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		<title>By: would be advisor</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2008/03/28/grad-school-open-thread/comment-page-1/#comment-38501</link>
		<dc:creator>would be advisor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Apr 2008 03:52:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh wait! I just thought of something. Maybe I should contact this guy&#039;s PhD advisor and see if he knows wtf is up with this situation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh wait! I just thought of something. Maybe I should contact this guy&#8217;s PhD advisor and see if he knows wtf is up with this situation.</p>
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		<title>By: Fermi-Walker Transport</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2008/03/28/grad-school-open-thread/comment-page-1/#comment-38502</link>
		<dc:creator>Fermi-Walker Transport</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Apr 2008 02:14:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, ones fit with ones adviser is crucial. I did not get along at all with mine. We would only meet maybe twice a year. All other communication was by email which was maybe once every few weeks. Unfortunately, the other academics were afraid of this guy. I did though finish my thesis in just over five years and I was lucky to find a scientist at another institution in the same city who informally became deputy adviser. Not too long ago, I checked the papers of all those students who worked with my former adviser. I found that only 1 out of I think 14 had anything to do with him after they graduated.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, ones fit with ones adviser is crucial. I did not get along at all with mine. We would only meet maybe twice a year. All other communication was by email which was maybe once every few weeks. Unfortunately, the other academics were afraid of this guy. I did though finish my thesis in just over five years and I was lucky to find a scientist at another institution in the same city who informally became deputy adviser. Not too long ago, I checked the papers of all those students who worked with my former adviser. I found that only 1 out of I think 14 had anything to do with him after they graduated.</p>
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		<title>By: would be advisor</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2008/03/28/grad-school-open-thread/comment-page-1/#comment-38524</link>
		<dc:creator>would be advisor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Apr 2008 20:08:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks, Baja Fresh. If you have any suggestions that I didn&#039;t already think of, just let me know.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, Baja Fresh. If you have any suggestions that I didn&#8217;t already think of, just let me know.</p>
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		<title>By: Baja Fresh</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2008/03/28/grad-school-open-thread/comment-page-1/#comment-38523</link>
		<dc:creator>Baja Fresh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Apr 2008 17:10:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>would be advisor,

You seem so clueless that you shouldn&#039;t really be in a position to advise a student!  If the ghost student was signing up for credit, just fail him/her.  Or at the very least you should just drop the student email asking what&#039;s up and what your plans should be before taking any nasty action (like above).

Damn!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>would be advisor,</p>
<p>You seem so clueless that you shouldn&#8217;t really be in a position to advise a student!  If the ghost student was signing up for credit, just fail him/her.  Or at the very least you should just drop the student email asking what&#8217;s up and what your plans should be before taking any nasty action (like above).</p>
<p>Damn!</p>
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		<title>By: would be advisor</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2008/03/28/grad-school-open-thread/comment-page-1/#comment-38522</link>
		<dc:creator>would be advisor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Apr 2008 03:22:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I had never had a student until this semester when a student enrolled with me to do a masters thesis. But they haven&#039;t bothered to contact me all semester. What should I do now?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I had never had a student until this semester when a student enrolled with me to do a masters thesis. But they haven&#8217;t bothered to contact me all semester. What should I do now?</p>
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		<title>By: Baja Fresh</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2008/03/28/grad-school-open-thread/comment-page-1/#comment-38500</link>
		<dc:creator>Baja Fresh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Apr 2008 23:13:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If you are seriously set on pursuing an academic career, you really need to work for an advisor who has a &quot;proven&quot; track record of placing graduates into good academic positions.

As a prospective student, you should not be afraid to ask for exactly how the graduates from the specific program/lab/advisor have been performing on the job market.  For some advisors you can do this by looking at his/her CV and a bit of googling on the web, stalking those whom you have never even seen before.  I think getting that info really is the only way to predict how you might typically end up after getting a degree with the advisor.  If his/her past students have been performing well, the advisor is often very happy to let you know that.  If not, well, you will be taking a chance with that advisor.

And if you find out that you are not a good match with your advisor for your goal, you should not be afraid at all to switch advisors or transfer to another school at an &quot;early&quot; phase.  I&#039;ve seen so many students doing that to end up with a better situation for themselves.  Good luck!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you are seriously set on pursuing an academic career, you really need to work for an advisor who has a &#8220;proven&#8221; track record of placing graduates into good academic positions.</p>
<p>As a prospective student, you should not be afraid to ask for exactly how the graduates from the specific program/lab/advisor have been performing on the job market.  For some advisors you can do this by looking at his/her CV and a bit of googling on the web, stalking those whom you have never even seen before.  I think getting that info really is the only way to predict how you might typically end up after getting a degree with the advisor.  If his/her past students have been performing well, the advisor is often very happy to let you know that.  If not, well, you will be taking a chance with that advisor.</p>
<p>And if you find out that you are not a good match with your advisor for your goal, you should not be afraid at all to switch advisors or transfer to another school at an &#8220;early&#8221; phase.  I&#8217;ve seen so many students doing that to end up with a better situation for themselves.  Good luck!!</p>
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		<title>By: Hope</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2008/03/28/grad-school-open-thread/comment-page-1/#comment-38521</link>
		<dc:creator>Hope</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Apr 2008 18:33:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with those that say your happiness and success in a PhD program have a lot to do with your advisor.

