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	<title>Comments on: Matter v Antimatter I: The Baryon Asymmetry</title>
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		<title>By: DPF 2009 - Detroit &#124; Cosmic Variance &#124; Discover Magazine</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2008/07/24/matter-v-antimatter-i-the-baryon-asymmetry/comment-page-1/#comment-87583</link>
		<dc:creator>DPF 2009 - Detroit &#124; Cosmic Variance &#124; Discover Magazine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Jul 2009 15:44:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] and stable against quantum corrections - but also because cosmological observations such as the matter antimatter asymmetry of the universe and dark matter tell us that new particles and interactions must be out there, [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] and stable against quantum corrections &#8211; but also because cosmological observations such as the matter antimatter asymmetry of the universe and dark matter tell us that new particles and interactions must be out there, [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Hasanuddin</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2008/07/24/matter-v-antimatter-i-the-baryon-asymmetry/comment-page-1/#comment-77522</link>
		<dc:creator>Hasanuddin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Jun 2009 15:54:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Jimbo,

I wholeheartly agree, the potential opening of understanding caused through consideration of gravitational-repulsion between matter and antimatter (or &quot;anti-gravity,&quot; I hate that term) will be the next biggest thing, putting LHC on the back burner. I am very hopeful for the AEGIS experiment to prove the reality of gravitational-repulsion.

Why? Because I am in process of advancing a deduction-produced new cosmologic model that is completely seamless from end to end. Unlike current assumptions, all verified/concrete data is compatible, i.e., there are no paradoxes between theory and the physical record.

View, follow, and join the ongoing debate at: http://hypography.com/forums/alternative-theories/18910-the-dominium-model-by-hasanuddin.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Jimbo,</p>
<p>I wholeheartly agree, the potential opening of understanding caused through consideration of gravitational-repulsion between matter and antimatter (or &#8220;anti-gravity,&#8221; I hate that term) will be the next biggest thing, putting LHC on the back burner. I am very hopeful for the AEGIS experiment to prove the reality of gravitational-repulsion.</p>
<p>Why? Because I am in process of advancing a deduction-produced new cosmologic model that is completely seamless from end to end. Unlike current assumptions, all verified/concrete data is compatible, i.e., there are no paradoxes between theory and the physical record.</p>
<p>View, follow, and join the ongoing debate at: <a href="http://hypography.com/forums/alternative-theories/18910-the-dominium-model-by-hasanuddin.html" rel="nofollow">http://hypography.com/forums/alternative-theories/18910-the-dominium-model-by-hasanuddin.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Jimbo</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2008/07/24/matter-v-antimatter-i-the-baryon-asymmetry/comment-page-1/#comment-76253</link>
		<dc:creator>Jimbo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 May 2009 15:05:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Our current DOE secretary has measured g to the ppb level about a decade ago, so the technology is definitely in place to measure g for trapped and cooled anti-atoms as CERN will soon do.
  Baez is correct in advising caution, as nature often does present surprises.  If the SN1987A neutrino &amp; anti-neutrino fall times differed by only a few ppm, lets not get cocky.  Anti-Hydrogen atoms weigh about one billion times what a neutrino weighs, and will pose pretty in the lab as their fall/rise times are measured.
I predict anti-gravity will surprise and excite the physics community like nothing from the LHC will.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Our current DOE secretary has measured g to the ppb level about a decade ago, so the technology is definitely in place to measure g for trapped and cooled anti-atoms as CERN will soon do.<br />
  Baez is correct in advising caution, as nature often does present surprises.  If the SN1987A neutrino &#038; anti-neutrino fall times differed by only a few ppm, lets not get cocky.  Anti-Hydrogen atoms weigh about one billion times what a neutrino weighs, and will pose pretty in the lab as their fall/rise times are measured.<br />
I predict anti-gravity will surprise and excite the physics community like nothing from the LHC will.</p>
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		<title>By: Stochastic Scribbles &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Matter over antimatter</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2008/07/24/matter-v-antimatter-i-the-baryon-asymmetry/comment-page-1/#comment-42039</link>
		<dc:creator>Stochastic Scribbles &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Matter over antimatter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Sep 2008 18:41:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] is writing and editing a series of excellent posts about baryogenesis. Starting off with an introduction to the problem, so far he has talked about the theories of electroweak baryogenesis and leptogenesis. They are [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Matter and Antimatter &#171; disaphorism</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2008/07/24/matter-v-antimatter-i-the-baryon-asymmetry/comment-page-1/#comment-42036</link>
		<dc:creator>Matter and Antimatter &#171; disaphorism</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Aug 2008 14:57:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Posted in Science, energy by disaphorism on August 25th, 2008   Cosmic Variance has a great essay on matter and antimatter.  Part one of a three part (at least that&#8217;s how high it is right now) series.    Tagged [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Posted in Science, energy by disaphorism on August 25th, 2008   Cosmic Variance has a great essay on matter and antimatter.  Part one of a three part (at least that&#8217;s how high it is right now) series.    Tagged [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Mark</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2008/07/24/matter-v-antimatter-i-the-baryon-asymmetry/comment-page-1/#comment-42014</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Aug 2008 16:18:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Separated zones of matter and antimatter are not that easy to arrange it turns out. One can bound them by considering the observable effects of annihilations at their boundaries. A nice analysis here

