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		<title>By: The lure of science pornography &#187; Undress Me Robot</title>
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		<dc:creator>The lure of science pornography &#187; Undress Me Robot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Feb 2008 17:05:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Or to put it another way, &#8220;It’s kind of an old-fashioned argument. Take a theory, use it to make a prediction, the prediction isn’t correct, and therefore the theory has been falsified!&#8221; [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Or to put it another way, &#8220;It’s kind of an old-fashioned argument. Take a theory, use it to make a prediction, the prediction isn’t correct, and therefore the theory has been falsified!&#8221; [...]</p>
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		<title>By: John Merryman</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2008/01/30/everyones-a-critic/comment-page-1/#comment-36642</link>
		<dc:creator>John Merryman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Feb 2008 11:52:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>An interesting article on the relationship between being and thinking;

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/02/05/health/05well.html?em&amp;ex=1202533200&amp;en=eed03831444e3786&amp;ei=5087%0A</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>An interesting article on the relationship between being and thinking;</p>
<p><a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2008/02/05/health/05well.html?em&amp;ex=1202533200&amp;en=eed03831444e3786&amp;ei=5087" rel="nofollow">http://www.nytimes.com/2008/02/05/health/05well.html?em&amp;ex=1202533200&amp;en=eed03831444e3786&amp;ei=5087</a></p>
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		<title>By: John Merryman</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2008/01/30/everyones-a-critic/comment-page-1/#comment-36641</link>
		<dc:creator>John Merryman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Feb 2008 03:02:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Qubit,

 Read my post #48. Your external reality is that structured reality that seems to be squeezing the life out of you, as it falls away into the past, as your internal reality rushes blindly into the future. If you want to connect to the eternity(but only if it really is bad, otherwise..) don&#039;t try and make sense of what you are told about the structure and order, insitutions, logic, top down rationality, but try and plug into the raw energy motivating it. It&#039;s like winter and spring. The order and structure is the hard shell of winter and the energy is the raw burst of growth of spring that breaks through, constantly pushing at the weak spots, like grass pushing through the concrete. The source of life is the essence out of which we rise, not an Ideal Form from which we fell.

 I have this saying that I can never feel sorry for myself because I read the paper every day. Our personal realities are like bubbles of awareness. Some rise to the surface, many are jostled around in the middle and most are ground into fertilizer at the bottom. Mother Nature creates life in order to consume it, giving sustenance to the next stage, as life bootstraps itself upward. If you want to escape your bubble, short of suicide, than try plugging into other people. Living beings consciousness exists as a sort of electrostatic connection between their interior and exterior reality. Have you ever seen or felt those spots in your vision? Feel your gaze controlled by subconscious attraction and rejection? Felt someone looking at you and turn to realize someone was? We can build $20 radios that can translate electromagnetic waves into forms of communication. I think that at some point in the future, we will be able to do some of this by mental control. I think one of the main reasons we don&#039;t do it already is because it does interfere with our ability to function autonomously. As a young child, I found that I had to consciously shut out the mental spillover from my siblings in order to develop my own ability to think. Since I ride horses for a living, I&#039;ve spent my life plugging into primitive minds. Civilization may claim to have the answers, but it is just hard crust on a raw beingness. The price we pay for being able to feel in the first place is that a lot of it is pain. Get used to it and develop thicker skin, cause it isn&#039;t going to change.
 As for the partying, hangovers happen.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Qubit,</p>
<p> Read my post #48. Your external reality is that structured reality that seems to be squeezing the life out of you, as it falls away into the past, as your internal reality rushes blindly into the future. If you want to connect to the eternity(but only if it really is bad, otherwise..) don&#8217;t try and make sense of what you are told about the structure and order, insitutions, logic, top down rationality, but try and plug into the raw energy motivating it. It&#8217;s like winter and spring. The order and structure is the hard shell of winter and the energy is the raw burst of growth of spring that breaks through, constantly pushing at the weak spots, like grass pushing through the concrete. The source of life is the essence out of which we rise, not an Ideal Form from which we fell.</p>
<p> I have this saying that I can never feel sorry for myself because I read the paper every day. Our personal realities are like bubbles of awareness. Some rise to the surface, many are jostled around in the middle and most are ground into fertilizer at the bottom. Mother Nature creates life in order to consume it, giving sustenance to the next stage, as life bootstraps itself upward. If you want to escape your bubble, short of suicide, than try plugging into other people. Living beings consciousness exists as a sort of electrostatic connection between their interior and exterior reality. Have you ever seen or felt those spots in your vision? Feel your gaze controlled by subconscious attraction and rejection? Felt someone looking at you and turn to realize someone was? We can build $20 radios that can translate electromagnetic waves into forms of communication. I think that at some point in the future, we will be able to do some of this by mental control. I think one of the main reasons we don&#8217;t do it already is because it does interfere with our ability to function autonomously. As a young child, I found that I had to consciously shut out the mental spillover from my siblings in order to develop my own ability to think. Since I ride horses for a living, I&#8217;ve spent my life plugging into primitive minds. Civilization may claim to have the answers, but it is just hard crust on a raw beingness. The price we pay for being able to feel in the first place is that a lot of it is pain. Get used to it and develop thicker skin, cause it isn&#8217;t going to change.<br />
 As for the partying, hangovers happen.</p>
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		<title>By: mathandphysics1</title>
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		<dc:creator>mathandphysics1</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Feb 2008 22:29:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Qubit

