Comments on: Chaos at the Polling Station! http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2008/02/05/chaos-at-the-polling-station/ Random samplings from a universe of ideas. Tue, 24 Nov 2009 01:04:49 -0600 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.4 hourly 1 By: Celeste http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2008/02/05/chaos-at-the-polling-station/comment-page-1/#comment-36836 Celeste Tue, 23 Sep 2008 23:31:06 +0000 http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2008/02/05/chaos-at-the-polling-station/#comment-36836 I worked as a poll person at the Libaray in Pasadena Feb 2008. We had Many, many voters who had lived at their address for 10 years and more, that were left off the Roster that day. Mostly DEMOCRATS. I helped people fill about 45 Provisional ballots, which was an ENORMOUS amount for a small precint. HMmmmm...? Trickery afoot with the printed rosters? That eve watching the news I found It was happening all over LA. Since we were smart enough to get rid of the Electronic voting Machines (with no paper trail) it seems we are now being attacked in another way. BEING LEFT OFF THE ROSTERS. Provisional Ballot are not counted till after a Decision has already been made and only then if its a close election. This is really BAD. In June I worked again at the polls and when I went to vote This time "I" was left off the Roster. I called the county Registars Office the next day, they assured me I was registered and I should have been on the Roster which meant whoever is printing out the Lists is at fault. After much searching I got ahold of Michael Petrucello of Technical Services by calling (562) 466-1310 and he is now supposedly trying to right the situation. He said he hadn't heard about problems when I told him about the 45 provisional ballots in Feb. I think we'll find that after the Presidential Election the Names left off, will "magically" re-appear back on the Rosters, If I were any of you that were left off the lists, you should check to see with the County Registars if you are registered and if so, and have been left off your precints Roster, Complain, Complain and Complain some more, Lodge complaints on the Hot line Above. Your RIGHTS are being taken from you. Cel I worked as a poll person at the Libaray in Pasadena Feb 2008. We had Many, many voters who had lived at their address for 10 years and more, that were left off the Roster that day. Mostly DEMOCRATS. I helped people fill about 45 Provisional ballots, which was an ENORMOUS amount for a small precint. HMmmmm…?
Trickery afoot with the printed rosters? That eve watching the news I found It was happening all over LA. Since we were smart enough to get rid of the Electronic voting Machines (with no paper trail) it seems we are now being attacked in another way. BEING LEFT OFF THE ROSTERS. Provisional Ballot are not counted till after a Decision has already been made and only then if its a close election. This is really BAD. In June I worked again at the polls and when I went to vote This time “I” was left off the Roster. I called the county Registars Office the next day, they assured me I was registered and I should have been on the Roster which meant whoever is printing out the Lists is at fault. After much searching I got ahold of Michael Petrucello of Technical Services by calling (562) 466-1310 and he is now supposedly trying to right the situation. He said he hadn’t heard about problems when I told him about the 45 provisional ballots in Feb. I think we’ll find that after the Presidential Election the Names left off, will “magically” re-appear back on the Rosters, If I were any of you that were left off the lists, you should check to see with the County Registars if you are registered and if so, and have been left off your precints Roster, Complain, Complain and Complain some more, Lodge complaints on the Hot line Above. Your RIGHTS are being taken from you.
Cel

]]> By: Rob J http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2008/02/05/chaos-at-the-polling-station/comment-page-1/#comment-36805 Rob J Tue, 12 Feb 2008 08:41:21 +0000 http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2008/02/05/chaos-at-the-polling-station/#comment-36805 You support an organization which excluded Ron Paul from speaking. This in itself is against science at it's core. Science is the search for truth. All science must include all circumstance. No ommission or fact or possible fact. If by your own action you create an outcome then your science is flawed. You know this!!!!! So don't complain. You brought it on yourself. Let Dr. and I repeat DOCTOR Ron Paul speak. You may not agree with him, but science seeks truth and required all the facts to make a decision. Otherwise you live in belief and religion and not fact. Look to your own for the problem and see your error of observation. You call yourself a scientist? hmmmmmmmmm "..it does not require a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority to set brush fires in people’s minds." — Samuel Adams "With public sentiment, nothing can fail; without it, nothing can succeed. Consequently he who molds public sentiment goes deeper than he who enacts statutes or pronounces decisions." — Abraham Lincoln "During times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act." — George Orwell "The state can’t give you free speech, and the state can’t take it away. You’re born with it, like your eyes, like your ears. Freedom is something you assume, then you wait for someone to try to take it away. The degree to which you resist is the degree to which you are free..." — Utah Phillips quixotic quest You support an organization which excluded Ron Paul from speaking. This in itself is against science at it’s core.
Science is the search for truth. All science must include all circumstance. No ommission or fact or possible fact.
If by your own action you create an outcome then your science is flawed.
You know this!!!!!
So don’t complain. You brought it on yourself. Let Dr. and I repeat DOCTOR Ron Paul speak. You may not agree with him, but science seeks truth and required all the facts to make a decision. Otherwise you live in belief and religion and not fact.
Look to your own for the problem and see your error of observation. You call yourself a scientist? hmmmmmmmmm
“..it does not require a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority to set brush fires in people’s minds.”
— Samuel Adams
“With public sentiment, nothing can fail; without it, nothing can succeed. Consequently he who molds public sentiment goes deeper than he who enacts statutes or pronounces decisions.” — Abraham Lincoln
“During times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act.” — George Orwell
“The state can’t give you free speech, and the state can’t take it away. You’re born with it, like your eyes, like your ears. Freedom is something you assume, then you wait for someone to try to take it away. The degree to which you resist is the degree to which you are free…”
— Utah Phillips

