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		<title>By: Dark Forces Revisited &#124; Cosmic Variance &#124; Discover Magazine</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2008/08/14/dark-matter-and-fifth-forces/comment-page-1/#comment-64639</link>
		<dc:creator>Dark Forces Revisited &#124; Cosmic Variance &#124; Discover Magazine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Feb 2009 17:24:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] have a new paper out with Sonny Mantry and Michael Ramsey-Musolf, following up on our earlier paper with Chris Stubbs. The original idea was to imagine a new long-range force that couples directly to [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] have a new paper out with Sonny Mantry and Michael Ramsey-Musolf, following up on our earlier paper with Chris Stubbs. The original idea was to imagine a new long-range force that couples directly to [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Dark Photons &#124; Cosmic Variance</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2008/08/14/dark-matter-and-fifth-forces/comment-page-1/#comment-46536</link>
		<dc:creator>Dark Photons &#124; Cosmic Variance</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Oct 2008 01:20:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] idea of new forces acting on dark matter is by no means new; I&#8217;ve worked on it recently myself, and so have certain co-bloggers. (Strong, silent types who are too proud to blog about their own [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] idea of new forces acting on dark matter is by no means new; I&#8217;ve worked on it recently myself, and so have certain co-bloggers. (Strong, silent types who are too proud to blog about their own [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Mark</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2008/08/14/dark-matter-and-fifth-forces/comment-page-1/#comment-46488</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Aug 2008 02:58:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OneForce, you might try searching our archive for &quot;cosmic acceleration&quot;. Here are a couple of other posts from our earlier blogs that might help further:

http://orangequark.blogspot.com/2005/04/theories-of-cosmic-acceleration.html

http://preposterousuniverse.blogspot.com/2004/09/dark-energy-equation-of-state.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OneForce, you might try searching our archive for &#8220;cosmic acceleration&#8221;. Here are a couple of other posts from our earlier blogs that might help further:</p>
<p><a href="http://orangequark.blogspot.com/2005/04/theories-of-cosmic-acceleration.html" rel="nofollow">http://orangequark.blogspot.com/2005/04/theories-of-cosmic-acceleration.html</a></p>
<p><a href="http://preposterousuniverse.blogspot.com/2004/09/dark-energy-equation-of-state.html" rel="nofollow">http://preposterousuniverse.blogspot.com/2004/09/dark-energy-equation-of-state.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: OneForce</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2008/08/14/dark-matter-and-fifth-forces/comment-page-1/#comment-46489</link>
		<dc:creator>OneForce</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Aug 2008 02:43:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Say, I don&#039;t know if this is the proper venue for a fellow to just drop in and pop a question or not but I have one so I&#039;ll ask it and let the chips fall where they may.

Question: Is it fair to say in our mysteriously accelerating and occasionally preposterous Universe that Gravitation as a strictly Attractive force fails to sufficiently explain what&#039;s going on?  That there must be a corresponding Repulsion force at play or the whole interpretation goes up in flames? Based on the relatively new evidence we&#039;ve accumulated about not just our expanding universe but a rapidly expanding one, in that it expands at ever greater rates as our conception of Time passes?

Feel free to shoo me away if this is an annoying question.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Say, I don&#8217;t know if this is the proper venue for a fellow to just drop in and pop a question or not but I have one so I&#8217;ll ask it and let the chips fall where they may.</p>
<p>Question: Is it fair to say in our mysteriously accelerating and occasionally preposterous Universe that Gravitation as a strictly Attractive force fails to sufficiently explain what&#8217;s going on?  That there must be a corresponding Repulsion force at play or the whole interpretation goes up in flames? Based on the relatively new evidence we&#8217;ve accumulated about not just our expanding universe but a rapidly expanding one, in that it expands at ever greater rates as our conception of Time passes?</p>
<p>Feel free to shoo me away if this is an annoying question.</p>
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		<title>By: Tim Tait</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2008/08/14/dark-matter-and-fifth-forces/comment-page-1/#comment-46535</link>
		<dc:creator>Tim Tait</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Aug 2008 18:07:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sean:  You&#039;re right... Equations ARE easy...!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sean:  You&#8217;re right&#8230; Equations ARE easy&#8230;!</p>
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		<title>By: Tim Tait</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2008/08/14/dark-matter-and-fifth-forces/comment-page-1/#comment-46482</link>
		<dc:creator>Tim Tait</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Aug 2008 18:07:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That&#039;s right.  What I mean is that one can just think of the four-component fermion $latex \psi$ which contains both  $latex \psi_L$ and  $latex \psi_R$.  In that language there is no fermion propagator and no Higgs insertion - the effect of the Higgs has been summed into our definition of the massive fermion.