HOWEVER ...

Deciding that someone would make a great advisor for you based on one good meeting makes about as much sense as deciding to marry someone after a good first date. I think that the most one can hope for from these campus visits is to identify places that are obvious &quot;no&#039;s&quot; (i.e. students seem uniformly unhappy, your dream advisor acts like a jerk, etc.). Beyond that, my advice is to go somewhere where there are at least two or three professors that you could see yourself working with. Then take their classes, go to their office hours, and after a semester of meaningful contact, make your choice.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with those that say your happiness and success in a PhD program have a lot to do with your advisor.</p>
<p>HOWEVER &#8230;</p>
<p>Deciding that someone would make a great advisor for you based on one good meeting makes about as much sense as deciding to marry someone after a good first date. I think that the most one can hope for from these campus visits is to identify places that are obvious &#8220;no&#8217;s&#8221; (i.e. students seem uniformly unhappy, your dream advisor acts like a jerk, etc.). Beyond that, my advice is to go somewhere where there are at least two or three professors that you could see yourself working with. Then take their classes, go to their office hours, and after a semester of meaningful contact, make your choice.</p>
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		<title>By: Hektor Bim</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2008/03/28/grad-school-open-thread/comment-page-1/#comment-38520</link>
		<dc:creator>Hektor Bim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Apr 2008 13:00:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Finding out whether students hate their lives is very important for the first year or two, but after that it really depends on your advisor.  One crucial point that other people haven&#039;t brought up - try to find out how a prospective advisor&#039;s previous students did.  Did the advisor call their friends and try to help them get a job, or did they do nothing but write recommendation letters?

Do students take 10 years to finish in that lab and still not get good jobs afterward?

Also, one more thing - it is vastly easier to get an academic job as an experimentalist in physics.  There is no comparison - your life will be easier and smoother on average (fewer postdocs, far more likely to get  a tenure track position, more positions to apply for, etc.).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Finding out whether students hate their lives is very important for the first year or two, but after that it really depends on your advisor.  One crucial point that other people haven&#8217;t brought up &#8211; try to find out how a prospective advisor&#8217;s previous students did.  Did the advisor call their friends and try to help them get a job, or did they do nothing but write recommendation letters?</p>
<p>Do students take 10 years to finish in that lab and still not get good jobs afterward?</p>
<p>Also, one more thing &#8211; it is vastly easier to get an academic job as an experimentalist in physics.  There is no comparison &#8211; your life will be easier and smoother on average (fewer postdocs, far more likely to get  a tenure track position, more positions to apply for, etc.).</p>
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		<title>By: Mark</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2008/03/28/grad-school-open-thread/comment-page-1/#comment-38499</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Apr 2008 12:11:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi leaveareply,

This is essentially what I did. It most certainly doesn&#039;t work against you. The biggest problem is that you might not get enough credit for it, in terms of waiving required classes, as you might like. Many schools will allow you to try to take their qualifying exam immediately (rather than after a year), and if you get some samples from them and practice over the previous summer, you&#039;d probably be well prepared to do that. This would get you into research earlier.

Your higher preparation will be valued by potential advisors in general.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi leaveareply,</p>
<p>This is essentially what I did. It most certainly doesn&#8217;t work against you. The biggest problem is that you might not get enough credit for it, in terms of waiving required classes, as you might like. Many schools will allow you to try to take their qualifying exam immediately (rather than after a year), and if you get some samples from them and practice over the previous summer, you&#8217;d probably be well prepared to do that. This would get you into research earlier.</p>
<p>Your higher preparation will be valued by potential advisors in general.</p>
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		<title>By: Sean</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2008/03/28/grad-school-open-thread/comment-page-1/#comment-38514</link>
		<dc:creator>Sean</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Apr 2008 03:40:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually that&#039;s pretty common, in my experience.  You will basically have to start from scratch in grad school in the US, but you&#039;ll be much better prepared than average.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually that&#8217;s pretty common, in my experience.  You will basically have to start from scratch in grad school in the US, but you&#8217;ll be much better prepared than average.</p>
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