http://arXiv.org/abs/astro-ph/9707087

shows that:

&lt;blockquote&gt;
We ask whether the universe can be a patchwork consisting of distinct regions of matter and antimatter. We demonstrate that, after recombination, it is impossible to avoid annihilation near regional boundaries. We study the dynamics of this process to estimate two of its signatures: a contribution to the cosmic diffuse gamma-ray background and a distortion of the cosmic microwave background. The former signal exceeds observational limits unless the matter domain we inhabit is virtually the entire visible universe. On general grounds, we conclude that a matter-antimatter symmetric universe is empirically excluded.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Separated zones of matter and antimatter are not that easy to arrange it turns out. One can bound them by considering the observable effects of annihilations at their boundaries. A nice analysis here</p>
<p><a href="http://arXiv.org/abs/astro-ph/9707087" rel="nofollow">http://arXiv.org/abs/astro-ph/9707087</a></p>
<p>shows that:</p>
<blockquote><p>
We ask whether the universe can be a patchwork consisting of distinct regions of matter and antimatter. We demonstrate that, after recombination, it is impossible to avoid annihilation near regional boundaries. We study the dynamics of this process to estimate two of its signatures: a contribution to the cosmic diffuse gamma-ray background and a distortion of the cosmic microwave background. The former signal exceeds observational limits unless the matter domain we inhabit is virtually the entire visible universe. On general grounds, we conclude that a matter-antimatter symmetric universe is empirically excluded.
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		<title>By: ben wonders</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2008/07/24/matter-v-antimatter-i-the-baryon-asymmetry/comment-page-1/#comment-42013</link>
		<dc:creator>ben wonders</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Aug 2008 16:07:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Forgive my ignorance. As I  was not able to understand the sentence

&quot;In fact, this asymmetry between matter and antimatter can be made quantitative (for baryons such as protons and neutrons) through observations of the abundances of light elements in the universe (Big Bang Nucleosynthesis - BBN) and also from the pattern of anisotropies in the cosmic microwave background radiation (CMB)&quot;

I can still  imagine a universe where zones of matter and antimatter are so far apart that we don&#039;t experience the annihilation of these opposites.  The possible symmetry would feel so much better.

Or what if Dark matter is over proportionally Anti?


Where should I look to find references on how to conclude that there must be an asymmetry?

