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	<title>Comments on: When I have seen by Time&#8217;s fell hand defaced</title>
	<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2008/04/17/when-i-have-seen-by-times-fell-hand-defaced/</link>
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		<title>By: Jonathan Vos Post</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2008/04/17/when-i-have-seen-by-times-fell-hand-defaced/#comment-39328</link>
		<dc:creator>Jonathan Vos Post</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Apr 2008 16:40:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>THE TWILIGHT OF GENETIC ENGINEERING
by
Jonathan Vos Post


Jungle-floor bacteria devour helicopters after war;
ripped human corpses thaw, screaming, in battle zone

Smog-sucking moss evolves to grow on auto bumpers;
gas-tank tapeworm writhes: blind premium dreams

Heavy weaponry of corporate wars, intractable
ultimatum when lawyers subpoena their own DNA

Cockroaches skitter: dust of broken televisions;
lay phosphorescent eggs between commercials

Reunification pressures force abandonment of immortality;
death substitutes for taxes: final cost of doing business

Skinned headless lizard throbs, shoved into your chest:
replicant replaces your broken-once-too-often heart

Time &#38; nucleotide
wait for no man


2300-2320
15 sep 92

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All rights reserved Worldwide. May not be reproduced without permission.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>THE TWILIGHT OF GENETIC ENGINEERING<br />
by<br />
Jonathan Vos Post</p>
<p>Jungle-floor bacteria devour helicopters after war;<br />
ripped human corpses thaw, screaming, in battle zone</p>
<p>Smog-sucking moss evolves to grow on auto bumpers;<br />
gas-tank tapeworm writhes: blind premium dreams</p>
<p>Heavy weaponry of corporate wars, intractable<br />
ultimatum when lawyers subpoena their own DNA</p>
<p>Cockroaches skitter: dust of broken televisions;<br />
lay phosphorescent eggs between commercials</p>
<p>Reunification pressures force abandonment of immortality;<br />
death substitutes for taxes: final cost of doing business</p>
<p>Skinned headless lizard throbs, shoved into your chest:<br />
replicant replaces your broken-once-too-often heart</p>
<p>Time &amp; nucleotide<br />
wait for no man</p>
<p>2300-2320<br />
15 sep 92</p>
<p>Copyright 1998 by Magic Dragon Multimedia.<br />
All rights reserved Worldwide. May not be reproduced without permission.<br />
May be posted electronically provided that it is transmitted unaltered, in its entirety, and without charge.</p>
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		<title>By: John Ramsden</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2008/04/17/when-i-have-seen-by-times-fell-hand-defaced/#comment-39327</link>
		<dc:creator>John Ramsden</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Apr 2008 21:03:52 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2008/04/17/when-i-have-seen-by-times-fell-hand-defaced/#comment-39327</guid>
		<description>How about a slightly more optimistic quote, for those who don't exclude the possibility of multiverses, from Pope's translation of the Iliad:

http://www2.hn.psu.edu/faculty/jmanis/a~pope/Pope-Iliad.pdf

Another race the following spring supplies;
They fall successive, and successive rise:
So generations in their course decay;
So flourish these, when those are pass’d away.

It's a shame that renaissance and baroque poets, such as Dante and Milton, felt the need to stuff their works so full of obscure names and references from classical mythology.