And you&#039;re right, the denominator of that propagator looks like it is zero otherwise, which is from various points of view: why we redefine the two massless fermions into a single massive one as above, why we amputate diagrams with self-energy corrections to external legs (but that is the same thing I just said in a more general language), and (I think implicitly) what Sean and collaborators were worrying about in the original (three loop) version of the diagram.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s right.  What I mean is that one can just think of the four-component fermion <img src='http://s.wordpress.com/latex.php?latex=%5Cpsi&#038;bg=ffffff&#038;fg=000000&#038;s=0' alt='\psi' title='\psi' class='latex' /> which contains both  <img src='http://s.wordpress.com/latex.php?latex=%5Cpsi_L&#038;bg=ffffff&#038;fg=000000&#038;s=0' alt='\psi_L' title='\psi_L' class='latex' /> and  <img src='http://s.wordpress.com/latex.php?latex=%5Cpsi_R&#038;bg=ffffff&#038;fg=000000&#038;s=0' alt='\psi_R' title='\psi_R' class='latex' />.  In that language there is no fermion propagator and no Higgs insertion &#8211; the effect of the Higgs has been summed into our definition of the massive fermion.</p>
<p>And you&#8217;re right, the denominator of that propagator looks like it is zero otherwise, which is from various points of view: why we redefine the two massless fermions into a single massive one as above, why we amputate diagrams with self-energy corrections to external legs (but that is the same thing I just said in a more general language), and (I think implicitly) what Sean and collaborators were worrying about in the original (three loop) version of the diagram.</p>
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		<title>By: TimG</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2008/08/14/dark-matter-and-fifth-forces/comment-page-1/#comment-46485</link>
		<dc:creator>TimG</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Aug 2008 01:28:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Tim Tait&lt;/strong&gt; wrote:
&lt;blockquote&gt;Going back to the Higgs insertion, it doesn</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Tim Tait</strong> wrote:</p>
<blockquote><p>Going back to the Higgs insertion, it doesn</p></blockquote>
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		<title>By: Tim Tait</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2008/08/14/dark-matter-and-fifth-forces/comment-page-1/#comment-46534</link>
		<dc:creator>Tim Tait</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Aug 2008 19:58:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You can also make reasonably pretty Feynman diagrams using root-

http://root.cern.ch/

(the documentation is not great, but search for &#039;Feynman&#039;) though of course root itself is a much more sophisticated and general tool.  I use it for all of my other plotting needs as well, so it works well for me.

Going back to the Higgs insertion, it doesn&#039;t carry any momentum, and in fact you shouldn&#039;t think of it as a real interaction at all... Think of any number of such insertions as having been already resummed into our definition of the fermion.  That language is very useful in order to keep track of fermion chiralities (which in this example is what tells you the whole graph is proprtional to the fermion mass), but it is not really intended for serious calculations.

Oh, and Furry&#039;s theorem works well for QED, but it has loopholes that apply to non-Abelian gauge theories, or a theory with chiral interactions (such as the electroweak theory of the Standard Model).

Tim</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You can also make reasonably pretty Feynman diagrams using root-</p>
<p><a href="http://root.cern.ch/" rel="nofollow">http://root.cern.ch/</a></p>
<p>(the documentation is not great, but search for &#8216;Feynman&#8217;) though of course root itself is a much more sophisticated and general tool.  I use it for all of my other plotting needs as well, so it works well for me.</p>
<p>Going back to the Higgs insertion, it doesn&#8217;t carry any momentum, and in fact you shouldn&#8217;t think of it as a real interaction at all&#8230; Think of any number of such insertions as having been already resummed into our definition of the fermion.  That language is very useful in order to keep track of fermion chiralities (which in this example is what tells you the whole graph is proprtional to the fermion mass), but it is not really intended for serious calculations.</p>
<p>Oh, and Furry&#8217;s theorem works well for QED, but it has loopholes that apply to non-Abelian gauge theories, or a theory with chiral interactions (such as the electroweak theory of the Standard Model).</p>
<p>Tim</p>
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		<title>By: Mark</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2008/08/14/dark-matter-and-fifth-forces/comment-page-1/#comment-46533</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Aug 2008 16:08:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The jaxodraw disk image for OS X just seems to work for me - it is a pretty nice program!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The jaxodraw disk image for OS X just seems to work for me &#8211; it is a pretty nice program!</p>
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		<title>By: Sean</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2008/08/14/dark-matter-and-fifth-forces/comment-page-1/#comment-46487</link>
		<dc:creator>Sean</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Aug 2008 15:57:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There is a free program, specifically for making Feynman diagrams:  &lt;a href=&quot;http://jaxodraw.sourceforge.net/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Jaxodraw&lt;/a&gt;.  I&#039;ve never been able to get it to work, although I&#039;ve admittedly not tried to hard, as I like Illustrator.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is a free program, specifically for making Feynman diagrams:  <a href="http://jaxodraw.sourceforge.net/" rel="nofollow">Jaxodraw</a>.  I&#8217;ve never been able to get it to work, although I&#8217;ve admittedly not tried to hard, as I like Illustrator.</p>
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