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		<title>By: Count Iblis</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2007/10/05/obsession/comment-page-1/#comment-32503</link>
		<dc:creator>Count Iblis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Oct 2007 14:13:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Constellations are hard&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Only in the beginning. It&#039;s just a matter of pattern recognition. I guess that when learning to read Chinese you&#039;ll also face some difficulties in the beginning. But there are no patterns in the digits of pi, so I don&#039;t see how that can be easier.</description>
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<p>Only in the beginning. It&#8217;s just a matter of pattern recognition. I guess that when learning to read Chinese you&#8217;ll also face some difficulties in the beginning. But there are no patterns in the digits of pi, so I don&#8217;t see how that can be easier.</p>
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		<title>By: Ben</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2007/10/05/obsession/comment-page-1/#comment-32505</link>
		<dc:creator>Ben</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Oct 2007 12:49:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>John:
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So how common is it for professional astronomers to not looooove astronomy like the amateurs do?

And: is it really true that lots of professional astronomers don’t know their constellations very well?
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Even if your job is fascinating, it&#039;s a rare person who can looooove a job like one loooooves a hobby or pastime.  For professionals (of any type) the job comes with the usual accoutrements, like office politics, writing proposals, or knowing that when clouds come in at 3:30 am or the telescope power goes out, you still have to stay up the rest of the night in case things magically improve for the last hour - you don&#039;t have the freedom to pack it in.

Constellations are hard.  I respect people who really know the sky to the point of being able to navigate it from memory.  It is much harder than memorizing pi.  You also have to live in a place where you can actually go out many nights, and see a fair number of stars.  The first time I can remember seeing the Milky Way clearly, I was already 15 years old.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>John:</p>
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So how common is it for professional astronomers to not looooove astronomy like the amateurs do?</p>
<p>And: is it really true that lots of professional astronomers don’t know their constellations very well?
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<p>Even if your job is fascinating, it&#8217;s a rare person who can looooove a job like one loooooves a hobby or pastime.  For professionals (of any type) the job comes with the usual accoutrements, like office politics, writing proposals, or knowing that when clouds come in at 3:30 am or the telescope power goes out, you still have to stay up the rest of the night in case things magically improve for the last hour &#8211; you don&#8217;t have the freedom to pack it in.</p>
<p>Constellations are hard.  I respect people who really know the sky to the point of being able to navigate it from memory.  It is much harder than memorizing pi.  You also have to live in a place where you can actually go out many nights, and see a fair number of stars.  The first time I can remember seeing the Milky Way clearly, I was already 15 years old.</p>
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		<title>By: Simon DeDeo</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2007/10/05/obsession/comment-page-1/#comment-32493</link>
		<dc:creator>Simon DeDeo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Oct 2007 20:22:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>not 1998, sorry, more like 1995. And looking at the Junior Lab photos online now, it&#039;s a new dish. Jay Kirsch must be happy!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>not 1998, sorry, more like 1995. And looking at the Junior Lab photos online now, it&#8217;s a new dish. Jay Kirsch must be happy!</p>
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		<title>By: Simon DeDeo</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2007/10/05/obsession/comment-page-1/#comment-32501</link>
		<dc:creator>Simon DeDeo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Oct 2007 20:21:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Blake! I used the same dish. (Well, not sure if it&#039;s still the same, I used it back in 1998.) Back then someone was trying to do information transmission over powerlines, and it would blast out the signal no matter where the dish was pointed -- large enough fuzz that you couldn&#039;t even measure the beam off the Sun. All totally illegal because L band is strictly protected. To tell the truth, I can&#039;t remember if there was also a narrowband signal from the Financial district.

Nowadays, &quot;&lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Power_line_communication&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;broadband over powerlines&lt;/a&gt;&quot; is the Ham radio demon, and yes, it looks like for astronomers as well. My hope is that we can lay enough fiber that it will never take off -- I mean, there can&#039;t be that much bandwidth hiding in the electrical grid?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Blake! I used the same dish. (Well, not sure if it&#8217;s still the same, I used it back in 1998.) Back then someone was trying to do information transmission over powerlines, and it would blast out the signal no matter where the dish was pointed &#8212; large enough fuzz that you couldn&#8217;t even measure the beam off the Sun. All totally illegal because L band is strictly protected. To tell the truth, I can&#8217;t remember if there was also a narrowband signal from the Financial district.</p>
<p>Nowadays, &#8220;<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Power_line_communication" rel="nofollow">broadband over powerlines</a>&#8221; is the Ham radio demon, and yes, it looks like for astronomers as well. My hope is that we can lay enough fiber that it will never take off &#8212; I mean, there can&#8217;t be that much bandwidth hiding in the electrical grid?</p>
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		<title>By: Blake Stacey</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2007/10/05/obsession/comment-page-1/#comment-32492</link>
		<dc:creator>Blake Stacey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Oct 2007 20:13:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I got to play with a Haystack SRT in my lab class, junior year.  They&#039;ve got one installed on a roof over on the east side of the MIT campus.  My lab partner and I measured the Doppler shifts of the 21-cm line and confirmed that yes, the Galaxy is rotating.  We also found a giant, narrow peak right in the middle of our frequency band, which never shifted and which grew stronger the closer you pointed the dish at Boston, across the river.  Something in the Financial District is radiating at 21 centimeters!  (I blame the Illuminati.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I got to play with a Haystack SRT in my lab class, junior year.  They&#8217;ve got one installed on a roof over on the east side of the MIT campus.  My lab partner and I measured the Doppler shifts of the 21-cm line and confirmed that yes, the Galaxy is rotating.  We also found a giant, narrow peak right in the middle of our frequency band, which never shifted and which grew stronger the closer you pointed the dish at Boston, across the river.  Something in the Financial District is radiating at 21 centimeters!  (I blame the Illuminati.)</p>
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		<title>By: Simon DeDeo</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2007/10/05/obsession/comment-page-1/#comment-32502</link>
		<dc:creator>Simon DeDeo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Oct 2007 19:36:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>John --

Many of us started as physicists. I grew up in cities all my life, and actually saw the Milky Way in 21 cm before I saw it in the optical. Also, I think many of us got into physics because we have terrible memories and like being able to derive from first principles -- meaning that memorizing constellations has little appeal.

