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		<title>By: A New Challenge to Einstein? &#124; Cosmic Variance &#124; Discover Magazine</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2008/07/17/a-new-cmb-anomaly/comment-page-1/#comment-105052</link>
		<dc:creator>A New Challenge to Einstein? &#124; Cosmic Variance &#124; Discover Magazine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Oct 2009 15:53:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] that doesn&#8217;t mean that you ignore anomalies; you just treat them with caution. In this case, there could be an unrecognized systematic error in [...]</description>
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		<title>By: A Lop-sided Universe? &#171; In the Dark</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2008/07/17/a-new-cmb-anomaly/comment-page-1/#comment-41868</link>
		<dc:creator>A Lop-sided Universe? &#171; In the Dark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Nov 2008 14:17:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Lop-sided&#160;Universe?  Over on cosmic variance, I see a post concerning the issue of whether there might be large-scale anomalies in the cosmic microwave [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Lop-sided&nbsp;Universe?  Over on cosmic variance, I see a post concerning the issue of whether there might be large-scale anomalies in the cosmic microwave [...]</p>
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		<title>By: A Special Place in the Universe &#124; Cosmic Variance</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2008/07/17/a-new-cmb-anomaly/comment-page-1/#comment-41869</link>
		<dc:creator>A Special Place in the Universe &#124; Cosmic Variance</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Nov 2008 19:51:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] talked about how that paper came to be in a series of posts: one, two, three. And now there is even tantalizing evidence that our model fits the data! I don&#8217;t get too excited about it, but it&#8217;s something to [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] talked about how that paper came to be in a series of posts: one, two, three. And now there is even tantalizing evidence that our model fits the data! I don&#8217;t get too excited about it, but it&#8217;s something to [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Those tiny differences</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2008/07/17/a-new-cmb-anomaly/comment-page-1/#comment-41853</link>
		<dc:creator>Those tiny differences</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Jul 2008 19:44:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] me happy and something that makes me sad or bored or annoyed&#8230;is really quite small. Sometimes small variations are the most important thing of [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] me happy and something that makes me sad or bored or annoyed&#8230;is really quite small. Sometimes small variations are the most important thing of [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Jon Hanford</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2008/07/17/a-new-cmb-anomaly/comment-page-1/#comment-41837</link>
		<dc:creator>Jon Hanford</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Jul 2008 12:49:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I heartily agree with Sean, that a &#039;3.8 sigma&#039; signal is certainly nothing to crow about &amp; a more robust &amp; unambiguous detection is needed before we look at this theory in more detail. BTW Sean, great article in Scientific American. I hope it made many readers give some serious thought to this &#039;spontaneous inflation&#039; theory amongst the sea of other cosmological theories now in vogue. I think you&#039;re on the right track, anyway.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I heartily agree with Sean, that a &#8216;3.8 sigma&#8217; signal is certainly nothing to crow about &amp; a more robust &amp; unambiguous detection is needed before we look at this theory in more detail. BTW Sean, great article in Scientific American. I hope it made many readers give some serious thought to this &#8217;spontaneous inflation&#8217; theory amongst the sea of other cosmological theories now in vogue. I think you&#8217;re on the right track, anyway.</p>
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		<title>By: Christopher Hirata</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2008/07/17/a-new-cmb-anomaly/comment-page-1/#comment-41852</link>
		<dc:creator>Christopher Hirata</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Jul 2008 19:30:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hans Kristian,

&gt; Please note that the paper is &quot;Groeneboom and Eriksen&quot;, not &quot;Eriksen et al.&quot;...

Oops, my mix-up! (literally)

&gt; But do you think the current experiments are deep/wide enough to really get a good handle on this effect?

