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		<title>By: yo</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2008/06/15/commenting-on-cosmic-variance/comment-page-1/#comment-40478</link>
		<dc:creator>yo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jul 2008 17:03:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>more of a comment for blog software developers,
but if the comments were threaded,
offtopic comments could
more easily be avoided.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>more of a comment for blog software developers,<br />
but if the comments were threaded,<br />
offtopic comments could<br />
more easily be avoided.</p>
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		<title>By: Mukund M.V</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2008/06/15/commenting-on-cosmic-variance/comment-page-1/#comment-40494</link>
		<dc:creator>Mukund M.V</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Jul 2008 15:33:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey can anyone tell me how to post here... i am relatively new to blogging</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey can anyone tell me how to post here&#8230; i am relatively new to blogging</p>
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		<title>By: ght</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2008/06/15/commenting-on-cosmic-variance/comment-page-1/#comment-40467</link>
		<dc:creator>ght</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Jun 2008 05:09:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It would be helpful if your software doesn&#039;t delete the identifying number of the deleted post and shift the identifying numbers of other posts down by one for each deletion. Otherwise, the use of a post number to reference another post will become unreliable.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It would be helpful if your software doesn&#8217;t delete the identifying number of the deleted post and shift the identifying numbers of other posts down by one for each deletion. Otherwise, the use of a post number to reference another post will become unreliable.</p>
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		<title>By: Tyler</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2008/06/15/commenting-on-cosmic-variance/comment-page-1/#comment-40466</link>
		<dc:creator>Tyler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Jun 2008 03:10:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>how interesting.

After at least a year of reading every day, I completely stopped hitting this blog a few (several?) months ago primarily because of this issue. I will be very interested to see if this policy is instituted fairly, or if more latitude is given to commenters who push the boundaries in a direction which supports the biases (subconscious or otherwise) of the contributors. Those biases, or my perception of them, were the other reason I stopped coming here, since the purpose of my reading is purely self edification and an untrusted source is not of value.

Please note that I do not mean biases in a particularly perjorative sense. We all have beliefs and biases, myself no less than any other, and are entitled to express them, especially in our own forums. For example I absolutely share and support the stated CV bias against amateur Grand Theorems. At the time I tuned this blog out, passions were particularly inflamed, and perhaps this (very wise) new policy will keep things from reaching that point again.

and to our local anonymous, #29, who is better spoken than most members of that clan but obviously motivated by the usual anon search for lulz, in a rather highbrow way - I enjoy polite, clever zingers &amp; snarkiness and share much of your amusement. However, the comment threads here had become tedious and overstuffed with redundant nonsense, as well as final proof for all time that even very smart scientists are not necessarily more evolved or mature than anyone else.

An improvement in the signal:noise ratio is welcome and so I will provisionally add this site back to my browsing list. Biased content censoring is anathema, and I do trust the Contributors here to refrain from it. But I won&#039;t miss it if it does happen. There&#039;s always Backreaction, after all ;o)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>how interesting.</p>
<p>After at least a year of reading every day, I completely stopped hitting this blog a few (several?) months ago primarily because of this issue. I will be very interested to see if this policy is instituted fairly, or if more latitude is given to commenters who push the boundaries in a direction which supports the biases (subconscious or otherwise) of the contributors. Those biases, or my perception of them, were the other reason I stopped coming here, since the purpose of my reading is purely self edification and an untrusted source is not of value.</p>
<p>Please note that I do not mean biases in a particularly perjorative sense. We all have beliefs and biases, myself no less than any other, and are entitled to express them, especially in our own forums. For example I absolutely share and support the stated CV bias against amateur Grand Theorems. At the time I tuned this blog out, passions were particularly inflamed, and perhaps this (very wise) new policy will keep things from reaching that point again.</p>
<p>and to our local anonymous, #29, who is better spoken than most members of that clan but obviously motivated by the usual anon search for lulz, in a rather highbrow way &#8211; I enjoy polite, clever zingers &amp; snarkiness and share much of your amusement. However, the comment threads here had become tedious and overstuffed with redundant nonsense, as well as final proof for all time that even very smart scientists are not necessarily more evolved or mature than anyone else.</p>
<p>An improvement in the signal:noise ratio is welcome and so I will provisionally add this site back to my browsing list. Biased content censoring is anathema, and I do trust the Contributors here to refrain from it. But I won&#8217;t miss it if it does happen. There&#8217;s always Backreaction, after all ;o)</p>
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		<title>By: Aristotle Pagaltzis</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2008/06/15/commenting-on-cosmic-variance/comment-page-1/#comment-40493</link>
		<dc:creator>Aristotle Pagaltzis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Jun 2008 02:34:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would suggest not to outright delete comments. Rather, it is better to &quot;disemvowel&quot; them (which means deleting all vowels and leaving all consonants, so that the text remains decipherable, but only with some effort) or doing what Sam Ruby does on his blog, which is to strike-through offensive portions of comments and linking the stricken portion to his comment policy.

