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		<title>By: Bad</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 May 2008 16:40:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The last point is key.

From an economic point of view, the cost of people generally not honoring wishes or contracts after a party has died would be that the parties would then take all sorts of economically wasteful actions to make sure those wishes were carried out.

For instance, in this case, Nabokov might have hired a sort of &quot;book hitman&quot; to steal and destroy his work should he die with it unfinished.  That might seem silly, but that&#039;s because we live in a world where legal standards generally respect contractual agreements even if one party to the contract dies, and wishes are generally carried out.</description>
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<p>From an economic point of view, the cost of people generally not honoring wishes or contracts after a party has died would be that the parties would then take all sorts of economically wasteful actions to make sure those wishes were carried out.</p>
<p>For instance, in this case, Nabokov might have hired a sort of &#8220;book hitman&#8221; to steal and destroy his work should he die with it unfinished.  That might seem silly, but that&#8217;s because we live in a world where legal standards generally respect contractual agreements even if one party to the contract dies, and wishes are generally carried out.</p>
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		<title>By: Reginald Ramirez</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2008/04/25/wishes-of-the-dead/comment-page-1/#comment-39537</link>
		<dc:creator>Reginald Ramirez</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 May 2008 08:58:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If you can forgive me repeating what everybody has said already, I&#039;d like to state my view here that:

 a will is solely about distributing your property after you&#039;re gone. Demanding someone else to do something, be it whatever, running a marathon or destroying a work of art by a famous author, is beyond what can be reasonably demanded by a one-sided agreement. You can ask your work to be destroyed, but you can&#039;t ask ANY person to destroy it. That&#039;s something you&#039;ll have to make further arrangements for by yourself.

You can&#039;t transfer a burden of responsibility over intellectual property to your descendents without also passing on the tools that come with responsibility, the freedom of decision. If an artist is considered free to destroy hiw own art (generally we allow them that) it is because he is the beholder of all freedom and responsibility over it. As I see it, you cannot unilaterally impose on someone the responsibility to destroy the art without that freedom to do otherwise.

Beyond that it is a question of what is the nicest or most useful thing to do, and as we can see from this discussion, that can be a very multi-layered question.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you can forgive me repeating what everybody has said already, I&#8217;d like to state my view here that:</p>
<p> a will is solely about distributing your property after you&#8217;re gone. Demanding someone else to do something, be it whatever, running a marathon or destroying a work of art by a famous author, is beyond what can be reasonably demanded by a one-sided agreement. You can ask your work to be destroyed, but you can&#8217;t ask ANY person to destroy it. That&#8217;s something you&#8217;ll have to make further arrangements for by yourself.</p>
<p>You can&#8217;t transfer a burden of responsibility over intellectual property to your descendents without also passing on the tools that come with responsibility, the freedom of decision. If an artist is considered free to destroy hiw own art (generally we allow them that) it is because he is the beholder of all freedom and responsibility over it. As I see it, you cannot unilaterally impose on someone the responsibility to destroy the art without that freedom to do otherwise.</p>
<p>Beyond that it is a question of what is the nicest or most useful thing to do, and as we can see from this discussion, that can be a very multi-layered question.</p>
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		<title>By: daisy rose</title>
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		<dc:creator>daisy rose</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 May 2008 04:10:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Reading Lolita someone said was like going to bed with a pervert and waking up with a college professor -</description>
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		<title>By: John Baez</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Baez</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 May 2008 18:52:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The plot of the novel is actually slightly relevant to the issues we&#039;re discussing here: &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=90073521&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;according to Dmitri Nabokov&lt;/a&gt; it&#039;s about a neurologist who designs (for himself) a reversible form of suicide.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The plot of the novel is actually slightly relevant to the issues we&#8217;re discussing here: <a href="http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=90073521" rel="nofollow">according to Dmitri Nabokov</a> it&#8217;s about a neurologist who designs (for himself) a reversible form of suicide.</p>
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		<title>By: John Baez</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2008/04/25/wishes-of-the-dead/comment-page-1/#comment-39569</link>
		<dc:creator>John Baez</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 May 2008 18:44:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You can hear Dmitri Nabokov explain his decision &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=90073521&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;.  The unfinished novel will be published in the form of 138 notecards (that&#039;s how his father wrote), the first ones transcribed, the last ones presented in their original handwritten form.

James wrote:

&lt;blockquote&gt;

If Nabokov really wanted the manuscript to be burned, he could have willed it to someone who he would have had great confidence would have followed his wishes, like a law firm.