At Fisher matrix level the SDSS photometric samples should be able to detect g* if it&#039;s really 0.15 ... at back of the envelope level since there are Fourier modes spanning a wide range of directions you need ~1/g*^2~44 linear modes to measure it.  The factors of order unity are unfortunately not so kind: the Fisher matrix has a factor of 2/45 in it (because the variations in the power spectrum as a function of angle are 10^4 modes.  BUT: No promises until the systematics tests are all in :)

Chris</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hans Kristian,</p>
<p>&gt; Please note that the paper is &#8220;Groeneboom and Eriksen&#8221;, not &#8220;Eriksen et al.&#8221;&#8230;</p>
<p>Oops, my mix-up! (literally)</p>
<p>&gt; But do you think the current experiments are deep/wide enough to really get a good handle on this effect?</p>
<p>At Fisher matrix level the SDSS photometric samples should be able to detect g* if it&#8217;s really 0.15 &#8230; at back of the envelope level since there are Fourier modes spanning a wide range of directions you need ~1/g*^2~44 linear modes to measure it.  The factors of order unity are unfortunately not so kind: the Fisher matrix has a factor of 2/45 in it (because the variations in the power spectrum as a function of angle are 10^4 modes.  BUT: No promises until the systematics tests are all in <img src='http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Chris</p>
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		<title>By: Hans Kristian Eriksen</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2008/07/17/a-new-cmb-anomaly/comment-page-1/#comment-41850</link>
		<dc:creator>Hans Kristian Eriksen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Jul 2008 10:44:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Chris!

A few comments to your posts:

1) The problem with a cross-correlation analysis (between, say, V and W) for this particular analysis is that it&#039;s very difficult to handle the signal covariance matrix on a cut sky. The only reason it&#039;s sparse in our analysis is that we&#039;re using the Gibbs sampling algorithm, which essentially &quot;fills in&quot; the cut region. I don&#039;t see many alternatives to this, really, if one wants to go to high l&#039;s. However, the Gibbs sampler is an exact likelihood approach, and as such, intrinsically an auto-correlation method; it&#039;s not straightforward to get rid of these auto-correlations, while still have a correct likelihood. Of course, the problem becomes smaller the more independent bands you have, but it&#039;s always going to be there to some extent. But of course, in principle it&#039;s of course possible that one may construct some &quot;pseudo-Cl&quot; approach for this particular model, but right now, I don&#039;t see how.. For the moment, I think the best approach is simply to analyse realistic WMAP5 noise simulations, and see if something similar pops up.

2) Personally, I don&#039;t think asymmetric beams is relevant for this result. The model signature has a substantial (as in several degrees, I&#039;d say) correlation length along the plane normal to the preferred axis, and even though the WMAP beams are somewhat asymmetric, they&#039;re not *that* asymmetric.. ;-) Correlated noise is definitely my biggest concern here.

and

3) Please note that the paper is &quot;Groeneboom and Eriksen&quot;, not &quot;Eriksen et al.&quot;... :-)


Finally, I&#039;m really looking forward to see what comes out of the LSS analyses! But do you think the current experiments are deep/wide enough to really get a good handle on this effect? Or do we need to wait for the next generation surveys?

