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		<title>By: Sau</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sau</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Jul 2008 20:27:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Totally agree. Parents and teachers play a very crucial role in instilling a spark of curiosity about understanding the world. Another thing I have found inspiring is reading about the lives of great scientists, the best experiments...  just the beauty and wonder of it drives you to creative frontiers farther than you think you can reach.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Totally agree. Parents and teachers play a very crucial role in instilling a spark of curiosity about understanding the world. Another thing I have found inspiring is reading about the lives of great scientists, the best experiments&#8230;  just the beauty and wonder of it drives you to creative frontiers farther than you think you can reach.</p>
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		<title>By: Dean Denesiuk</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dean Denesiuk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Jul 2008 00:16:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Doh! MediaSite not by MicroSoft!. Is &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.mediasite.com/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Versa Visual&lt;/a&gt;. So Sorry!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Doh! MediaSite not by MicroSoft!. Is <a href="http://www.mediasite.com/" rel="nofollow">Versa Visual</a>. So Sorry!</p>
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		<title>By: Dean Denesiuk</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2008/06/29/the-guardian-science-course/comment-page-1/#comment-41076</link>
		<dc:creator>Dean Denesiuk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Jul 2008 18:09:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have recently discovered the &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.perimeterinstitute.ca/Outreach/Public_Lectures/View_Past_Public_Lectures/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Public lecture series at the Perimeter Institute&lt;/a&gt; Which incorporates Micro Soft Media Site Viewer that allows the user to zoom in on the slides independent of the video to appreciate the finer detail of the presentation. A wide variety of topics are available.

Also there are scads of science lectures &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=physics+lectures&amp;search_type=&amp;aq=f&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;(Physics for example) &lt;/a&gt;on You tube that are quite interesting to science Geeks like me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have recently discovered the <a href="http://www.perimeterinstitute.ca/Outreach/Public_Lectures/View_Past_Public_Lectures/" rel="nofollow">Public lecture series at the Perimeter Institute</a> Which incorporates Micro Soft Media Site Viewer that allows the user to zoom in on the slides independent of the video to appreciate the finer detail of the presentation. A wide variety of topics are available.</p>
<p>Also there are scads of science lectures <a href="http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=physics+lectures&amp;search_type=&amp;aq=f" rel="nofollow">(Physics for example) </a>on You tube that are quite interesting to science Geeks like me.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Jul 2008 02:46:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Count. I haven&#039;t been in the U.K. to see these for quite a few years, so can&#039;t speak from recent personal experience. But according to Wikipedia (must be correct :))

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The lectures were televised by the BBC for several decades. However, in recent years the lectures have been shown on Channel 4 and now Five. They have become an established part of the &#039;Christmas Tradition&#039; for many families, keeping children occupied during the days after Christmas when the presents begin to get old, and as such the decision by Five in 2006 to air Home and Away at the time the Lectures have been usually broadcast, 12 o&#039;clock, caused widespread criticism, although the later time was felt by some to be more convenient.
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I can&#039;t speak to whether the presentation changed for better or worse as a result. Maybe some of our U.K. readers can comment.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Count. I haven&#8217;t been in the U.K. to see these for quite a few years, so can&#8217;t speak from recent personal experience. But according to Wikipedia (must be correct <img src='http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> )</p>
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The lectures were televised by the BBC for several decades. However, in recent years the lectures have been shown on Channel 4 and now Five. They have become an established part of the &#8216;Christmas Tradition&#8217; for many families, keeping children occupied during the days after Christmas when the presents begin to get old, and as such the decision by Five in 2006 to air Home and Away at the time the Lectures have been usually broadcast, 12 o&#8217;clock, caused widespread criticism, although the later time was felt by some to be more convenient.
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<p>I can&#8217;t speak to whether the presentation changed for better or worse as a result. Maybe some of our U.K. readers can comment.</p>
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		<title>By: Count Iblis</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2008/06/29/the-guardian-science-course/comment-page-1/#comment-41075</link>
		<dc:creator>Count Iblis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Jul 2008 01:39:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The BBC used to broadcast the Christmas Lectures but they stopped doing that, I think in 1999 or so :(

The best science documentaries are shown on NGC channel. BBC&#039;s Horizon is also very good, but they only show a few programs per year. Also, the quality of the Horizon documentaries is not always as good as it used to be. Some appeared to have been dumbed down. Some others have been promoting fringe theories. The last few were ok. though.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The BBC used to broadcast the Christmas Lectures but they stopped doing that, I think in 1999 or so <img src='http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_sad.gif' alt=':(' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>The best science documentaries are shown on NGC channel. BBC&#8217;s Horizon is also very good, but they only show a few programs per year. Also, the quality of the Horizon documentaries is not always as good as it used to be. Some appeared to have been dumbed down. Some others have been promoting fringe theories. The last few were ok. though.</p>
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		<title>By: John R Ramsden</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2008/06/29/the-guardian-science-course/comment-page-1/#comment-41082</link>
		<dc:creator>John R Ramsden</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Jun 2008 16:03:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tichy wrote (#4)
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&gt; the BBC is another great source of science and educational programs,

For all their faults, mainly an obvious lefty PC agenda, and vices such as europhilia, I must agree. It&#039;&#039;ll be a sad day when David Attenborough for example, now 80, retires.