Thanks Ben</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Forgive my ignorance. As I  was not able to understand the sentence</p>
<p>&#8220;In fact, this asymmetry between matter and antimatter can be made quantitative (for baryons such as protons and neutrons) through observations of the abundances of light elements in the universe (Big Bang Nucleosynthesis &#8211; BBN) and also from the pattern of anisotropies in the cosmic microwave background radiation (CMB)&#8221;</p>
<p>I can still  imagine a universe where zones of matter and antimatter are so far apart that we don&#8217;t experience the annihilation of these opposites.  The possible symmetry would feel so much better.</p>
<p>Or what if Dark matter is over proportionally Anti?</p>
<p>Where should I look to find references on how to conclude that there must be an asymmetry?</p>
<p>Thanks Ben</p>
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		<title>By: Matter v Antimatter III: Leptogenesis : Sophoblog</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matter v Antimatter III: Leptogenesis : Sophoblog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Aug 2008 11:38:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] been blogging the last few weeks about the question of the baryon asymmetry of the universe – the measured excess of matter over antimatter in the universe. Having already discussed [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] been blogging the last few weeks about the question of the baryon asymmetry of the universe – the measured excess of matter over antimatter in the universe. Having already discussed [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Matter v Antimatter III: Leptogenesis &#124; Cosmic Variance</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2008/07/24/matter-v-antimatter-i-the-baryon-asymmetry/comment-page-1/#comment-42037</link>
		<dc:creator>Matter v Antimatter III: Leptogenesis &#124; Cosmic Variance</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Aug 2008 15:00:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] been blogging the last few weeks about the question of the baryon asymmetry of the universe – the measured excess of matter over antimatter in the universe. Having already discussed [...]</description>
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		<title>By: What Will the LHC Find? &#124; Cosmic Variance</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2008/07/24/matter-v-antimatter-i-the-baryon-asymmetry/comment-page-1/#comment-42012</link>
		<dc:creator>What Will the LHC Find? &#124; Cosmic Variance</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Aug 2008 07:05:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Violation: 0.2%. As Mark is explaining, there are more baryons than anti-baryons in the universe, and most of us think that the asymmetry [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Violation: 0.2%. As Mark is explaining, there are more baryons than anti-baryons in the universe, and most of us think that the asymmetry [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Matter v Antimatter II: Electroweak Baryogenesis &#124; Cosmic Variance</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2008/07/24/matter-v-antimatter-i-the-baryon-asymmetry/comment-page-1/#comment-42011</link>
		<dc:creator>Matter v Antimatter II: Electroweak Baryogenesis &#124; Cosmic Variance</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jul 2008 12:36:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] my last post, I discussed the puzzle posed for cosmologists and particle physicists by the observation of the [...]</description>
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		<title>By: FeralPhantom</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2008/07/24/matter-v-antimatter-i-the-baryon-asymmetry/comment-page-1/#comment-42010</link>
		<dc:creator>FeralPhantom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Jul 2008 21:23:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Helpful, thanks. Looking forward to more on this topic.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Helpful, thanks. Looking forward to more on this topic.</p>
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		<title>By: Saurabh Madaan</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2008/07/24/matter-v-antimatter-i-the-baryon-asymmetry/comment-page-1/#comment-42035</link>
		<dc:creator>Saurabh Madaan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Jul 2008 20:19:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks, Mark. This helps -- after reading some more related stuff from Wikipedia, I find myself even more curious, and puzzled!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, Mark. This helps &#8212; after reading some more related stuff from Wikipedia, I find myself even more curious, and puzzled!</p>
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		<title>By: Mark</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2008/07/24/matter-v-antimatter-i-the-baryon-asymmetry/comment-page-1/#comment-42009</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Jul 2008 12:46:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>FeralPhantom and Saurabh - that is a very good question actually. The point is that we know that the baryon asymmetry can be quantified rather precisely. If one starts the universe with that number then it is a boundary condition that we haven&#039;t explained - the goal of baryogenesis is to find an explanation. But even if one were to set the known number as an initial condition, if inflation happened, then this would have been erased and when the universe repopulated with matter one would again have to figure out why it did so with precisely the right asymmetry.

One possibility is that it does so because of the dynamics at the end of inflation (and never becomes matter-antimatter symmetric). A number of people (including me) have worked on various versions of this idea (and I may write about them at some point).

