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		<title>By: Mike</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Jul 2009 08:54:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Having used my 15c since 1983 it has finally died. A very sad day indeed.
Being a Land  Surveyor it had a hard life out on site in all weathers. Having dropped it numerous times and expecting the worse ,it always survived. I think I replaced its batteries about 5 times over its life, say every 5 years. I loved it due to its size which fitted perfectly in your pocket,so robust and easy to use.
Have decided to purchase a i Phone and obtain the 15c emulator.(but its not going on site)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Having used my 15c since 1983 it has finally died. A very sad day indeed.<br />
Being a Land  Surveyor it had a hard life out on site in all weathers. Having dropped it numerous times and expecting the worse ,it always survived. I think I replaced its batteries about 5 times over its life, say every 5 years. I loved it due to its size which fitted perfectly in your pocket,so robust and easy to use.<br />
Have decided to purchase a i Phone and obtain the 15c emulator.(but its not going on site)</p>
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		<title>By: Alex</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alex</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Jun 2009 16:23:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s here! HP 15C emulator, $29.99 in the App Store.
http://news.cnet.com/8301-17938_105-10273119-1.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s here! HP 15C emulator, $29.99 in the App Store.<br />
<a href="http://news.cnet.com/8301-17938_105-10273119-1.html" rel="nofollow">http://news.cnet.com/8301-17938_105-10273119-1.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Bob J.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bob J.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 May 2009 13:27:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My loyalty is with the HP-25 (my first calculator - got me through college) and the 41C (I practically did backflips when I noticed it had alpha keys - used it in the Navy to do all kinds of stuff).  I own four 41C&#039;s - got a bunch for free when a previous employer was junking theirs (replaced by PC&#039;s).  HP RPN machines RULE!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My loyalty is with the HP-25 (my first calculator &#8211; got me through college) and the 41C (I practically did backflips when I noticed it had alpha keys &#8211; used it in the Navy to do all kinds of stuff).  I own four 41C&#8217;s &#8211; got a bunch for free when a previous employer was junking theirs (replaced by PC&#8217;s).  HP RPN machines RULE!</p>
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		<title>By: Chris</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2008/04/02/the-best-calculator-ever/#comment-38665</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Feb 2009 16:23:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I used my HP 15C in college way back in the mid-80&#039;s. It got me through calculus, physics, modern physics, statics, and circuits before my backpack got stolen. I&#039;m not sure when they stopped making them, but I replaced it with a 28C instead of a 15C. The 28C is great and still works, but it definitely missed something compared to the 15C.

I&#039;d tried several of the other RPN calculators on the iPhone (including a very nice 41C emulator), but they never felt right and I had to hunt-and-peck too much to figure out the keys. When I saw the 15C emulator, I spent $20 for it (the most money I&#039;ve spent on a single app).

Here&#039;s the weird psychological thing. I haven&#039;t touched a real 15C in a bit over 20 years, but my fingers still remembered where most of the keys were and I can tap out problems pretty quickly on the iPhone. Even without tactile feedback, it &quot;feels&quot; like a 15C. As geeky as this sounds, I&#039;ve actually dug out some math problems to solve just because I&#039;m so happy to have a 15C again...

Once I found a scan of the 15C manual, I was all set. They really don&#039;t write calculator manuals like that anymore, either.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I used my HP 15C in college way back in the mid-80&#8242;s. It got me through calculus, physics, modern physics, statics, and circuits before my backpack got stolen. I&#8217;m not sure when they stopped making them, but I replaced it with a 28C instead of a 15C. The 28C is great and still works, but it definitely missed something compared to the 15C.</p>
<p>I&#8217;d tried several of the other RPN calculators on the iPhone (including a very nice 41C emulator), but they never felt right and I had to hunt-and-peck too much to figure out the keys. When I saw the 15C emulator, I spent $20 for it (the most money I&#8217;ve spent on a single app).</p>
<p>Here&#8217;s the weird psychological thing. I haven&#8217;t touched a real 15C in a bit over 20 years, but my fingers still remembered where most of the keys were and I can tap out problems pretty quickly on the iPhone. Even without tactile feedback, it &#8220;feels&#8221; like a 15C. As geeky as this sounds, I&#8217;ve actually dug out some math problems to solve just because I&#8217;m so happy to have a 15C again&#8230;</p>
<p>Once I found a scan of the 15C manual, I was all set. They really don&#8217;t write calculator manuals like that anymore, either.</p>
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		<title>By: Carlos</title>
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		<dc:creator>Carlos</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Dec 2008 18:10:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am using athe hp 15c that belonged to may father , I have using since school to college, like 12 years almost, its amazing hoy it&#039;s work, I think I&#039;ll never change it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am using athe hp 15c that belonged to may father , I have using since school to college, like 12 years almost, its amazing hoy it&#8217;s work, I think I&#8217;ll never change it.</p>
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		<title>By: Lou</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lou</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Oct 2008 00:16:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I had my HP15c from 1982 to 1983. I found that there was nothing
that could do complex number calculations better (split stack!).
*Sigh*</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I had my HP15c from 1982 to 1983. I found that there was nothing<br />
that could do complex number calculations better (split stack!).<br />
*Sigh*</p>
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		<title>By: Ferval Lankman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ferval Lankman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Sep 2008 21:56:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>On a whim, I did a Google search for a very specific attribute of my HP11C: I have never once changed its batteries since receiving it as a gift during my junior year of high school (&#039;85-&#039;86). It&#039;s interesting to see that so many others have had the same experience.