Discovery Channel also shows some good documentaries, although these are often somewhat dumbed down for my taste. (But one can say the same of many BBC Horizon programs these days.)

But another BBC blessing is the absence of adverts - Discovery programs are made almost intolerable by them, so much so it seems more like short program breaks between non-stop ads!

The only way I can watch Discovery is to be busy on a PC at the same time and mute the ads, or else pre-record the program and fast-forward through the wretched things. Channel hopping is hopeless, as one ends up watching bits and pieces of several programs, and in any case ad breaks seem to be synchonized across many channels to discourage this.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tichy wrote (#4)<br />
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&gt; the BBC is another great source of science and educational programs,</p>
<p>For all their faults, mainly an obvious lefty PC agenda, and vices such as europhilia, I must agree. It&#8221;ll be a sad day when David Attenborough for example, now 80, retires.</p>
<p>Discovery Channel also shows some good documentaries, although these are often somewhat dumbed down for my taste. (But one can say the same of many BBC Horizon programs these days.)</p>
<p>But another BBC blessing is the absence of adverts &#8211; Discovery programs are made almost intolerable by them, so much so it seems more like short program breaks between non-stop ads!</p>
<p>The only way I can watch Discovery is to be busy on a PC at the same time and mute the ads, or else pre-record the program and fast-forward through the wretched things. Channel hopping is hopeless, as one ends up watching bits and pieces of several programs, and in any case ad breaks seem to be synchonized across many channels to discourage this.</p>
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		<title>By: Charlie C</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2008/06/29/the-guardian-science-course/comment-page-1/#comment-41081</link>
		<dc:creator>Charlie C</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Jun 2008 13:44:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ijon Tichy, one could argue that China has exactly the kind of strong government that supports science as you propose. And although its methods in many areas may not be so admirable, one can&#039;t help but wonder where China will stand in the technological world in another generation or two. With regards to science and technology, the objective of the Chinese government (and modern culture) definitely appears to be one of &quot;shooting the moon&quot;. (Pun intended) What&#039;s that huge wave rushing towards us.... ?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ijon Tichy, one could argue that China has exactly the kind of strong government that supports science as you propose. And although its methods in many areas may not be so admirable, one can&#8217;t help but wonder where China will stand in the technological world in another generation or two. With regards to science and technology, the objective of the Chinese government (and modern culture) definitely appears to be one of &#8220;shooting the moon&#8221;. (Pun intended) What&#8217;s that huge wave rushing towards us&#8230;. ?</p>
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		<title>By: Mark</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2008/06/29/the-guardian-science-course/comment-page-1/#comment-41078</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Jun 2008 00:50:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with some of what you say Ijon Tichy (although it is worth pointing out that television reality shows come from my homeland). I don&#039;t quite get what you mean by pornography on the internet. The internet is a big place and while there is certainly a lot of pornography, I don&#039;t see how it is an obstacle to good science content appearing there.

Of course, as a scientist, one can, like any other citizen, do one&#039;s best to support the kind of government one would like to see. Many of us do a great deal on that front. One can also, independently, work to promote science education and knowledge, and praise others who do the same.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with some of what you say Ijon Tichy (although it is worth pointing out that television reality shows come from my homeland). I don&#8217;t quite get what you mean by pornography on the internet. The internet is a big place and while there is certainly a lot of pornography, I don&#8217;t see how it is an obstacle to good science content appearing there.</p>
<p>Of course, as a scientist, one can, like any other citizen, do one&#8217;s best to support the kind of government one would like to see. Many of us do a great deal on that front. One can also, independently, work to promote science education and knowledge, and praise others who do the same.</p>
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		<title>By: Ijon Tichy</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2008/06/29/the-guardian-science-course/comment-page-1/#comment-41080</link>
		<dc:creator>Ijon Tichy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Jun 2008 22:16:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, this is what you can get when you have a newspaper that isn&#039;t completely driven by the market. &lt;em&gt;The Guardian&lt;/em&gt; is run by The Scott Trust, a charitable foundation, and is a consistently loss-making newspaper, relying on cross-subsidies from other, profitable businesses run by the foundation. In television, the &lt;em&gt;BBC&lt;/em&gt; is another great source of science and educational programs, as are &lt;em&gt;Channel 4&lt;/em&gt; and &lt;em&gt;ITV&lt;/em&gt;; all are public service networks, funded and/or subsidised by the taxpayers. Rely on the market, and you get gossip magazines (print), reality shows (television), pornography (internet), and other monkey-related content.

If you want science to be &quot;an integral part of culture&quot;, then you must have a strong government, and a public that supports strong government. Only a strong government can: fund the media outlets that will provide the science content, volume and quality you desire; force public and private schools to make science an absolute priority; implement and fund other projects that promote science, especially where it counts, i.e. among the younger generation. But if you eviscerate your government to the extent that has occurred in the USA (except for military spending), then you shouldn&#039;t be surprised to learn that around 80% of your citizenry believe in creationism or intelligent design.

