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		<title>By: Spittin&#8217; bullets. &#171; In The Arms of Poetry</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2008/09/09/live-blogging-the-lhc-startup/comment-page-2/#comment-43139</link>
		<dc:creator>Spittin&#8217; bullets. &#171; In The Arms of Poetry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Sep 2008 23:49:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] I don&#8217;t think I was the only person who was really, really excited about this.  More geeky coolness here. [...]</description>
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		<title>By: MedallionOfFerret</title>
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		<dc:creator>MedallionOfFerret</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Sep 2008 21:11:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I, perhaps the sole survivor of the extraordinary display of physics during the LHC test, would like to objectively note that the doomsayers were correct this time.  Just read the financial news if you don&#039;t believe me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I, perhaps the sole survivor of the extraordinary display of physics during the LHC test, would like to objectively note that the doomsayers were correct this time.  Just read the financial news if you don&#8217;t believe me.</p>
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		<title>By: CERN Black Hole - The Big Rewind &#124; Kent Beatty dot Com</title>
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		<dc:creator>CERN Black Hole - The Big Rewind &#124; Kent Beatty dot Com</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Sep 2008 21:11:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] at ScienceBase or Cosmic Variance or [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Interested</title>
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		<dc:creator>Interested</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Sep 2008 05:09:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Pro se&quot; means the plaintiff /s file/s without an attorney on record/ without an attorney acting for him/them.

A suggestion ( seems reasonable and sensible to me at least) , to answer your  question &quot;What exactly has to be done to convince the fear mongers that the LHC is safe?? There are already detailed, peer reviewed studies and hundreds (thousands?) of published papers on black holes at the LHC by reputable scientists from all over the world, none of which indicate any danger whatsoever.&quot;   is you write your views to the address of service on  the filing documents and advice the plaintiffs in US District Court in Hawaii.  The address seen is Luis Sancho , PO Box 411, Honomu , HI 96728 or call 808 – 964- 5535 . You could even persuade the peers you mentioned to put in an amicus curia brief to support the DOE and other defendants and oppose the plaintiff. A sample of an amicus curia brief was when many Nobel Laureates put in their views on the creation science issue in Edward v Anguillard US Supreme Court some 20 years ago.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Pro se&#8221; means the plaintiff /s file/s without an attorney on record/ without an attorney acting for him/them.</p>
<p>A suggestion ( seems reasonable and sensible to me at least) , to answer your  question &#8220;What exactly has to be done to convince the fear mongers that the LHC is safe?? There are already detailed, peer reviewed studies and hundreds (thousands?) of published papers on black holes at the LHC by reputable scientists from all over the world, none of which indicate any danger whatsoever.&#8221;   is you write your views to the address of service on  the filing documents and advice the plaintiffs in US District Court in Hawaii.  The address seen is Luis Sancho , PO Box 411, Honomu , HI 96728 or call 808 – 964- 5535 . You could even persuade the peers you mentioned to put in an amicus curia brief to support the DOE and other defendants and oppose the plaintiff. A sample of an amicus curia brief was when many Nobel Laureates put in their views on the creation science issue in Edward v Anguillard US Supreme Court some 20 years ago.</p>
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		<title>By: graviton383</title>
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		<dc:creator>graviton383</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Sep 2008 01:35:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What exactly has to be done to convince the fear mongers that the LHC is safe?? There are already detailed, peer reviewed studies and hundreds (thousands?) of published
papers on black holes at the LHC by reputable scientists from all over the world, none of which indicate any danger whatsoever. So what do you guys want? What will it take? The LHC is a billion trillion times safer (for you) than driving to the grocery store....I&#039;m off to shop for food now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What exactly has to be done to convince the fear mongers that the LHC is safe?? There are already detailed, peer reviewed studies and hundreds (thousands?) of published<br />
papers on black holes at the LHC by reputable scientists from all over the world, none of which indicate any danger whatsoever. So what do you guys want? What will it take? The LHC is a billion trillion times safer (for you) than driving to the grocery store&#8230;.I&#8217;m off to shop for food now.</p>
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		<title>By: The Large Hadron Collider: The Who, What and Where of the Why Machine &#124; QUEST Community Science Blog - KQED</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Large Hadron Collider: The Who, What and Where of the Why Machine &#124; QUEST Community Science Blog - KQED</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Sep 2008 01:17:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] nickname for the LHC is &#8220;the why machine.&#8221; That moniker originated on the physics blog Cosmic Variance. Hopefully this feat of engineering will explain why E=mc2. Or, say some, just open up a [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] nickname for the LHC is &#8220;the why machine.&#8221; That moniker originated on the physics blog Cosmic Variance. Hopefully this feat of engineering will explain why E=mc2. Or, say some, just open up a [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Bruce R</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bruce R</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Sep 2008 12:47:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would doubt if they would have built this thing without the idea of seeing SOMETHING. If they don&#039;t see the Higgs Particle then the explanation might be that it didn&#039;t quite reproduce the conditions of the big bang. So nothing lost, nothing gained. We know, however, that the scientists will come up with a plausible explanation--whatever happens. I have published my own pausible explanation of how the cosmos developed in my book &quot;Connect with Planet Earth&quot; at lulu.com (search:connect).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would doubt if they would have built this thing without the idea of seeing SOMETHING. If they don&#8217;t see the Higgs Particle then the explanation might be that it didn&#8217;t quite reproduce the conditions of the big bang. So nothing lost, nothing gained. We know, however, that the scientists will come up with a plausible explanation&#8211;whatever happens. I have published my own pausible explanation of how the cosmos developed in my book &#8220;Connect with Planet Earth&#8221; at lulu.com (search:connect).</p>
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		<title>By: Interested</title>
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		<dc:creator>Interested</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Sep 2008 07:56:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am reluctant to write this. I think it is the scientists’  duty to ensure that in our pursuit for frontiers of knowledge, our safety is not jeopardized. Some here who have expressed their reservations concerns and percentages of risk of big harm, have discharged their duty to all of us, just as the maverick Wagner and Luis who brought the case to Hawaii court, and made sworn statements found here   http://www.lhcconcerns.com/LHCConcerns/Forums/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=10&amp;t=29
(Attachments: Complaint itself   then # 1 Affidavit of Luis Sancho, # 2 Affidavit of Richard J. Wagner, # 3 Affidavit of Walter L. Wagner, # 4 Affidavit of Mark Leggett, # 5 Affidavit of Rodney J. Skinner, # 6 Affidavit Paul W. Dixon, # 7 Affidavit of James R. Blodgett,  )