The days of smiling quietly to myself when people asked to borrow it and ignored my warnings of &quot;if you haven&#039;t used one before you probably won&#039;t be able to add 2 and 2&quot; are long gone, but this is easily the object I would miss most if it were to disappear off my desk.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>On a whim, I did a Google search for a very specific attribute of my HP11C: I have never once changed its batteries since receiving it as a gift during my junior year of high school (&#8217;85-&#8217;86). It&#8217;s interesting to see that so many others have had the same experience.</p>
<p>The days of smiling quietly to myself when people asked to borrow it and ignored my warnings of &#8220;if you haven&#8217;t used one before you probably won&#8217;t be able to add 2 and 2&#8243; are long gone, but this is easily the object I would miss most if it were to disappear off my desk.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2008/04/02/the-best-calculator-ever/#comment-38661</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Apr 2008 13:09:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The HP15C was truly a classic - it was part of a series: HP41C, HP10C, HP11C, HP12C, HP15C &amp; HP16C.  All used precisely the same custom-designed 56-bit (!) HP microprocessor - the only difference between them was the final metal mask layer which slightly customized the microcode with the largest difference being between the 41 and the 10-seres.  The clock rate of the 10-series is slower than the 41 in order to save power and and all are in the 100  KHz range which was slow even in its day (which was typically 2-6 MHz (20-60x); compare than with 2-6 GHz today - 1000x).  The design of this family actually dates back to the mid-1970s yet the business brother of the 15C, the 12C, has remained in production.  I still have and use my HP 16C - which has boolean and digital calculations.

HP calculators have only gone down hill since the late 90s.  Sadly at the turn of the millennium HP decided it wasn&#039;t worth the effort to do much product R&amp;D anymore.  To quote their director of supply chains in 1999: &quot;We&#039;ll let Intel do our hardware R&amp;D, Microsoft will do our software R&amp;D and we&#039;ll own the supply chain&quot;.  HP Corvallis calculator operations had already been moved to Australia and not long after in 2001 the Australian operation was shutdown and the calculator division was moved to Singapore.  At that point calculator design and manufacture was largely outsourced.

The result was the &quot;return to the market mediocre&quot; loss of RPN.  Only market demand seems to have resulted in a grudging implementation in the latest versions.  At this point you&#039;d have to hold a gun to my head AND pay me to even accept possession of a new HP calculator, which is quite a reversal for someone who was an early and long-standing PPC member, 30-year user of HP calculators and 10-year veteran of HP itself!  They are *so* bad.  The sad part is they&#039;ve lost the very thing that allowed the higher product margins which funded the features which locked-in engineering students and elite users who could afford the prices.   Break the cycle and you have to compete with the dogs!

The best hope for having a revived 10-series is to look to non-HP sources - i.e. the enthusiasts and hackers.  This community has historically been amazingly technical.  Back in the day these folks &quot;discovered&quot; synthetic programming which is a back door into the HP41&#039;s firmware.  I was a hardcore synthetic programmer back in college.  Several calculator enthusiast groups on the web have voiced a desire (and sort of started) attempts to create from scratch RPN/RPL calculators in the original HP spirit.

I think the biggest problem is they are probably biting off too much to both create the hardware and extend it.  Reproducing an HP 15C with modern components without trying to go too far beyond is quite doable and probably with some impressive speed/power performance.  A single current FPGAs could trivially implement the entire hardware of a 10-series which originally had several ICs (the original 10-series used an early form of surface mount).