Speaking of radio, my &quot;amateur&quot; astronomer friend (who runs the observatory at my old high school) tells me that radio telescope kits are now becoming available. MIT&#039;s Haystack observatory has developed one that is running $7k for the base model -- http://www.haystack.mit.edu/edu/undergrad/srt/index.html

Now &lt;i&gt;that&lt;/i&gt; is cool. You can do 21 cm from a city. When I move in to my retirement penthouse on 59th and Park (http://www.disco-disco.com/images/continental-platos.jpg), I am totally going to bribe the city to put a dish up. Or N -- I could have my own VLA!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>John &#8211;</p>
<p>Many of us started as physicists. I grew up in cities all my life, and actually saw the Milky Way in 21 cm before I saw it in the optical. Also, I think many of us got into physics because we have terrible memories and like being able to derive from first principles &#8212; meaning that memorizing constellations has little appeal.</p>
<p>Speaking of radio, my &#8220;amateur&#8221; astronomer friend (who runs the observatory at my old high school) tells me that radio telescope kits are now becoming available. MIT&#8217;s Haystack observatory has developed one that is running $7k for the base model &#8212; <a href="http://www.haystack.mit.edu/edu/undergrad/srt/index.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.haystack.mit.edu/edu/undergrad/srt/index.html</a></p>
<p>Now <i>that</i> is cool. You can do 21 cm from a city. When I move in to my retirement penthouse on 59th and Park (<a href="http://www.disco-disco.com/images/continental-platos.jpg)" rel="nofollow">http://www.disco-disco.com/images/continental-platos.jpg)</a>, I am totally going to bribe the city to put a dish up. Or N &#8212; I could have my own VLA!</p>
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		<title>By: Count Iblis</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2007/10/05/obsession/comment-page-1/#comment-32500</link>
		<dc:creator>Count Iblis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Oct 2007 18:08:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:HamRadioGirl.jpg&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Yvette in action&lt;/a&gt;  :)

This is a very interesting hobby. I only listen to shortwave stations, trying to pick up exotic radio stations from the noise, listening to air traffic communications on the other side of the world etc.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:HamRadioGirl.jpg" rel="nofollow">Yvette in action</a>  <img src='http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>This is a very interesting hobby. I only listen to shortwave stations, trying to pick up exotic radio stations from the noise, listening to air traffic communications on the other side of the world etc.</p>
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		<title>By: David Oesper</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2007/10/05/obsession/comment-page-1/#comment-32491</link>
		<dc:creator>David Oesper</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Oct 2007 08:02:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hope some of you will join our discussion group over in Yahooland called DarkSkyCommunities, linked above.  A great place to continue this discussion and to work together building communities with astronomy as a major emphasis!

Thanks,

David Oesper
Moderator, DarkSkyCommunities
Dodgeville, Wisconsin</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hope some of you will join our discussion group over in Yahooland called DarkSkyCommunities, linked above.  A great place to continue this discussion and to work together building communities with astronomy as a major emphasis!</p>
<p>Thanks,</p>
<p>David Oesper<br />
Moderator, DarkSkyCommunities<br />
Dodgeville, Wisconsin</p>
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		<title>By: John Baez</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Baez</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Oct 2007 05:28:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So how common is it for professional astronomers to not &lt;i&gt;looooove&lt;/i&gt; astronomy like the amateurs do?

And: is it really true that lots of professional astronomers don&#039;t know their constellations very well?  That seems weird to me - almost like a mathematician who never wanted to learn the first 10 or 20 digits of pi.  We grow out of that phase, but it&#039;s a good phase to have had.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So how common is it for professional astronomers to not <i>looooove</i> astronomy like the amateurs do?</p>
<p>And: is it really true that lots of professional astronomers don&#8217;t know their constellations very well?  That seems weird to me &#8211; almost like a mathematician who never wanted to learn the first 10 or 20 digits of pi.  We grow out of that phase, but it&#8217;s a good phase to have had.</p>
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		<title>By: Yvette</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2007/10/05/obsession/comment-page-1/#comment-32490</link>
		<dc:creator>Yvette</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Oct 2007 19:36:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;I am consistently charmed by the devotion of ham radio operators...&quot;

Well if you knew the magic of pulling your signal all the way to South Africa, or getting hundreds of cards in the mail, or talking to an astronaut from the International Space Station, you&#039;d be hooked too. :)

-KB3HTS</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I am consistently charmed by the devotion of ham radio operators&#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>Well if you knew the magic of pulling your signal all the way to South Africa, or getting hundreds of cards in the mail, or talking to an astronaut from the International Space Station, you&#8217;d be hooked too. <img src='http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>-KB3HTS</p>
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