&#039;m wrong, economists seem to assume that human wants and desires will allow them to overcome physical limitations via technological innovations.  The fact that a drought can wipe out an agricultural crop can be overcome by say, mining groundwater or piping water from a large distant river.

However, this assumes a never-ending supply of energy and a never-ending supply of arable land for an ever-increasing human population.  Such assumptions are hardly justified.

As proof of this, the econometric models used by many economists to justify NAFTA predicted a net rise in pay on either side of the US-Mexico border due to increased efficiencies on both sides.  The actual result was the opposite, and no economist has ever been able to explain why their models failed so miserably - in fact, they don&#039;t even talk about it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maybe econo-physics should try applying the far simpler notion of mass-energy balance to their models.  These come out of fluid dynamics models, radiation transfer models, and the like.</p>
<p>The argument economists have is that they don&#8217;t need to worry about such things because we live in an age of plenty, so physical limitations don&#8217;t really matter.</p>
<p>Unless I&#8217;m wrong, economists seem to assume that human wants and desires will allow them to overcome physical limitations via technological innovations.  The fact that a drought can wipe out an agricultural crop can be overcome by say, mining groundwater or piping water from a large distant river.</p>
<p>However, this assumes a never-ending supply of energy and a never-ending supply of arable land for an ever-increasing human population.  Such assumptions are hardly justified.</p>
<p>As proof of this, the econometric models used by many economists to justify NAFTA predicted a net rise in pay on either side of the US-Mexico border due to increased efficiencies on both sides.  The actual result was the opposite, and no economist has ever been able to explain why their models failed so miserably &#8211; in fact, they don&#8217;t even talk about it.</p>
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		<title>By: notsneaky</title>
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		<dc:creator>notsneaky</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Sep 2007 22:12:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Why should I be Rational?&quot;


I don&#039;t know. Should you? You&#039;re asking the wrong question.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Why should I be Rational?&#8221;</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know. Should you? You&#8217;re asking the wrong question.</p>
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		<title>By: Jonathan Vos Post</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2007/09/17/rationality-revisited/comment-page-1/#comment-31760</link>
		<dc:creator>Jonathan Vos Post</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Sep 2007 21:31:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The suggestion that there are foundational problems with meaningfully axiomatizing Economics (which is a Science, since its first Great Book, &quot;Waelth of Nations&quot;, Adam Smith, 1776) is:

Q: Can you give a nontrivial non-circular answer to the question: &quot;Why should I be Rational?&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The suggestion that there are foundational problems with meaningfully axiomatizing Economics (which is a Science, since its first Great Book, &#8220;Waelth of Nations&#8221;, Adam Smith, 1776) is:</p>
<p>Q: Can you give a nontrivial non-circular answer to the question: &#8220;Why should I be Rational?&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Lord</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2007/09/17/rationality-revisited/comment-page-1/#comment-31759</link>
		<dc:creator>Lord</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Sep 2007 23:52:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Irrational believing it to be so, or acting to make it so?  Is it more rational to not act on mistaken beliefs or to act on them?  Is it more rational to look more at the past or the future?  Is it more rational to look more distantly or closely?  Does rational exist prospectively or only retrospectively?  If our information or our judgment was wrong does that make it irrational or merely mistaken?  Every animal seeks survival even though none do.  Does that make them irrational?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Irrational believing it to be so, or acting to make it so?  Is it more rational to not act on mistaken beliefs or to act on them?  Is it more rational to look more at the past or the future?  Is it more rational to look more distantly or closely?  Does rational exist prospectively or only retrospectively?  If our information or our judgment was wrong does that make it irrational or merely mistaken?  Every animal seeks survival even though none do.  Does that make them irrational?</p>
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		<title>By: Dan S.</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2007/09/17/rationality-revisited/comment-page-1/#comment-31752</link>
		<dc:creator>Dan S.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Sep 2007 20:49:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Please see &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.eoearth.org/article/Energy_and_economic_myths_%28historical%29&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;
Energy and Economic Myths&lt;/a&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Please see <a href="http://www.eoearth.org/article/Energy_and_economic_myths_%28historical%29" rel="nofollow"><br />
Energy and Economic Myths</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: Jason Dick</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2007/09/17/rationality-revisited/comment-page-1/#comment-31756</link>
		<dc:creator>Jason Dick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Sep 2007 20:33:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The irrationality comes when the advertisement itself generates the social status of a product, such as has happened with diamonds and McDonald&#039;s.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The irrationality comes when the advertisement itself generates the social status of a product, such as has happened with diamonds and McDonald&#8217;s.</p>
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		<title>By: Lord</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lord</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Sep 2007 20:06:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>God knows benefiting from a product socially could hardly be considered a rational desire.  ;-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>God knows benefiting from a product socially could hardly be considered a rational desire.  <img src='http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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