&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Apparently he was writing until almost the last moment on his deathbed; his original title was &lt;i&gt;Dying Is Fun&lt;/i&gt;.  So, he probably wasn&#039;t focused on legal issues.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You can hear Dmitri Nabokov explain his decision <a href="http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=90073521" rel="nofollow">here</a>.  The unfinished novel will be published in the form of 138 notecards (that&#8217;s how his father wrote), the first ones transcribed, the last ones presented in their original handwritten form.</p>
<p>James wrote:</p>
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<p>If Nabokov really wanted the manuscript to be burned, he could have willed it to someone who he would have had great confidence would have followed his wishes, like a law firm.</p>
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<p>Apparently he was writing until almost the last moment on his deathbed; his original title was <i>Dying Is Fun</i>.  So, he probably wasn&#8217;t focused on legal issues.</p>
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		<title>By: Eugene</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eugene</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 May 2008 13:01:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The dead should be wise enough not to trust their wishes to the living.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The dead should be wise enough not to trust their wishes to the living.</p>
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		<title>By: chris y</title>
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		<dc:creator>chris y</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Apr 2008 08:55:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Virgil requested that the uncorrected manuscript of the Aeneid be burned, but it wasn&#039;t, and it went on to become one of the most influential works in European literature. There&#039;s a very long tradition of ignoring authors&#039; wishes on this. Are authors necessarily the best people to make this call, anyway.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Virgil requested that the uncorrected manuscript of the Aeneid be burned, but it wasn&#8217;t, and it went on to become one of the most influential works in European literature. There&#8217;s a very long tradition of ignoring authors&#8217; wishes on this. Are authors necessarily the best people to make this call, anyway.</p>
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		<title>By: Christine</title>
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		<dc:creator>Christine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Apr 2008 21:29:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Re # 4

&lt;i&gt;Frankly, I’d rather not read anything someone wrote just for themselves. Who should read something like that? The person that wrote it. That’s it. Certainly won’t make a huge impact if the person created such work based on the mindset that it isn’t worthy of the public eye. &lt;/i&gt;

So have you not bothered to read &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meditations&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Marcus Aurelius&#039; Meditation&lt;/a&gt;?

&lt;i&gt;Marcus Aurelius has been lauded for his capacity &#039;to write down what was in his heart just as it was, not obscured by any consciousness of the presence of listeners or any striving after effect&#039;.&lt;/i&gt;

A direct, original source of the stoic mind. It&#039;s a perl left to mankind.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re # 4</p>
<p><i>Frankly, I’d rather not read anything someone wrote just for themselves. Who should read something like that? The person that wrote it. That’s it. Certainly won’t make a huge impact if the person created such work based on the mindset that it isn’t worthy of the public eye. </i></p>
<p>So have you not bothered to read <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meditations" rel="nofollow">Marcus Aurelius&#8217; Meditation</a>?</p>
<p><i>Marcus Aurelius has been lauded for his capacity &#8216;to write down what was in his heart just as it was, not obscured by any consciousness of the presence of listeners or any striving after effect&#8217;.</i></p>
<p>A direct, original source of the stoic mind. It&#8217;s a perl left to mankind.</p>
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		<title>By: John Ramsden</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Ramsden</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Apr 2008 21:42:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Re #39, interesting points Blake (although we&#039;re drifting from the original topic, and I don&#039;t think Sean likes that). But briefly, with regard to your first point, obviously there&#039;s a grey area, and the very situation you describe must happen often, during wartime for example. I was referring to insemination using sperm of someone known to have died already, perhaps a long time ago.

Aside from a general creepiness factor, hard to rationalize, one could argue that this deprives some living man of the opportunity of fatherhood at least for the duration of the pregnancy. I mean already in peacetime societies, there are more men than women; so the last thing we need is competition from those no longer with us, even if they could have been but for a premature death. I&#039;d agree that&#039;s a rather tenuous objection though; but it&#039;s more substantial where quotas are introduced to curb population growth (as in China today and elsewhere soon, the way things are going).

