Wayne

I hope all goes well. Good luck with the operation.

I wanted to tell you I have to have the second spinal operation in six months (for a thoracic disc herniation I got doing heavy lifting overseas) later this week.

So, I’ll look in on the blog as I can, but my participation will be more “off and on” for a while. I find participation on Sean’s blog to be very informative, interesting and a real pleasure!

Best, Sam

The point I’ve been making is that time is a consequence of motion, rather than the basis for it. Yes, the relationship is mathematically precise, but than so is the relationship between temperature and volume space, but we don’t argue temperature is an additional parameter of volume space, as we argue that time is an additional dimension of distance space.

The difference between viewing time as a consequence of motion, rather than the basis for it is that as motion forms specific configurations, it then changes to new configurations. So to the extent that reality would simply be energy defining space, the events being created go from future potential to past circumstance. Therefore, as a measure and description of motion, rather than the basis for it, the series of events called time actually goes future to past, as the physical reality goes the other way, from past events to future ones.

As I’ve pointed out, this affects various conundrums from Zeno’s Paradox to the Uncertainty Principle, since it would be meaningless to describe the present as a point because this would be equivalent to a temperature of absolute zero and reality would cease to exist.

Just as the water goes downhill and the waterfall goes uphill, to the hands of the clock, it is the face that is going counterclockwise, from future to past. As the earth and sun go from past days to future ones, these days go from being in the future to being in the past. Even a vibrating string goes from past vibrations to future ones, as these vibrations which define it go from being in the future to being in the past. Energy goes past to future, as the information defining it goes from future to past.

It’s clear you understand the concept quite well, and remembered that I said that the whole basis of existence in this kind of a universe is the observation of “action” on a complex set of particulate 4D event horizon surfaces at a specific set of coordinates in the manifold…therefore talking about observing the whole structure as blowing us away was an oxymoron (I won’t check it, but I think that’s the word)…an impossibility. Observing the while thing would be like being 250 feet from an exploding 100 megaton nuke!…just a flash of light- no experience at all!

I believe one of the secrets of staying “open” is not taking ourselves too seriously…being able to have a good laugh, and appreciate what Stephen Hawking said even more…”The universe just IS”. Understanding the universe might bring some kind of personal satisfaction and lead to a great technology, but so what? In the end, those things exist somewhere in the manifold anyway. I don’t think these great scientific triumphs are any more cosmologically significant than the first reproducing organism, or the first organic molecule. When we measure anything, the units we select and what we observe are in a sense arbitrary- related only to the way the universe is observed from an assigned or selected frame.

I don’t doubt you for a minute when you observe that there seems to be something very special about time as opposed to the other spatial dimensions. I think however that the fact that treating time as spacelike in GR gives precise solutions IS significant. If time, as stange as it seems to us, really had a different “essence” we would logically expect that using time as a simple spacelike dimension in GR would affect the predictive capacity of the concept- and it does not.

Relativity is totally incredible…

I know you understand how opposites define reality, the two sides of the merry-go-round going opposite directions, the water going downstream, as the falls works its way upstream, but I’m still trying to make the point that the dimensional description of reality is a static model, not the actual basis of reality and it doesn’t effectively describe the consequences of a dynamic process.
It is natural to think of time as a dimension. It is the basis of narrative, but as the physicists like to point out, perception and reality are not always the same thing.

The double meaning was intended!…Sam

Our brains model reality as reductionist dimensional structures because we could not process the amount of input otherwise. It’s static modeling of dynamic reality. Science is determined to develop a static description of reality. A God’s eye view. There is no such “universe as it actually exists.”

I tend toward a feral view of informational complexity. What can be created, will also be destroyed.

“I wonder if this has anything to do with the earth flipping its polarity every several thousand years?”

I wouldn’t think directly, but such behavior is dimensionally projective. It’s like the waterfall, which exists as an entity at a fixed position, yet the water flowing over it is dynamic, has momentum and reflects the continuous action of the periodic water cycle…evaporation, condensation, precipitation, runoff and again evaportation. Of course waterfalls are not completely invariant in their location either, they generally gradually shift upstream…projective of gradual coordinate shift in this quasi-static model. Our world is filled with 1,2,3 and 4D projections of the higher dimensional structure…and of course, this is to be geometrically expected. All that we observe is but a thin cross-section of reality. We think the universe we observe is awesome, but if we could observe the universe as it actually exists, it would blow us away…

Yet the biosphere is a study in interdependence, social relations are a study in interdependence, and even the inorganic universe itself is an entangled lesson in related interdependence. We all can and should play our part, however small. Free will is NOT an illusion in the quasi-static model

The reason life doesn’t have meaning is because meaning is static and reductionistic, while life is dynamic and wholistic. It is all about integrated purpose. We pull back on the string of the cosmos as much as they pull on us. Without this interdependence, we would have no use for anything else and everything else would have no use for us.