Walter Wagner’s    http://www.lhcdefense.org/pdf/Sancho%20v%20Doe%20-%20Affidavit%20of%20Walter%20L.%20Wagner%20in%20Support%20of%20TRO.pdf

Those who allowed the discussion too have discharged that duty. Those who are enthused and happy with the long wait of two decades to see the first trial run of the beam  as well as those who shun the concerns may hold  dear to their hearts the quest for the holy grail of science in LHC and seek to benefit us with the future findings of science, discharging their  duty as scientists to push further the frontiers of unknown to known. Each have their place, and collectively as one we have come that long journey from thousands of years to now, and from now to our future.

(It takes a scientist to read those views expressed by other scientists. I am no scientist. Peace. )</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am reluctant to write this. I think it is the scientists’  duty to ensure that in our pursuit for frontiers of knowledge, our safety is not jeopardized. Some here who have expressed their reservations concerns and percentages of risk of big harm, have discharged their duty to all of us, just as the maverick Wagner and Luis who brought the case to Hawaii court, and made sworn statements found here   <a href="http://www.lhcconcerns.com/LHCConcerns/Forums/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=10&amp;t=29" rel="nofollow">http://www.lhcconcerns.com/LHCConcerns/Forums/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=10&amp;t=29</a><br />
(Attachments: Complaint itself   then # 1 Affidavit of Luis Sancho, # 2 Affidavit of Richard J. Wagner, # 3 Affidavit of Walter L. Wagner, # 4 Affidavit of Mark Leggett, # 5 Affidavit of Rodney J. Skinner, # 6 Affidavit Paul W. Dixon, # 7 Affidavit of James R. Blodgett,  )</p>
<p>Walter Wagner’s    <a href="http://www.lhcdefense.org/pdf/Sancho%20v%20Doe%20-%20Affidavit%20of%20Walter%20L.%20Wagner%20in%20Support%20of%20TRO.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://www.lhcdefense.org/pdf/Sancho%20v%20Doe%20-%20Affidavit%20of%20Walter%20L.%20Wagner%20in%20Support%20of%20TRO.pdf</a></p>
<p>Those who allowed the discussion too have discharged that duty. Those who are enthused and happy with the long wait of two decades to see the first trial run of the beam  as well as those who shun the concerns may hold  dear to their hearts the quest for the holy grail of science in LHC and seek to benefit us with the future findings of science, discharging their  duty as scientists to push further the frontiers of unknown to known. Each have their place, and collectively as one we have come that long journey from thousands of years to now, and from now to our future.</p>
<p>(It takes a scientist to read those views expressed by other scientists. I am no scientist. Peace. )</p>
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		<title>By: Neil B. ?</title>
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		<dc:creator>Neil B. ?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Sep 2008 15:26:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mark -