It&#039;s always about time however.  For example I&#039;ve completely reverse engineered and built HP-IL (calculator networking for the HP41, HP71, HP75) from the ground up with modern off-the-shelf components but I haven&#039;t had time to do much with it let alone document and publish how to do it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The HP15C was truly a classic &#8211; it was part of a series: HP41C, HP10C, HP11C, HP12C, HP15C &amp; HP16C.  All used precisely the same custom-designed 56-bit (!) HP microprocessor &#8211; the only difference between them was the final metal mask layer which slightly customized the microcode with the largest difference being between the 41 and the 10-seres.  The clock rate of the 10-series is slower than the 41 in order to save power and and all are in the 100  KHz range which was slow even in its day (which was typically 2-6 MHz (20-60x); compare than with 2-6 GHz today &#8211; 1000x).  The design of this family actually dates back to the mid-1970s yet the business brother of the 15C, the 12C, has remained in production.  I still have and use my HP 16C &#8211; which has boolean and digital calculations.</p>
<p>HP calculators have only gone down hill since the late 90s.  Sadly at the turn of the millennium HP decided it wasn&#8217;t worth the effort to do much product R&amp;D anymore.  To quote their director of supply chains in 1999: &#8220;We&#8217;ll let Intel do our hardware R&amp;D, Microsoft will do our software R&amp;D and we&#8217;ll own the supply chain&#8221;.  HP Corvallis calculator operations had already been moved to Australia and not long after in 2001 the Australian operation was shutdown and the calculator division was moved to Singapore.  At that point calculator design and manufacture was largely outsourced.</p>
<p>The result was the &#8220;return to the market mediocre&#8221; loss of RPN.  Only market demand seems to have resulted in a grudging implementation in the latest versions.  At this point you&#8217;d have to hold a gun to my head AND pay me to even accept possession of a new HP calculator, which is quite a reversal for someone who was an early and long-standing PPC member, 30-year user of HP calculators and 10-year veteran of HP itself!  They are *so* bad.  The sad part is they&#8217;ve lost the very thing that allowed the higher product margins which funded the features which locked-in engineering students and elite users who could afford the prices.   Break the cycle and you have to compete with the dogs!</p>
<p>The best hope for having a revived 10-series is to look to non-HP sources &#8211; i.e. the enthusiasts and hackers.  This community has historically been amazingly technical.  Back in the day these folks &#8220;discovered&#8221; synthetic programming which is a back door into the HP41&#8242;s firmware.  I was a hardcore synthetic programmer back in college.  Several calculator enthusiast groups on the web have voiced a desire (and sort of started) attempts to create from scratch RPN/RPL calculators in the original HP spirit.</p>
<p>I think the biggest problem is they are probably biting off too much to both create the hardware and extend it.  Reproducing an HP 15C with modern components without trying to go too far beyond is quite doable and probably with some impressive speed/power performance.  A single current FPGAs could trivially implement the entire hardware of a 10-series which originally had several ICs (the original 10-series used an early form of surface mount).</p>
<p>It&#8217;s always about time however.  For example I&#8217;ve completely reverse engineered and built HP-IL (calculator networking for the HP41, HP71, HP75) from the ground up with modern off-the-shelf components but I haven&#8217;t had time to do much with it let alone document and publish how to do it.</p>
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		<title>By: Greg</title>
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		<dc:creator>Greg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Apr 2008 02:38:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bought my HP15c in the early 80&#039;s and I use it all the time.  I love it!

Thin. Elegant. Well built.  RPN. Wonderful.  When HP was still an electrical engineering company.  The real HP is now Agilent.

My iMac has an RPN calculator.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bought my HP15c in the early 80&#8242;s and I use it all the time.  I love it!</p>
<p>Thin. Elegant. Well built.  RPN. Wonderful.  When HP was still an electrical engineering company.  The real HP is now Agilent.</p>
<p>My iMac has an RPN calculator.</p>
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		<title>By: Luc</title>
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		<dc:creator>Luc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Apr 2008 15:20:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey, I am looking into buying a calculator for my Blackberry. I can choose from the 10B, the 10C and the 12C. Which one do you recommend? Thanks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey, I am looking into buying a calculator for my Blackberry. I can choose from the 10B, the 10C and the 12C. Which one do you recommend? Thanks.</p>
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