Party on dude</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Qubit</p>
<p>Party on dude</p>
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		<title>By: Qubit</title>
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		<dc:creator>Qubit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Feb 2008 21:42:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeh, your right John, but I just can&#039;t help myself. Reality is shit! I live in two worlds one that’s in my head and its story that been running for what seems like two universes, and then there is my life. My life does not seem like my life at all, I don’t remember ever having ability to think in anything other than pictures so the pictures I turned into a story, that story is amazing! Its always evolving and at certain times the two turn into one, pulling them apart is easy, I just prefer not to.

 It just looks like your trying to understand my story. The problem is that language is a real problem for me, so I am never going to be able to tell or prove to you, that you are just looking at me!
 If I were you, I would also spend an eternity trying to figure out, what it is i am, because &quot;I&quot; am amazing!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeh, your right John, but I just can&#8217;t help myself. Reality is shit! I live in two worlds one that’s in my head and its story that been running for what seems like two universes, and then there is my life. My life does not seem like my life at all, I don’t remember ever having ability to think in anything other than pictures so the pictures I turned into a story, that story is amazing! Its always evolving and at certain times the two turn into one, pulling them apart is easy, I just prefer not to.</p>
<p> It just looks like your trying to understand my story. The problem is that language is a real problem for me, so I am never going to be able to tell or prove to you, that you are just looking at me!<br />
 If I were you, I would also spend an eternity trying to figure out, what it is i am, because &#8220;I&#8221; am amazing!</p>
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		<title>By: John Merryman</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2008/01/30/everyones-a-critic/comment-page-1/#comment-36640</link>
		<dc:creator>John Merryman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Feb 2008 17:27:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sandy,

 I think one of the reasons people focus on the concept of now as a point in time is that motion is primarily at the speed of light and our brains don&#039;t totally process it in real time, as the information/energy would just be a blur. So the mind is a process of conceptual flashes, like frames of film. As we get older and more focused, we process these flashes faster and time seems to speed up. A good analogy is that our shutter speed gets faster. An interesting example of this may be a study I read of some years ago, about chain crashes in fog that was done in England. What they found was that as fog settled onto traffic, people would inexplicably speed up. My theory is that as their information intake was reduced, they subconsciously sought to increase it by increasing their speed. Just a theory.

 As a measure of motion, it would be meaningless to think of time as a point. Just as with temperature, the only absolute is zero, which is the complete absence of any motion in both cases.