Educated readers must have been familiar with them at the time; but nobody today has a clue who these characters are, and one can't help feeling that rather spoils the lofty and inspirational effect they were striving to achieve.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How about a slightly more optimistic quote, for those who don&#8217;t exclude the possibility of multiverses, from Pope&#8217;s translation of the Iliad:</p>
<p><a href="http://www2.hn.psu.edu/faculty/jmanis/a~pope/Pope-Iliad.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://www2.hn.psu.edu/faculty/jmanis/a~pope/Pope-Iliad.pdf</a></p>
<p>Another race the following spring supplies;<br />
They fall successive, and successive rise:<br />
So generations in their course decay;<br />
So flourish these, when those are pass’d away.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s a shame that renaissance and baroque poets, such as Dante and Milton, felt the need to stuff their works so full of obscure names and references from classical mythology.</p>
<p>Educated readers must have been familiar with them at the time; but nobody today has a clue who these characters are, and one can&#8217;t help feeling that rather spoils the lofty and inspirational effect they were striving to achieve.</p>
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		<title>By: Neil B.</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2008/04/17/when-i-have-seen-by-times-fell-hand-defaced/#comment-39326</link>
		<dc:creator>Neil B.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Apr 2008 16:45:13 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2008/04/17/when-i-have-seen-by-times-fell-hand-defaced/#comment-39326</guid>
		<description>Fascinating, that Shakespeare (or was it really Christopher Marlow/collaboration?) could craft such an apt poetic framing of entropy.  Someone should (if not already) collect such artful prefigurings of scientific principles.  For those who don't think that time is "real", it's an "illusion" etc. (how I despise such conceits), I ask, how do you explain entropy?  Note this comment by Lee Smolin in another thread, arguing that time is real: http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2007/02/21/oos-and-bbs/#comment-204859.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fascinating, that Shakespeare (or was it really Christopher Marlow/collaboration?) could craft such an apt poetic framing of entropy.  Someone should (if not already) collect such artful prefigurings of scientific principles.  For those who don&#8217;t think that time is &#8220;real&#8221;, it&#8217;s an &#8220;illusion&#8221; etc. (how I despise such conceits), I ask, how do you explain entropy?  Note this comment by Lee Smolin in another thread, arguing that time is real: <a href="http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2007/02/21/oos-and-bbs/#comment-204859." rel="nofollow">http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2007/02/21/oos-and-bbs/#comment-204859.</a></p>
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		<title>By: ike</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2008/04/17/when-i-have-seen-by-times-fell-hand-defaced/#comment-39325</link>
		<dc:creator>ike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Apr 2008 02:59:23 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2008/04/17/when-i-have-seen-by-times-fell-hand-defaced/#comment-39325</guid>
		<description>&lt;a href="http://www.shakespeare2ndlaw.com/" rel="nofollow"&gt;http://www.shakespeare2ndlaw.com/&lt;/a&gt;

Quotes:
"What could be more emotionally electrifying than, after millennia of human struggles to understand what has been seen as the threatening mystery of erratic nature, to learn why bad things happen to all of us? To be rapidly released from the prison of fear of an uncertain threatening world that is still present in so many societies and cultures? To be shown in a few minutes the ultimate reasons for the fragility of our prized possessions and to reflect on the normally sturdy protections of activation energies for our artifacts and such energies along with biochemical feedback patterns for our even more fragile biochemistry?"

"Activation energy barriers must be recognized as our essential bulwarks against the second law of thermodynamics' predictions."

Full fathom five thy father lies;
Of his bones are coral made;
Those are pearls that were his eyes;
Nothing of him that does fade,
But doth suffer a sea-change
Into something rich and strange.
Sea-nymphs hourly ring his knell:
Ding-dong,
Hark! Now I hear them – Ding-dong, bell.

Or try J.R.R. Tolkien:

This thing all things devours:
Birds, beasts, trees, flowers;
Gnaws iron, bites steel;
Grinds hard stones to meal;
Slays king, ruins town
And beats high mountain down.</description>
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<p>Quotes:<br />
&#8220;What could be more emotionally electrifying than, after millennia of human struggles to understand what has been seen as the threatening mystery of erratic nature, to learn why bad things happen to all of us? To be rapidly released from the prison of fear of an uncertain threatening world that is still present in so many societies and cultures? To be shown in a few minutes the ultimate reasons for the fragility of our prized possessions and to reflect on the normally sturdy protections of activation energies for our artifacts and such energies along with biochemical feedback patterns for our even more fragile biochemistry?&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;Activation energy barriers must be recognized as our essential bulwarks against the second law of thermodynamics&#8217; predictions.&#8221;</p>
<p>Full fathom five thy father lies;<br />
Of his bones are coral made;<br />
Those are pearls that were his eyes;<br />
Nothing of him that does fade,<br />
But doth suffer a sea-change<br />
Into something rich and strange.<br />
Sea-nymphs hourly ring his knell:<br />
Ding-dong,<br />
Hark! Now I hear them – Ding-dong, bell.</p>
<p>Or try J.R.R. Tolkien:</p>
<p>This thing all things devours:<br />
Birds, beasts, trees, flowers;<br />
Gnaws iron, bites steel;<br />
Grinds hard stones to meal;<br />
Slays king, ruins town<br />
And beats high mountain down.</p>
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		<title>By: Lab Lemming</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2008/04/17/when-i-have-seen-by-times-fell-hand-defaced/#comment-39324</link>
		<dc:creator>Lab Lemming</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Apr 2008 02:43:37 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2008/04/17/when-i-have-seen-by-times-fell-hand-defaced/#comment-39324</guid>
		<description>So has anyone written sonnets about the first or third laws?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So has anyone written sonnets about the first or third laws?</p>
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		<title>By: John Ramsden</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2008/04/17/when-i-have-seen-by-times-fell-hand-defaced/#comment-39323</link>
		<dc:creator>John Ramsden</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Apr 2008 22:24:19 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2008/04/17/when-i-have-seen-by-times-fell-hand-defaced/#comment-39323</guid>
		<description>Citrine's post (#4) reminded me of a piece of numerology trivia everyone probably knows, but in case not - In Psalm 46 of the King James Version of the Bible the 46th word from the beginning is "shake" and the 46th word from the end is "spear". [ http://quod.lib.umich.edu/cgi/k/kjv/kjv-idx?type=DIV1&#38;byte=2190116 ]