Of course, a strong government is not enough; you also need the right sort of mindset from those in power. But without it, you are doomed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, this is what you can get when you have a newspaper that isn&#8217;t completely driven by the market. <em>The Guardian</em> is run by The Scott Trust, a charitable foundation, and is a consistently loss-making newspaper, relying on cross-subsidies from other, profitable businesses run by the foundation. In television, the <em>BBC</em> is another great source of science and educational programs, as are <em>Channel 4</em> and <em>ITV</em>; all are public service networks, funded and/or subsidised by the taxpayers. Rely on the market, and you get gossip magazines (print), reality shows (television), pornography (internet), and other monkey-related content.</p>
<p>If you want science to be &#8220;an integral part of culture&#8221;, then you must have a strong government, and a public that supports strong government. Only a strong government can: fund the media outlets that will provide the science content, volume and quality you desire; force public and private schools to make science an absolute priority; implement and fund other projects that promote science, especially where it counts, i.e. among the younger generation. But if you eviscerate your government to the extent that has occurred in the USA (except for military spending), then you shouldn&#8217;t be surprised to learn that around 80% of your citizenry believe in creationism or intelligent design.</p>
<p>Of course, a strong government is not enough; you also need the right sort of mindset from those in power. But without it, you are doomed.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Jun 2008 20:56:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks bob - sounds great!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks bob &#8211; sounds great!</p>
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		<title>By: bob</title>
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		<dc:creator>bob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Jun 2008 16:51:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For those interested in the Royal Institution&#039;s Christmas Lectures, note the recently published anthology:
Christmas at the royal institution: an anthology of lectures by M Faraday, J Tyndall et al.; edited by Frank A J L James. Singapore, World Scientific, 2007.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For those interested in the Royal Institution&#8217;s Christmas Lectures, note the recently published anthology:<br />
Christmas at the royal institution: an anthology of lectures by M Faraday, J Tyndall et al.; edited by Frank A J L James. Singapore, World Scientific, 2007.</p>
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		<title>By: Dan Mitchell</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dan Mitchell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Jun 2008 15:36:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Your post today made me think again of perhaps the best teacher I ever met. (And I&#039;m a college faculty member by profession, so I&#039;ve met my share.) Mr. Hodges was the &quot;science teacher&quot; at the middle school that all three of my children attended. If any teacher understood the concepts referred to in your post (&quot;Doing them means taking risks, getting stuck in, finding out for yourself &#8212; using your imagination.&quot;), it was Mr. Hodges.

No boring textbook experiments for Mr. Hodges&#039; students. They invented designs for bridges, constructed small models themselves, and then had a contest to see which would resist their best efforts to destroy them. The designed and built their own solar ovens and then used them to cook actual meals. The climax of the year was &quot;boat wars&quot; - after spending a month or more designing, scavenging materials for, and constructing cardboard boat the kids took to the school swimming pool with their boats and had, yes, a boat war. Not only were the kids themselves completely obsesses with the engineering and design issues, but the event was so popular that every other class was cancelled so that all students could go and watch.

Ed would blow things up in class. (The smoke stains on the classroom ceiling are legendary.) Kids got to experiment with putting their hands in fire. They could get extra credit for trying to eat on a poverty-level budget for a week - and extra credit if they got a parent to join them.

&quot;Science&quot; can - as you well know - be exciting and wholly engaging, but it will happen when there are more experiences like those that Ed created.

Dan</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Your post today made me think again of perhaps the best teacher I ever met. (And I&#8217;m a college faculty member by profession, so I&#8217;ve met my share.) Mr. Hodges was the &#8220;science teacher&#8221; at the middle school that all three of my children attended. If any teacher understood the concepts referred to in your post (&#8220;Doing them means taking risks, getting stuck in, finding out for yourself &mdash; using your imagination.&#8221;), it was Mr. Hodges.</p>
<p>No boring textbook experiments for Mr. Hodges&#8217; students. They invented designs for bridges, constructed small models themselves, and then had a contest to see which would resist their best efforts to destroy them. The designed and built their own solar ovens and then used them to cook actual meals. The climax of the year was &#8220;boat wars&#8221; &#8211; after spending a month or more designing, scavenging materials for, and constructing cardboard boat the kids took to the school swimming pool with their boats and had, yes, a boat war. Not only were the kids themselves completely obsesses with the engineering and design issues, but the event was so popular that every other class was cancelled so that all students could go and watch.</p>
<p>Ed would blow things up in class. (The smoke stains on the classroom ceiling are legendary.) Kids got to experiment with putting their hands in fire. They could get extra credit for trying to eat on a poverty-level budget for a week &#8211; and extra credit if they got a parent to join them.</p>
<p>&#8220;Science&#8221; can &#8211; as you well know &#8211; be exciting and wholly engaging, but it will happen when there are more experiences like those that Ed created.</p>
<p>Dan</p>
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