For others following this thread who are also aware of the Fermi discovery of matter-antimatter occillations, I would like to point out that the results of this fieldwork work indicate not only occillations of a certain specific frequency, but synchronicity in this behavior, which is also predicted as a general characterisitic of the universe by the Standard Model.

I wonder if this has anything to do with the earth flipping its polarity every several thousand years?

“A big part of what you know was the journey of finding it, then losing it and finding it again, maybe from a slightly different perspective that put the original knowledge in a totally different light. You can’t pass that kind of knowledge onto the young, they have to do the journey themselves. That’s the problem with objectifying reality; we think there is some final destination, but it’s entirely about the journey.”

I appreciated all of what you said, but I think the above pretty much summarizes things.

It is true that everyones frame of reference is different and frame of reference is never perfectly repeated- even in 7D and up. My grandchildren have a quite different genetic endowment and a very different set of life circumstances. We all are kind of “stuck” with what we have, and have to live life for ourselves. We don’t feel paralyzed, but the nature of the social and natural universe indicates that any real prerogatives we as individuals may have are quite limited.

Yet the biosphere is a study in interdependence, social relations are a study in interdependence, and even the inorganic universe itself is an entangled lesson in related interdependence. We all can and should play our part, however small. Free will is NOT an illusion in the quasi-static model…it is an intergral part of the process which keeps the universe stable by phylogenic development and a gradually increasing trend in overall complexity of information.

For others following this thread who are also aware of the Fermi discovery of matter-antimatter occillations, I would like to point out that the results of this fieldwork work indicate not only occillations of a certain specific frequency, but synchronicity in this behavior, which is also predicted as a general characterisitic of the universe by the Standard Model.

The fact that the universe acts in a predictable (and synchronous) way so deep in the quantum realm has profound significance.

I’m in the same boat. Lots of times we look up and wonder why it isn’t better and sometimes we look down and are glad it isn’t worse.
I guess I’m in this conversation because after a lifetime of reverse engineering reality, trying to figure out what could be done better, I find the same conflict between a reductionistic and linear human viewpoint in a wholistic and relative reality where our obsession with specifics blinds us to the consequences of our action. Short term thinking defeats long term planning. I’m somewhat resigned to the fact that that’s just the way things work, but I do see an opportunity with the coming financial meltdown and the political instability it will cause to try and inject a few very basic memes into the larger conversation. Specifically that money is actually a form of public utility, like a road system and if we were to begin thinking of it as such, we might begin treating it as such, which would instill a natural balance between rights and responsibilities. Suffice to say, the situation hasn’t gone much past the denial stage yet, so considering new ways of thinking is still some distance in the future. Not that anyone will listen even then, but not because I didn’t try.
So I’m mostly using my limited interneting time to argue some of the more esoteric aspects of this disconnect between what is western absolutism and eastern dualism. Or possibly between Plao’s ideals and Aristotle’s reasoning. As much as modern physics has incorporated relativity, I still see a subversive vein of absolutism in the need to objectify process. We created an all-knowing God and now that we killed it, we want to replace it by knowing everything ourselves. To do this we assume everything must exist for us to find it, so time must be a permanent dimension in which all information remains locked, rather than a process which destroys as it creates. A big part of what you know was the journey of finding it, then losing it and finding it again, maybe from a slightly different perspective that put the original knowledge in a totally different light. You can’t pass that kind of knowledge onto the young, they have to do the journey themselves. That’s the problem with objectifying reality; we think there is some final destination, but it’s entirely about the journey. Those matter antimatter particles are polarities that don’t exist otherwise. A final destination would be like absolute zero; nothing. Flatline.
As somebody famous once put it, it’s better to teach someone to fish than to give them a fish.

The date on that Fermi press release was 9/25/06

The tracing is of the overall occillation frequency…NOT a profile of overall quark/antiquark occillation behavior.

The date on that Fermi press release was 9/25/06

The address is: http://www.fnal.gov/pub/presspass/press_releases/CDF_meson.html

The tracing is of the overall occillation frequency…NOT a profile of overall quark/antiquark occillation behavior.

“It is still a study in opposites. The world to come will have to endure birthing pains.”