Also, the year before this version was published, in 1611, Shakespeare was (you guessed it) 46 years old!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Citrine&#8217;s post (#4) reminded me of a piece of numerology trivia everyone probably knows, but in case not - In Psalm 46 of the King James Version of the Bible the 46th word from the beginning is &#8220;shake&#8221; and the 46th word from the end is &#8220;spear&#8221;. [ <a href="http://quod.lib.umich.edu/cgi/k/kjv/kjv-idx?type=DIV1&amp;byte=2190116" rel="nofollow">http://quod.lib.umich.edu/cgi/k/kjv/kjv-idx?type=DIV1&amp;byte=2190116</a> ]</p>
<p>Also, the year before this version was published, in 1611, Shakespeare was (you guessed it) 46 years old!</p>
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		<title>By: jeff</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2008/04/17/when-i-have-seen-by-times-fell-hand-defaced/#comment-39322</link>
		<dc:creator>jeff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Apr 2008 20:56:09 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2008/04/17/when-i-have-seen-by-times-fell-hand-defaced/#comment-39322</guid>
		<description>The exact time that you reach thermal equilibrium will arrive just as sure and as real as two seconds from now will be here. But amazingly, you didn't have to do any work at all to be born in the first place. Cheers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The exact time that you reach thermal equilibrium will arrive just as sure and as real as two seconds from now will be here. But amazingly, you didn&#8217;t have to do any work at all to be born in the first place. Cheers.</p>
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		<title>By: bc</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2008/04/17/when-i-have-seen-by-times-fell-hand-defaced/#comment-39321</link>
		<dc:creator>bc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Apr 2008 20:40:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I fail by having a pingback in which I failed to check the spelling the authors name.  Sorry Sean.  It's corrected now.

The allusions to Thermodynamics in this poem made me think of the explanation I once heard that Genesis, at my friends synagogue, is interpreted by them as a poetic telling of the Big Bang, galaxy formation, planet accretion and so forth.  He even said he noticed a reference to the CMB.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I fail by having a pingback in which I failed to check the spelling the authors name.  Sorry Sean.  It&#8217;s corrected now.</p>
<p>The allusions to Thermodynamics in this poem made me think of the explanation I once heard that Genesis, at my friends synagogue, is interpreted by them as a poetic telling of the Big Bang, galaxy formation, planet accretion and so forth.  He even said he noticed a reference to the CMB.</p>
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		<title>By: April is Poetry month &#171; Bruises Colours</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2008/04/17/when-i-have-seen-by-times-fell-hand-defaced/#comment-39320</link>
		<dc:creator>April is Poetry month &#171; Bruises Colours</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Apr 2008 19:04:09 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2008/04/17/when-i-have-seen-by-times-fell-hand-defaced/#comment-39320</guid>
		<description>[...] I don&#8217;t want to&#160;believe    April is Poetry&#160;month April 17, 2008   Sean Carol at Cosmic Variance just posted Shakespeare&#8217;s sonnet 64.  So I&#8217;d like to put up a little poetry, perhaps [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] I don&#8217;t want to&nbsp;believe    April is Poetry&nbsp;month April 17, 2008   Sean Carol at Cosmic Variance just posted Shakespeare&#8217;s sonnet 64.  So I&#8217;d like to put up a little poetry, perhaps [&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>By: citrine</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2008/04/17/when-i-have-seen-by-times-fell-hand-defaced/#comment-39319</link>
		<dc:creator>citrine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Apr 2008 17:26:10 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2008/04/17/when-i-have-seen-by-times-fell-hand-defaced/#comment-39319</guid>
		<description>Shakespeare was supposedly born on april 23rd 1564 and died on his birthday in 1616.</description>
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