 I do think an infinite universe is the simpler description.  Every point in space would be receiving energy from all directions and radiating it in all directions, thus creating a cycle of perpetual conservation of energy. With a finite universe, it would be subject to entropy and radiating this energy away, as the open Big Bang model proposes. This then requires an explanation for how the original source came to be. A closed BB model might say it does eventually collapse back together, but this argues for endless loops of time, ie. eternity. What if this process lost a little energy each time? Other dimensions, whatever. It would still be subject to entropy and eventually fade away. The only way to get around entropy is not to have a closed/finite universe in the first place.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sandy,</p>
<p> I think one of the reasons people focus on the concept of now as a point in time is that motion is primarily at the speed of light and our brains don&#8217;t totally process it in real time, as the information/energy would just be a blur. So the mind is a process of conceptual flashes, like frames of film. As we get older and more focused, we process these flashes faster and time seems to speed up. A good analogy is that our shutter speed gets faster. An interesting example of this may be a study I read of some years ago, about chain crashes in fog that was done in England. What they found was that as fog settled onto traffic, people would inexplicably speed up. My theory is that as their information intake was reduced, they subconsciously sought to increase it by increasing their speed. Just a theory.</p>
<p> As a measure of motion, it would be meaningless to think of time as a point. Just as with temperature, the only absolute is zero, which is the complete absence of any motion in both cases.</p>
<p> I do think an infinite universe is the simpler description.  Every point in space would be receiving energy from all directions and radiating it in all directions, thus creating a cycle of perpetual conservation of energy. With a finite universe, it would be subject to entropy and radiating this energy away, as the open Big Bang model proposes. This then requires an explanation for how the original source came to be. A closed BB model might say it does eventually collapse back together, but this argues for endless loops of time, ie. eternity. What if this process lost a little energy each time? Other dimensions, whatever. It would still be subject to entropy and eventually fade away. The only way to get around entropy is not to have a closed/finite universe in the first place.</p>
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		<title>By: Sandy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sandy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Feb 2008 03:26:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We can see a pattern of planets and stars the way they existed two thousand years ago written in photons. That much of the energy and information is conserved. It is far less than the actual energy that made up the planets and stars. We can&#039;t retrieve the actual planets and stars. I think JM has it right. Time is the result of motion. And conservation of energy is a novel argument against a persistent now.

It seems a much simpler description of the universe to say there is likely a finite amount of matter/energy with an infinite number of possible states and interactions; rather than that there is energy persisting in a possibly infinite and persistent present.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We can see a pattern of planets and stars the way they existed two thousand years ago written in photons. That much of the energy and information is conserved. It is far less than the actual energy that made up the planets and stars. We can&#8217;t retrieve the actual planets and stars. I think JM has it right. Time is the result of motion. And conservation of energy is a novel argument against a persistent now.</p>
<p>It seems a much simpler description of the universe to say there is likely a finite amount of matter/energy with an infinite number of possible states and interactions; rather than that there is energy persisting in a possibly infinite and persistent present.</p>
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		<title>By: John Merryman</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2008/01/30/everyones-a-critic/comment-page-1/#comment-36682</link>
		<dc:creator>John Merryman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Feb 2008 02:17:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sam,

 Temperature can also be a very precise measure of motion and it can be relativistic with regards to volume of space. If a certain level of energy is contained in a specific volume of space and this space was increased, the drop in temperature and density of the energy can be predicted, but that doesn&#039;t make temperature equivalent to volume. Time is the same. As duration it is a measure of motion, not the basis for it. If it wasn&#039;t an effective and accurate form of measurement, it wouldn&#039;t be very useful.

Qubit,

 Get your brain thinking about something else. When you&#039;ve finally focused on that, try thinking of some other thing. Just keep doing that until you get a lattice of thought patterns and use that as your control to measure what it is that is bothering you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sam,</p>
<p> Temperature can also be a very precise measure of motion and it can be relativistic with regards to volume of space. If a certain level of energy is contained in a specific volume of space and this space was increased, the drop in temperature and density of the energy can be predicted, but that doesn&#8217;t make temperature equivalent to volume. Time is the same. As duration it is a measure of motion, not the basis for it. If it wasn&#8217;t an effective and accurate form of measurement, it wouldn&#8217;t be very useful.</p>
<p>Qubit,</p>
<p> Get your brain thinking about something else. When you&#8217;ve finally focused on that, try thinking of some other thing. Just keep doing that until you get a lattice of thought patterns and use that as your control to measure what it is that is bothering you.</p>
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		<title>By: Qubit</title>
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		<dc:creator>Qubit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Feb 2008 22:57:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Something is wrong, none of this is right! We have been hit by something, somekind of cosmic anomily, time travel has occurred we have been knocked into an imaginary state.
Are you all sure that there is no object that is heading for us, it will be tiny about the size of a car but has the mass of our star and fast enough cut through our atmosphere in about a 2 seconds. Whatever it is, it is massive in mass and momentum. It has a pathway to follow, but it could drag me with it; I dont want to go back, I can&#039;t go back. What do I DO? I have asked this question because you lot seem to have all the answers!