quixotic quest

]]> By: Sean http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2008/02/05/chaos-at-the-polling-station/comment-page-1/#comment-36819 Sean Fri, 08 Feb 2008 20:12:57 +0000 http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2008/02/05/chaos-at-the-polling-station/#comment-36819 Just what I need... Just what I need…

]]> By: Christopher Hirata http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2008/02/05/chaos-at-the-polling-station/comment-page-1/#comment-36818 Christopher Hirata Fri, 08 Feb 2008 18:58:18 +0000 http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2008/02/05/chaos-at-the-polling-station/#comment-36818 Sean, You should contest your parking ticket. Hire a large team of lawyers to argue that metering the parking around the polling place is an unconstitutional poll tax. It might be more expensive than just paying the ticket but it would be a lot more interesting. Sean,

You should contest your parking ticket. Hire a large team of lawyers to argue that metering the parking around the polling place is an unconstitutional poll tax. It might be more expensive than just paying the ticket but it would be a lot more interesting.

]]> By: Maynard Handley http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2008/02/05/chaos-at-the-polling-station/comment-page-1/#comment-36810 Maynard Handley Thu, 07 Feb 2008 22:03:34 +0000 http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2008/02/05/chaos-at-the-polling-station/#comment-36810 "I understand that the United States is slowly and painfully making it way toward becoming a functioning modern technological society, and wish it all the best during the difficult transition." But still it has too few facilities where I can go to pasteurize my children! (http://3quarksdaily.blogs.com/3quarksdaily/2008/02/selected-minor.html) “I understand that the United States is slowly and painfully making it way toward becoming a functioning modern technological society, and wish it all the best during the difficult transition.”

But still it has too few facilities where I can go to pasteurize my children!
(http://3quarksdaily.blogs.com/3quarksdaily/2008/02/selected-minor.html)

]]> By: Tony Smith http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2008/02/05/chaos-at-the-polling-station/comment-page-1/#comment-36817 Tony Smith Thu, 07 Feb 2008 21:36:22 +0000 http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2008/02/05/chaos-at-the-polling-station/#comment-36817 Sean, you said that you were voting in "Downtown LA" where there were "About five Democrats for every one Republican". Was it likely that most of the voters there were for Obama? If so, could the difficulties have been at least in part attributed to pro-Clinton "establishment" dirty-trick efforts to reduce the Obama vote? After all, such things enabled Bush to defeat McCain in the key Republican South Carolina primary in 2000. According to an LA Times article on 7 Feb 2008 by Richard C. Paddock "... acting Los Angeles County Registrar Dean Logan said Wednesday that his office will examine more than 94,000 ballots cast by nonpartisan voters to determine how many votes for presidential candidates may have gone uncounted. Logan said he also will try to determine whether the uncounted ballots would make a difference in the way delegates are apportioned between the Democratic presidential candidates and, if so, will seek legal approval to count as many as possible. ... decline-to-state voters in the county ... discovered too late that they were required to mark a bubble on the ballot denoting which party primary they were voting in. Some complained that poll workers told them not to mark the bubble; others said they were unaware of the requirement, which is unique to L.A. County ... Exit polls showed that Sen. Barack Obama had a strong appeal among California voters who defined themselves as independent (regardless of their party registration), leading Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton by 58% to 34% in this category. ..". Tony Smith Sean, you said that you were voting in “Downtown LA” where there were “About five Democrats for every one Republican”.