But if baryogenesis doesn&#039;t work this way, then in the absence of a chemical potential, eventually baryons and antibaryons will have abundances determined purely by their masses (since they will be in approximate thermal equilibrium). The CPT theorem then says that their masses are identical and therefore their abundances are identical. Thermal fluctuations of these numbers would mean a small random asymmetry at any given moment, but one far smaller than observations require.

Hope this helps.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>FeralPhantom and Saurabh &#8211; that is a very good question actually. The point is that we know that the baryon asymmetry can be quantified rather precisely. If one starts the universe with that number then it is a boundary condition that we haven&#8217;t explained &#8211; the goal of baryogenesis is to find an explanation. But even if one were to set the known number as an initial condition, if inflation happened, then this would have been erased and when the universe repopulated with matter one would again have to figure out why it did so with precisely the right asymmetry.</p>
<p>One possibility is that it does so because of the dynamics at the end of inflation (and never becomes matter-antimatter symmetric). A number of people (including me) have worked on various versions of this idea (and I may write about them at some point).</p>
<p>But if baryogenesis doesn&#8217;t work this way, then in the absence of a chemical potential, eventually baryons and antibaryons will have abundances determined purely by their masses (since they will be in approximate thermal equilibrium). The CPT theorem then says that their masses are identical and therefore their abundances are identical. Thermal fluctuations of these numbers would mean a small random asymmetry at any given moment, but one far smaller than observations require.</p>
<p>Hope this helps.</p>
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		<title>By: Lawrence B. Crowell</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lawrence B. Crowell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Jul 2008 23:41:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Particles such as protons and neutrons have what is called a baryon number B = 1, and their anti-particle versions have a negative baryon number B = 1.  So for a perfectly symmetric univeres we might expect that

[itex]
\sum_i B_i~=~0,
[/itex]

where the positive and negative baryon numbers cancel out in a sum over all particles.  This means there is no net quantum number for baryons, which makes things nice.  However, in our later universe this is no longer the case and the summation is positive.  So somehow there is a net &quot;creation&quot; of these quantum numbers.  It is also interesting to note that these numbers have some topological content as well.  So by symmetry breaking these quantum numbers (B) were created with a net positive value, and the &quot;lost&quot; negative counter parts are in some ways either destroyed or buried away in a form we can&#039;t observe.

As for the equivalence principle, that is an interesting question.  The Baryon number can be modelled in a simply spinor model.  Experiments have demonstrated that photons with different helicities or spins will pass through certain material differently.  The index of refraction is modified by a spin quantum Hall effect, and gravity has an optical analogue.  Photons with different spin directions might actually become optically split!  One might then wonder if there is an analogous physics where protons and anti-protons might have paths in curved spacetime which differ slightly.

Lawrence B. Crowell</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Particles such as protons and neutrons have what is called a baryon number B = 1, and their anti-particle versions have a negative baryon number B = 1.  So for a perfectly symmetric univeres we might expect that</p>
<p>[itex]<br />
\sum_i B_i~=~0,<br />
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<p>where the positive and negative baryon numbers cancel out in a sum over all particles.  This means there is no net quantum number for baryons, which makes things nice.  However, in our later universe this is no longer the case and the summation is positive.  So somehow there is a net &#8220;creation&#8221; of these quantum numbers.  It is also interesting to note that these numbers have some topological content as well.  So by symmetry breaking these quantum numbers (B) were created with a net positive value, and the &#8220;lost&#8221; negative counter parts are in some ways either destroyed or buried away in a form we can&#8217;t observe.</p>
<p>As for the equivalence principle, that is an interesting question.  The Baryon number can be modelled in a simply spinor model.  Experiments have demonstrated that photons with different helicities or spins will pass through certain material differently.  The index of refraction is modified by a spin quantum Hall effect, and gravity has an optical analogue.  Photons with different spin directions might actually become optically split!  One might then wonder if there is an analogous physics where protons and anti-protons might have paths in curved spacetime which differ slightly.</p>
<p>Lawrence B. Crowell</p>
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		<title>By: Saurabh Madaan</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2008/07/24/matter-v-antimatter-i-the-baryon-asymmetry/comment-page-1/#comment-42033</link>
		<dc:creator>Saurabh Madaan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Jul 2008 17:46:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mark,

Please pardon my ignorance. But why is it postulated that the early universe had nearly equal amounts of matter and anti-matter?