Thanks!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Chris!</p>
<p>A few comments to your posts:</p>
<p>1) The problem with a cross-correlation analysis (between, say, V and W) for this particular analysis is that it&#8217;s very difficult to handle the signal covariance matrix on a cut sky. The only reason it&#8217;s sparse in our analysis is that we&#8217;re using the Gibbs sampling algorithm, which essentially &#8220;fills in&#8221; the cut region. I don&#8217;t see many alternatives to this, really, if one wants to go to high l&#8217;s. However, the Gibbs sampler is an exact likelihood approach, and as such, intrinsically an auto-correlation method; it&#8217;s not straightforward to get rid of these auto-correlations, while still have a correct likelihood. Of course, the problem becomes smaller the more independent bands you have, but it&#8217;s always going to be there to some extent. But of course, in principle it&#8217;s of course possible that one may construct some &#8220;pseudo-Cl&#8221; approach for this particular model, but right now, I don&#8217;t see how.. For the moment, I think the best approach is simply to analyse realistic WMAP5 noise simulations, and see if something similar pops up.</p>
<p>2) Personally, I don&#8217;t think asymmetric beams is relevant for this result. The model signature has a substantial (as in several degrees, I&#8217;d say) correlation length along the plane normal to the preferred axis, and even though the WMAP beams are somewhat asymmetric, they&#8217;re not *that* asymmetric.. <img src='http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' />  Correlated noise is definitely my biggest concern here.</p>
<p>and</p>
<p>3) Please note that the paper is &#8220;Groeneboom and Eriksen&#8221;, not &#8220;Eriksen et al.&#8221;&#8230; <img src='http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Finally, I&#8217;m really looking forward to see what comes out of the LSS analyses! But do you think the current experiments are deep/wide enough to really get a good handle on this effect? Or do we need to wait for the next generation surveys?</p>
<p>Thanks!</p>
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		<title>By: Christopher Hirata</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2008/07/17/a-new-cmb-anomaly/comment-page-1/#comment-41851</link>
		<dc:creator>Christopher Hirata</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Jul 2008 08:44:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Regarding the correlated noise: A common way to measure power spectra if you&#039;re unsure about the correlated noise in your data is to do a cross-power spectrum between different maps (VxW; V1xV2, etc.) or between different years of data in which the noise model is only needed to estimate the error bars and optimize the estimator, and one is not biased by an incorrect noise model.  (WMAP 1st year analysis did this.)  It seems like the same type of procedure would work here.  If one looks at the general quadrupolar anistropy in the primordial power spectrum, it is described by a traceless-symmetric tensor or 5 numbers g_{2M} (M=-2..2).  (I realize the Eriksen et al analysis included only the cylindrically-symmetric mode and allowed its direction to vary, so they considered a 3D subspace of the full 5D space of possible quadrupole anisotropies; but nevertheless an analysis that measures all g_{2M}&#039;s should see this anomaly if it&#039;s real.)  So if one looks at the covariance matrix of the a_{lm}&#039;s, they now have off-diagonal as well as m-dependent entries proportional to the g_{2M}&#039;s.  (There are some cosmology-dependent coefficients in front of g_2M, but if the sky is really statistically isotropic then small errors in these coefficients won&#039;t cause spurious detections as long as we estimate g_2M simultaneously with the C_l&#039;s.)  WMAP easily has enough signal/noise for these tests and if the anomaly survives a cross-power analysis then it&#039;s not correlated noise.

That said, of the possible systematics that could produce an asymmetry in the power spectrum, the first one on my list would be beam ellipticity because WMAP does not hit each pixel at a uniform distribution of angles of attack.  (Same will be true, more so, for Planck.)  The cross-power analysis won&#039;t solve this problem, ultimately one needs to simulate it using the known beam maps and see what happens.