Was it likely that most of the voters there were for Obama?
If so, could the difficulties have been at least in part attributed to pro-Clinton “establishment” dirty-trick efforts to reduce the Obama vote?
After all,
such things enabled Bush to defeat McCain in the key Republican South Carolina primary in 2000.
According to an LA Times article on 7 Feb 2008 by Richard C. Paddock
“… acting Los Angeles County Registrar Dean Logan said Wednesday that his office will examine more than 94,000 ballots cast by nonpartisan voters to determine how many votes for presidential candidates may have gone uncounted.
Logan said he also will try to determine whether the uncounted ballots would make a difference in the way delegates are apportioned between the Democratic presidential candidates and, if so, will seek legal approval to count as many as possible. …
decline-to-state voters in the county … discovered too late that they were required to mark a bubble on the ballot denoting which party primary they were voting in. Some complained that poll workers told them not to mark the bubble; others said they were unaware of the requirement, which is unique to L.A. County …
Exit polls showed that Sen. Barack Obama had a strong appeal among California voters who defined themselves as independent (regardless of their party registration), leading Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton by 58% to 34% in this category. ..”.

Tony Smith

]]> By: Yvette http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2008/02/05/chaos-at-the-polling-station/comment-page-1/#comment-36834 Yvette Wed, 06 Feb 2008 18:48:29 +0000 http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2008/02/05/chaos-at-the-polling-station/#comment-36834 Speaking as someone who's worked as a Cuyahoga County election official (in Ohio)... wow. I am proud to report that that would never fly around here, because Ohio runs a pretty decent system and you need to go to training to be a poll worker before the actual thing. Though there are other problems to be had around here, particularly as it's a swing state so things can matter a lot more. For example, during the 2004 presidential election we were happy in our precinct because no dead people showed up to vote... Speaking as someone who’s worked as a Cuyahoga County election official (in Ohio)… wow. I am proud to report that that would never fly around here, because Ohio runs a pretty decent system and you need to go to training to be a poll worker before the actual thing.

Though there are other problems to be had around here, particularly as it’s a swing state so things can matter a lot more. For example, during the 2004 presidential election we were happy in our precinct because no dead people showed up to vote…

]]> By: Patti http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2008/02/05/chaos-at-the-polling-station/comment-page-1/#comment-36816 Patti Wed, 06 Feb 2008 17:59:29 +0000 http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2008/02/05/chaos-at-the-polling-station/#comment-36816 I voted in the Miracle Mile are of LA. I was on the supplemental list, and they tried to give me a provisional ballot. I had to correct them and say that as long as my name was on the list, I got a regular ballot. After a little polite back and forth, they agreed. They also asked for id , which is not required, and I had to correct them on that, too. To be fair, I'm not sure if they were requiring that, or were just asking so they could more easily look up the names by having the id to look at. Mostly I'm glad that for once the CA primary counts for something. I can't believe how stupid our election/voting process is. I voted in the Miracle Mile are of LA. I was on the supplemental list, and they tried to give me a provisional ballot. I had to correct them and say that as long as my name was on the list, I got a regular ballot. After a little polite back and forth, they agreed.

They also asked for id , which is not required, and I had to correct them on that, too. To be fair, I’m not sure if they were requiring that, or were just asking so they could more easily look up the names by having the id to look at.

Mostly I’m glad that for once the CA primary counts for something. I can’t believe how stupid our election/voting process is.

]]> By: Seth http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2008/02/05/chaos-at-the-polling-station/comment-page-1/#comment-36815 Seth Wed, 06 Feb 2008 15:21:21 +0000 http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2008/02/05/chaos-at-the-polling-station/#comment-36815 SLC, I do exactly that, from the center of Geneva to CERN. It all depends on where you live. SLC, I do exactly that, from the center of Geneva to CERN. It all depends on where you live.

]]> By: SLC http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2008/02/05/chaos-at-the-polling-station/comment-page-1/#comment-36814 SLC Wed, 06 Feb 2008 13:11:08 +0000 http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2008/02/05/chaos-at-the-polling-station/#comment-36814 Re Peggy I realize that the CIT campus and downtown LA are not too far apart. However, it is rather unusual for someone to commute from a downtown area to a suburban location. Re Peggy

I realize that the CIT campus and downtown LA are not too far apart. However, it is rather unusual for someone to commute from a downtown area to a suburban location.

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