First, I&#039;m neither a crackpot nor AFAIK was I presenting a joke I think people have heard very much, and I didn&#039;t see it here at all.  I directly said I don&#039;t think EOTW theories were right, just commenting on the presentation of the issue vis-à-vis media and blog discussion combined with the most powerful collisions not having been done yet.  The one physicist&#039;s remarks about &quot;four years&quot; were perhaps culturally interesting due to connection to new age mythology, and I would add now: maybe the US Presidential election as well, heh.  BTW one of your commenters came up with or repeated a cute term, &quot;con-CERN troll&quot; for those worried about such things. I certainly think most readers here could be interested in my link to comparing with the earlier controversy about the first atomic explosion on earth.  I believe that was a real worry at the time.

I haven&#039;t seen hardly any jokes about us really surviving the LHC despite most multiple universes being destroyed, and Google provides a very few hits - but maybe I missed something.  It certainly is a cute (?) dig at the glib acceptance of the quantum multiverse concept, perhaps worth doubting it in &lt;i&gt;serious terms&lt;/i&gt; as a problem for how to engage scientific method etc. if we aren&#039;t continuing along a unique track of events, as I have noted elsewhere.

Finally, I did ask some real questions here (strangeness, ion collisions) and heard nothing, so I figured I might as well have some fun if that&#039;s the best I can get from being serious ... Folks, must you be so neurotic about comment conformity?  Nevertheless I will follow a more reserved practice in the future.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mark -</p>
<p>First, I&#8217;m neither a crackpot nor AFAIK was I presenting a joke I think people have heard very much, and I didn&#8217;t see it here at all.  I directly said I don&#8217;t think EOTW theories were right, just commenting on the presentation of the issue vis-à-vis media and blog discussion combined with the most powerful collisions not having been done yet.  The one physicist&#8217;s remarks about &#8220;four years&#8221; were perhaps culturally interesting due to connection to new age mythology, and I would add now: maybe the US Presidential election as well, heh.  BTW one of your commenters came up with or repeated a cute term, &#8220;con-CERN troll&#8221; for those worried about such things. I certainly think most readers here could be interested in my link to comparing with the earlier controversy about the first atomic explosion on earth.  I believe that was a real worry at the time.</p>
<p>I haven&#8217;t seen hardly any jokes about us really surviving the LHC despite most multiple universes being destroyed, and Google provides a very few hits &#8211; but maybe I missed something.  It certainly is a cute (?) dig at the glib acceptance of the quantum multiverse concept, perhaps worth doubting it in <i>serious terms</i> as a problem for how to engage scientific method etc. if we aren&#8217;t continuing along a unique track of events, as I have noted elsewhere.</p>
<p>Finally, I did ask some real questions here (strangeness, ion collisions) and heard nothing, so I figured I might as well have some fun if that&#8217;s the best I can get from being serious &#8230; Folks, must you be so neurotic about comment conformity?  Nevertheless I will follow a more reserved practice in the future.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Sep 2008 14:30:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Neil B. What part of

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Crackpots not welcome. And seriously, folks &#8212; black-hole/world-ending jokes are only funny the first million times.
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Crackpots not welcome. And seriously, folks &mdash; black-hole/world-ending jokes are only funny the first million times.
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<p>is confusing?</p>
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