I am not god, I am not the one! I am me, a man; a real man, but something about the last 7 years is definatly not real and its flowing from the future.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Something is wrong, none of this is right! We have been hit by something, somekind of cosmic anomily, time travel has occurred we have been knocked into an imaginary state.<br />
Are you all sure that there is no object that is heading for us, it will be tiny about the size of a car but has the mass of our star and fast enough cut through our atmosphere in about a 2 seconds. Whatever it is, it is massive in mass and momentum. It has a pathway to follow, but it could drag me with it; I dont want to go back, I can&#8217;t go back. What do I DO? I have asked this question because you lot seem to have all the answers!</p>
<p>I am not god, I am not the one! I am me, a man; a real man, but something about the last 7 years is definatly not real and its flowing from the future.</p>
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		<title>By: Sam Cox</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sam Cox</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Feb 2008 21:53:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>LC,

Appreciated your remarks on entanglement. As spooky as it seems, the principle follows logically- and technologically from the SR/GR/QM models- the experimentally validated fact of entanglement is evidence of a very important conceptual link between the models, and the veracity of the concepts.

JM,


&quot;Actually I am arguing with the description of time as a form of metadimension, where all events exist, much as different points in space can co-exist. Given that it’s the energy that’s conserved, it is the same energy that manifests as successive points in time, so it requires the dissolution of past events for future events to take their place.

The story is that it was Edgar Allen Poe who first proposed that space and &quot;duration&quot; are the same.&quot;

It is interesting- and I believe, significant- that time is usually treated as &quot;space-like&quot; in GR...with good success and no reduction in the accuracy of measurement.  This relates to Poes&#039; interesting assertion that space and duration are the same...though I&#039;m not sure he was the first to have the idea.

Just the fact that the speed of light separates events the way it does suggests that time is, in some way which is difficult for us 4D observers to understand, &quot;spacelike&quot;..that  &quot;time&quot; relates to the overall geometry of the universe- and cosmic structure (patterns of energy density concentration existing at invariant frames and within a manifold of some kind).

Its a hard pill to swallow, I know, but as we observe planets around stars two thousand light years distant, we observe both star and planet as they existed two thousand years ago. I cannot see that we have a choice in this matter...information and complexity in the universe are conserved, and with appropriate technology and/or within an appropriate geometry exist eternally intact...and could be retrieved.

Best, Sam Cox</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>LC,</p>
<p>Appreciated your remarks on entanglement. As spooky as it seems, the principle follows logically- and technologically from the SR/GR/QM models- the experimentally validated fact of entanglement is evidence of a very important conceptual link between the models, and the veracity of the concepts.</p>
<p>JM,</p>
<p>&#8220;Actually I am arguing with the description of time as a form of metadimension, where all events exist, much as different points in space can co-exist. Given that it’s the energy that’s conserved, it is the same energy that manifests as successive points in time, so it requires the dissolution of past events for future events to take their place.</p>
<p>The story is that it was Edgar Allen Poe who first proposed that space and &#8220;duration&#8221; are the same.&#8221;</p>
<p>It is interesting- and I believe, significant- that time is usually treated as &#8220;space-like&#8221; in GR&#8230;with good success and no reduction in the accuracy of measurement.  This relates to Poes&#8217; interesting assertion that space and duration are the same&#8230;though I&#8217;m not sure he was the first to have the idea.</p>
<p>Just the fact that the speed of light separates events the way it does suggests that time is, in some way which is difficult for us 4D observers to understand, &#8220;spacelike&#8221;..that  &#8220;time&#8221; relates to the overall geometry of the universe- and cosmic structure (patterns of energy density concentration existing at invariant frames and within a manifold of some kind).</p>
<p>Its a hard pill to swallow, I know, but as we observe planets around stars two thousand light years distant, we observe both star and planet as they existed two thousand years ago. I cannot see that we have a choice in this matter&#8230;information and complexity in the universe are conserved, and with appropriate technology and/or within an appropriate geometry exist eternally intact&#8230;and could be retrieved.</p>
<p>Best, Sam Cox</p>
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