I completely agree John. If I could make a wish, impossible for the universe to grant though it is, I would not wish for money, love, position or power, but rather that I could understand what I understand about the nature of the universe now, as an old man- when I am young. One of my first memories is chasing my younger brother around the house and glancing in the mirror on my parents dresser. I stopped briefly, looked in the mirror and recognized myself for the first time. My main reaction; I wondered why I was so young, but not for long! I continued my game of tag- into eternity.

Young people need, desperately need compassion, acceptance, knowledge and wisdom, and they need it early and effectively transmitted. I guess what I really am wishing for are good parents, mentors and trained, effective teachers. Mine I would give only a “B”, but my situation was “A+” compared to that of many young people around the world. Perhaps the universe will eventually rectify that situation.

I was sitting across the table at “Applebees” the other evening from one of my 18 grandchildren, in his teens. Most of the 9 of us were laughing and having a great time eating our baby back ribs, but he was distracted and ill at ease. He was obviously surprised that I read his feelings, and was very relieved when I looked him straight in the eye and told him that his grandpop and grandmom loved him very much, thought about him all the time, and were very concerned about his well being.

The Japanese say that childhood is like the spingtime…an appropriate observation. Each part of our lives has its own challenges, headaches and dangers. The universe is constructed in such a way that we experience existence that way. However, it is much easier I think, to face eternity with the support of ones friends and family, some understanding and wisdom gleaned from years of experience and education- and above all, a little optimism!

It is still a study in opposites. The world to come will have to endure birthing pains.
Love, kindness, happiness are the expansion of the spirit, yet it’s the contractions that punctuate history.

I’ve been following your ideas carefully and they are interesting. It is really clear that Wayne understands the 7D idea fully. Wayne, check the Fermi website and look at its press releases from October 06. Although the quarks of one particle were specifically evaluated, it is clear from the writeup that the character of the whole universe at the quark level of scale is at issue.

Femi people and scientists in the know are very excited about this field discovery…as Wayne noted, papers are appearing. This is a field discovery, NOT a paper or something. The Hadron equipment will further explore this aspect of the basic units of particulate existence later this year and into the more distant future, I am sure.

The tracing of the occillation is shown on the release and is enlargable right on the Fermi posting. Compare that tracing with the Astronomical power spectrum trace on Ned Wrights website!

One final comment. Ones’ life…our period of existence, in this model, takes on a new significance, not just structurally because we are an eternal,important part of the universe, but most importanly, for ourselves, humanity at large and the total ecosystem.

The decisons we make, the attitudes we have and as Wayne mentions, our state of mind in general are very important. John Kennedy said: “God’s work on Earth must truly be our own”. He hit the nail on the head. The peoples of the world, with each of us doing our small part, can either make our perpetual existence a kind of heaven, or we can personally and collectively construct our own hell.

Love kindness and peace are NOT the esotric bublings of idiots with their heads in the clouds…these are to be personal and collective goals for all mankind. Our eternal security, satisfaction, happiness and peace depend upon the achievement of these goals.

Sam

It’s difficult to tie everything I’m thinking into a few paragraphs, so I wasn’t taking you to task for your focus on the cosmos, but that the Big Bang/Big Crunch chronology is emblematic of a particularly monolithic thought process which tends to see reality as a singular unit, rather than unitary, which as I pointed out to Sam, are completely different concepts. This tendency to confuse unitary with a unit, is a source of social conflict as we assume our political and religious constructs must be ideals that apply to everyone else, rather than mutations from a basic state. We all do focus, as that is how the brain functions. The problem is when large groups all focus on the same thing and the resulting mass movement has nothing to balance it and becomes destablizing. Cosmology does have a tendency to trumpet what it sees as confirmation of its theories and given bottlenecks are a primary defining factor of reality, it isn’t hard to patch together a convincing argument the entire universe is between two of them. In its confidence though, it does tend to plaster over inconsistancies with whatever logical compromise it takes to fill the gap.

The matter/anti-matter relationship is more logical as polarities than actual particles.

Time is not a passage from left to right, front to back or any other direction. It is a method for measuring the rate of motion, just as temperature is. As a measure of motion, any direction is relative. To the hands of the clock, the face is going counterclockwise. Past and future do not physically exist because the energy is in a state of constant change and the passage of time are the series of forms it describes. As energy goes from past form to future ones, these states go from being in the future to being in the past. As our physical brain moves into the future, our mind is a record of the events receding into the past.
Much that we consider permanent; institutions, currencies, religions, theories, etc., is going to turn to dust and we will pick up the pieces and build something new.