Cloning shares this drawback in a capped population, and for an individual known to be cloned it raises to new heights the age-old problem of someone being compared with illustrious or successful relatives (or notorious villains come to that). One day in the 1840s, the 2nd Duke of Wellington was asked why he was looking a bit glum. &quot;I was thinking&quot;, he replied &quot;how people will react, after my father dies, when &#039;The Duke of Wellington&#039; is announced, and *I* walk into the room.&quot; Whatever one thinks of nature versus nurture, a clone of someone known will face the same dilemma tenfold.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re #39, interesting points Blake (although we&#8217;re drifting from the original topic, and I don&#8217;t think Sean likes that). But briefly, with regard to your first point, obviously there&#8217;s a grey area, and the very situation you describe must happen often, during wartime for example. I was referring to insemination using sperm of someone known to have died already, perhaps a long time ago.</p>
<p>Aside from a general creepiness factor, hard to rationalize, one could argue that this deprives some living man of the opportunity of fatherhood at least for the duration of the pregnancy. I mean already in peacetime societies, there are more men than women; so the last thing we need is competition from those no longer with us, even if they could have been but for a premature death. I&#8217;d agree that&#8217;s a rather tenuous objection though; but it&#8217;s more substantial where quotas are introduced to curb population growth (as in China today and elsewhere soon, the way things are going).</p>
<p>Cloning shares this drawback in a capped population, and for an individual known to be cloned it raises to new heights the age-old problem of someone being compared with illustrious or successful relatives (or notorious villains come to that). One day in the 1840s, the 2nd Duke of Wellington was asked why he was looking a bit glum. &#8220;I was thinking&#8221;, he replied &#8220;how people will react, after my father dies, when &#8216;The Duke of Wellington&#8217; is announced, and *I* walk into the room.&#8221; Whatever one thinks of nature versus nurture, a clone of someone known will face the same dilemma tenfold.</p>
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		<title>By: Blake Stacey</title>
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		<dc:creator>Blake Stacey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Apr 2008 18:41:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;A related moral question arose recently in the UK. A woman whose husband had been killed in Iraq wished to be inseminated by his preserved sperm. Although that seems a deserving case (and I’m not sure what the courts decided in the event) it seems intrinsically wrong to me - For the purpose of reproduction, a person’s DNA should die with them.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Even if I had a strong personal &quot;squick&quot; response to this situation, I doubt I&#039;d be willing to impose it upon a couple trying to have children.

It takes seven to ten days after the fertilization of a human egg for the egg to implant; until that point, hormonal measurements cannot detect a pregnancy, and the body which will be hosting the &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.theonion.com/content/news/woman_overjoyed_by_giant_uterine&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;cute li&#039;l parasite&lt;/a&gt; can&#039;t tell a fertilized egg from an unfertilized one either.  If the father dies in a freak accident during this interval, should the mother dose herself with emergency contraceptives to prevent implantation?

&lt;blockquote&gt;Otherwise whatever next? A clone of Tutankamen, or more offspring of William the Conqueror, using DNA winkled from his thigh bone in Caen? Or hordes of new descendents of Nobel prize winners, born long after their death?&lt;/blockquote&gt;

What would actually be the &lt;i&gt;problem&lt;/i&gt; with any of those?  A clone is as much a person as is an identical twin; raising a cloned child wouldn&#039;t drain the world&#039;s resources or worsen the overpopulation problem any more than raising a child conceived by unskilled labor.  If the cloning procedure were not sound &#8212; say, if the child had a considerable likelihood of congenital abnormalities due to damaged DNA &#8212; then I could see a moral objection:  we&#039;d be bringing a conscious entity into the world and subjecting it to suffering.  Even in some far-fetched, &lt;i&gt;Boys from Brazil&lt;/i&gt; scenario, it&#039;s the nefarious scheme to flood the world with Hitler clones which is immoral; without Mengele&#039;s efforts to shape their minds, the clones are innocent.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>A related moral question arose recently in the UK. A woman whose husband had been killed in Iraq wished to be inseminated by his preserved sperm. Although that seems a deserving case (and I’m not sure what the courts decided in the event) it seems intrinsically wrong to me &#8211; For the purpose of reproduction, a person’s DNA should die with them.</p></blockquote>
<p>Even if I had a strong personal &#8220;squick&#8221; response to this situation, I doubt I&#8217;d be willing to impose it upon a couple trying to have children.</p>
<p>It takes seven to ten days after the fertilization of a human egg for the egg to implant; until that point, hormonal measurements cannot detect a pregnancy, and the body which will be hosting the <a href="http://www.theonion.com/content/news/woman_overjoyed_by_giant_uterine" rel="nofollow">cute li&#8217;l parasite</a> can&#8217;t tell a fertilized egg from an unfertilized one either.  If the father dies in a freak accident during this interval, should the mother dose herself with emergency contraceptives to prevent implantation?</p>
<blockquote><p>Otherwise whatever next? A clone of Tutankamen, or more offspring of William the Conqueror, using DNA winkled from his thigh bone in Caen? Or hordes of new descendents of Nobel prize winners, born long after their death?</p></blockquote>
<p>What would actually be the <i>problem</i> with any of those?  A clone is as much a person as is an identical twin; raising a cloned child wouldn&#8217;t drain the world&#8217;s resources or worsen the overpopulation problem any more than raising a child conceived by unskilled labor.  If the cloning procedure were not sound &mdash; say, if the child had a considerable likelihood of congenital abnormalities due to damaged DNA &mdash; then I could see a moral objection:  we&#8217;d be bringing a conscious entity into the world and subjecting it to suffering.  Even in some far-fetched, <i>Boys from Brazil</i> scenario, it&#8217;s the nefarious scheme to flood the world with Hitler clones which is immoral; without Mengele&#8217;s efforts to shape their minds, the clones are innocent.</p>
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