Regarding the search in large scale structure: Anthony Pullen (here at Caltech) is working on it, so stay tuned.  I&#039;m sure there will also be a lot more poring over WMAP and soon Planck, and probably other LSS data sets shortly after that.  I for one find the situation exciting.  A few years ago I went to conferences where people presented &quot;explanations&quot; of the low-multipole anomalies that made no predictions that I could hope to see verified at many sigmas in my lifetime.  Well, with this particular anomaly I hold out hope that in 5-10 years it will either have gone away or be seen at many sigma in both CMB and LSS ...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Regarding the correlated noise: A common way to measure power spectra if you&#8217;re unsure about the correlated noise in your data is to do a cross-power spectrum between different maps (VxW; V1xV2, etc.) or between different years of data in which the noise model is only needed to estimate the error bars and optimize the estimator, and one is not biased by an incorrect noise model.  (WMAP 1st year analysis did this.)  It seems like the same type of procedure would work here.  If one looks at the general quadrupolar anistropy in the primordial power spectrum, it is described by a traceless-symmetric tensor or 5 numbers g_{2M} (M=-2..2).  (I realize the Eriksen et al analysis included only the cylindrically-symmetric mode and allowed its direction to vary, so they considered a 3D subspace of the full 5D space of possible quadrupole anisotropies; but nevertheless an analysis that measures all g_{2M}&#8217;s should see this anomaly if it&#8217;s real.)  So if one looks at the covariance matrix of the a_{lm}&#8217;s, they now have off-diagonal as well as m-dependent entries proportional to the g_{2M}&#8217;s.  (There are some cosmology-dependent coefficients in front of g_2M, but if the sky is really statistically isotropic then small errors in these coefficients won&#8217;t cause spurious detections as long as we estimate g_2M simultaneously with the C_l&#8217;s.)  WMAP easily has enough signal/noise for these tests and if the anomaly survives a cross-power analysis then it&#8217;s not correlated noise.</p>
<p>That said, of the possible systematics that could produce an asymmetry in the power spectrum, the first one on my list would be beam ellipticity because WMAP does not hit each pixel at a uniform distribution of angles of attack.  (Same will be true, more so, for Planck.)  The cross-power analysis won&#8217;t solve this problem, ultimately one needs to simulate it using the known beam maps and see what happens.</p>
<p>Regarding the search in large scale structure: Anthony Pullen (here at Caltech) is working on it, so stay tuned.  I&#8217;m sure there will also be a lot more poring over WMAP and soon Planck, and probably other LSS data sets shortly after that.  I for one find the situation exciting.  A few years ago I went to conferences where people presented &#8220;explanations&#8221; of the low-multipole anomalies that made no predictions that I could hope to see verified at many sigmas in my lifetime.  Well, with this particular anomaly I hold out hope that in 5-10 years it will either have gone away or be seen at many sigma in both CMB and LSS &#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Christopher Hirata</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2008/07/17/a-new-cmb-anomaly/comment-page-1/#comment-41836</link>
		<dc:creator>Christopher Hirata</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Jul 2008 07:46:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Celestial mechanician, The CMB photons have a continuous distribution of wavelengths (a blackbody to be specific).  In accordance with &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wien%27s_displacement_law&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Wien&#039;s law&lt;/a&gt;, the peak of the distribution is at lambda = 1 mm because the temperature of the CMB is 3 K, but with a broad tail in both directions (especially toward longer wavelengths).  Indeed one of the strengths of WMAP is that it can measure the CMB anisotropy at a range of wavelengths (3--13 mm) which helps to distinguish which signal is CMB and which isn&#039;t.  The Eriksen et al analysis was performed at both 3 and 5 mm (&quot;W&quot; and &quot;V&quot; bands respectively in microwavese).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Celestial mechanician, The CMB photons have a continuous distribution of wavelengths (a blackbody to be specific).  In accordance with <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wien%27s_displacement_law" rel="nofollow">Wien&#8217;s law</a>, the peak of the distribution is at lambda = 1 mm because the temperature of the CMB is 3 K, but with a broad tail in both directions (especially toward longer wavelengths).  Indeed one of the strengths of WMAP is that it can measure the CMB anisotropy at a range of wavelengths (3&#8211;13 mm) which helps to distinguish which signal is CMB and which isn&#8217;t.  The Eriksen et al analysis was performed at both 3 and 5 mm (&#8221;W&#8221; and &#8220;V&#8221; bands respectively in microwavese).</p>
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		<title>By: Celestial mechanician</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2008/07/17/a-new-cmb-anomaly/comment-page-1/#comment-41867</link>
		<dc:creator>Celestial mechanician</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Jul 2008 04:42:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>CMB 101, what is the wave lenght or frequency of the CMB photons? Are they line spectra like from individual atoms or continuous spectra with a median, mean and mode like molecualr spectra?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>CMB 101, what is the wave lenght or frequency of the CMB photons? Are they line spectra like from individual atoms or continuous spectra with a median, mean and mode like molecualr spectra?</p>
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