Deletion means that no trace of the offence is left. If I may go overboard here a bit, deletion reminds me of a weapon in a sci-fi plot where a spaceship pilot stranded on an alien forest planet: because it was completely silent, the local wildlife never learned to fear his weapon and thus never learned to avoid him. So it is with comment moderation: if it is done by deletion, many visitors will miss the incident completely, whereas if it is done visibly, they will witness what is tolerated or is not, and as social beings will quite likely almost involuntarily adjust their behaviour to the norms they see expected. Moderating visibly also reduces aggravation on the part of those at the receiving end of a moderator action, because their words are not outright disappeared, merely &quot;painted,&quot; reducing the sense of persecution. And lastly, it serves as a check for the moderators themselves, as their actions are openly visible to everyone.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would suggest not to outright delete comments. Rather, it is better to &#8220;disemvowel&#8221; them (which means deleting all vowels and leaving all consonants, so that the text remains decipherable, but only with some effort) or doing what Sam Ruby does on his blog, which is to strike-through offensive portions of comments and linking the stricken portion to his comment policy.</p>
<p>Deletion means that no trace of the offence is left. If I may go overboard here a bit, deletion reminds me of a weapon in a sci-fi plot where a spaceship pilot stranded on an alien forest planet: because it was completely silent, the local wildlife never learned to fear his weapon and thus never learned to avoid him. So it is with comment moderation: if it is done by deletion, many visitors will miss the incident completely, whereas if it is done visibly, they will witness what is tolerated or is not, and as social beings will quite likely almost involuntarily adjust their behaviour to the norms they see expected. Moderating visibly also reduces aggravation on the part of those at the receiving end of a moderator action, because their words are not outright disappeared, merely &#8220;painted,&#8221; reducing the sense of persecution. And lastly, it serves as a check for the moderators themselves, as their actions are openly visible to everyone.</p>
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		<title>By: JCF</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2008/06/15/commenting-on-cosmic-variance/comment-page-1/#comment-40492</link>
		<dc:creator>JCF</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Jun 2008 03:09:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Admitting to an eager lay interest in multiverse cosmology and an appreciation of CV&#039;s urbane/humane breadth, I find this site unfailingly informative and stimulating, even if occasionally tendentious politically (your perfect right).  I salute the new policy; a blog is and should be a proprietorship, affording neither democracy nor anarchy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Admitting to an eager lay interest in multiverse cosmology and an appreciation of CV&#8217;s urbane/humane breadth, I find this site unfailingly informative and stimulating, even if occasionally tendentious politically (your perfect right).  I salute the new policy; a blog is and should be a proprietorship, affording neither democracy nor anarchy.</p>
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		<title>By: Otis</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2008/06/15/commenting-on-cosmic-variance/comment-page-1/#comment-40491</link>
		<dc:creator>Otis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Jun 2008 01:21:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for this very interesting blog.  And I agree completely with the new policy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for this very interesting blog.  And I agree completely with the new policy.</p>
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		<title>By: John Merryman</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2008/06/15/commenting-on-cosmic-variance/comment-page-1/#comment-40465</link>
		<dc:creator>John Merryman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Jun 2008 23:57:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I definitely fall in the category of fringe characters, especially since my last post on Evolving Potentials just vanished, but I can fully understand why any structure needs to establish its parameters, especially in an environment as chaotic and viral as the internets. Presumably a community of scientists is intellectually adaptable enough to understand what direction the future will turn better than anyone else, so it&#039;s just not my position to question the judgement of those who determine the standards. Sometimes though, it isn&#039;t what lays ahead of us that decides our future course, but the stability of the foundation we are standing on.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I definitely fall in the category of fringe characters, especially since my last post on Evolving Potentials just vanished, but I can fully understand why any structure needs to establish its parameters, especially in an environment as chaotic and viral as the internets. Presumably a community of scientists is intellectually adaptable enough to understand what direction the future will turn better than anyone else, so it&#8217;s just not my position to question the judgement of those who determine the standards. Sometimes though, it isn&#8217;t what lays ahead of us that decides our future course, but the stability of the foundation we are standing on.</p>
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		<title>By: Garrett</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2008/06/15/commenting-on-cosmic-variance/comment-page-1/#comment-40464</link>
		<dc:creator>Garrett</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Jun 2008 23:19:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s about bloody time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s about bloody time.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2008/06/15/commenting-on-cosmic-variance/comment-page-1/#comment-40490</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Jun 2008 19:07:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We&#039;ve made our audience perfectly clear over the years. Also &quot;thinly-veiled&quot; may be a matter of perception. As should be clear from the post, we&#039;ll delete things we think are dragging the discussion down.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We&#8217;ve made our audience perfectly clear over the years. Also &#8220;thinly-veiled&#8221; may be a matter of perception. As should be clear from the post, we&#8217;ll delete things we think are dragging the discussion down.</p>
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