Thanks,
Saurabh</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mark,</p>
<p>Please pardon my ignorance. But why is it postulated that the early universe had nearly equal amounts of matter and anti-matter?</p>
<p>Thanks,<br />
Saurabh</p>
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		<title>By: Mark</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Jul 2008 17:28:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i can&#039;t make any sense of your comment TK Tom - if you can make it clear I&#039;ll try to explain better.</description>
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		<title>By: TK Tom</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2008/07/24/matter-v-antimatter-i-the-baryon-asymmetry/comment-page-1/#comment-42007</link>
		<dc:creator>TK Tom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Jul 2008 02:29:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I detect some kind of contradiction here.

a) Most nucleosynthesis theories call for equal amount of matter and anti-matter at high energy condition of early universe because symmetry transformation that permits them to be created were more feasible.

b) Later, with a lower energy universe, the symmetry was broken, halting further conversion of matter and anti-matter into each other.

c) These then combine and all matter stuff should therefore be eliminated.

Puzzle: How come we have so much matter and none anti-matter?

Contradiction: The symmetry either does not exist or wrong. Because if one takes the current universe and run it backward in time to the big bang condition, you won&#039;t get back the original universe in term of amount of energy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I detect some kind of contradiction here.</p>
<p>a) Most nucleosynthesis theories call for equal amount of matter and anti-matter at high energy condition of early universe because symmetry transformation that permits them to be created were more feasible.</p>
<p>b) Later, with a lower energy universe, the symmetry was broken, halting further conversion of matter and anti-matter into each other.</p>
<p>c) These then combine and all matter stuff should therefore be eliminated.</p>
<p>Puzzle: How come we have so much matter and none anti-matter?</p>
<p>Contradiction: The symmetry either does not exist or wrong. Because if one takes the current universe and run it backward in time to the big bang condition, you won&#8217;t get back the original universe in term of amount of energy.</p>
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		<title>By: FeralPhantom</title>
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		<dc:creator>FeralPhantom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jul 2008 21:26:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ignorant layperson question - what justifies the expectation that there should have been equal amounts of matter and anti-matter in the early universe?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ignorant layperson question &#8211; what justifies the expectation that there should have been equal amounts of matter and anti-matter in the early universe?</p>
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		<title>By: Mark</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jul 2008 20:28:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Xerxes - it wasn&#039;t meant to be a criticism of your point - you&#039;re technically right, and I certainly don&#039;t mind you making it (which is what I meant by &quot;grumble away&quot;). I just honestly think that one needs to pick and choose where to include technicalities in a post. Here I was already more technical than usual so pared it back where I didn&#039;t think it necessary - this was one place.

I did specifically refer to photons, and there is, of course, a fundamental difference between massless particles and massless ones that is somewhat relevant here. In fact, what ends up being relevant in calculations down the line is the baryon to entropy ratio, and most of the entropy is in photons.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Xerxes &#8211; it wasn&#8217;t meant to be a criticism of your point &#8211; you&#8217;re technically right, and I certainly don&#8217;t mind you making it (which is what I meant by &#8220;grumble away&#8221;). I just honestly think that one needs to pick and choose where to include technicalities in a post. Here I was already more technical than usual so pared it back where I didn&#8217;t think it necessary &#8211; this was one place.</p>
<p>I did specifically refer to photons, and there is, of course, a fundamental difference between massless particles and massless ones that is somewhat relevant here. In fact, what ends up being relevant in calculations down the line is the baryon to entropy ratio, and most of the entropy is in photons.</p>
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