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		<title>By: M</title>
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		<dc:creator>M</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Sep 2008 21:05:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Mike: some years ago, I asked for clarification on the googling candidates question from our AA officers.  This is an unbelievably PC office at a US research institution. Their policy is that things a candidate puts on their webpage are volunteered information for the purposes of our evaluation.  If we google one candidate, we have to google them all, as it is important that we treat all candidates the same.  I am merely suggesting that people keep this in mind when they are on the market- and given that webpages have a way of being archived and you never know well you&#039;ll be on the market, I think being prudent is a good policy.

There are long lists of things interview committees cannot ask about during an interview, but if the candidate volunteers information  (in person or on their webpage, for example) that is different.  In theory, such information should typically have no bearing on the hiring process, but in reality committees consist of humans with strong human prejudices about the oddest things.  The job search process is a tough one and it is pretty random.  I&#039;ve seen lots of dreadful things from both sides of many searches.  The reality is that people judge you on lots of ridiculous things.

It&#039;&#039;s worth mentioning that webpages can work both ways, at least to some extent in that when I&#039;ve been on the market in the past, I&#039;ve looked at weblogs to see what institutions may be checking me out.  And I noticed what pages they looked at.  And what parts of my colleagues&#039; and some rivals&#039; pages they look at.  Fair or not, candidates need to keep it mind.

Clarification- when I mentioned &quot;professional&quot; web page, I didn&#039;t mean professional as in done by a professional, I meant professional as in &quot;professional behavior&quot;- a simple page with contact info, publications, projects, schedule is a reasonable thing to expect someone to have.  The primary thing should be your profession.  Sub-pages on your interests are fine but if they dominate the page, that is not a good thing by most people&#039;s standards.

A good read for people interested in academic positions is &quot;Ms. Mentor&#039;s Impeccable Advice for Women in Academia.&quot;  It&#039;s funny but true, and it&#039;s got a lot of interesting things in there, many not applicable to science, but many eye-openers across the board.  Many of my male colleagues have found it interesting/useful as well, as it really covers a broad spectrum of issues.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Mike: some years ago, I asked for clarification on the googling candidates question from our AA officers.  This is an unbelievably PC office at a US research institution. Their policy is that things a candidate puts on their webpage are volunteered information for the purposes of our evaluation.  If we google one candidate, we have to google them all, as it is important that we treat all candidates the same.  I am merely suggesting that people keep this in mind when they are on the market- and given that webpages have a way of being archived and you never know well you&#8217;ll be on the market, I think being prudent is a good policy.</p>
<p>There are long lists of things interview committees cannot ask about during an interview, but if the candidate volunteers information  (in person or on their webpage, for example) that is different.  In theory, such information should typically have no bearing on the hiring process, but in reality committees consist of humans with strong human prejudices about the oddest things.  The job search process is a tough one and it is pretty random.  I&#8217;ve seen lots of dreadful things from both sides of many searches.  The reality is that people judge you on lots of ridiculous things.</p>
<p>It&#8217;&#8217;s worth mentioning that webpages can work both ways, at least to some extent in that when I&#8217;ve been on the market in the past, I&#8217;ve looked at weblogs to see what institutions may be checking me out.  And I noticed what pages they looked at.  And what parts of my colleagues&#8217; and some rivals&#8217; pages they look at.  Fair or not, candidates need to keep it mind.</p>
<p>Clarification- when I mentioned &#8220;professional&#8221; web page, I didn&#8217;t mean professional as in done by a professional, I meant professional as in &#8220;professional behavior&#8221;- a simple page with contact info, publications, projects, schedule is a reasonable thing to expect someone to have.  The primary thing should be your profession.  Sub-pages on your interests are fine but if they dominate the page, that is not a good thing by most people&#8217;s standards.</p>
<p>A good read for people interested in academic positions is &#8220;Ms. Mentor&#8217;s Impeccable Advice for Women in Academia.&#8221;  It&#8217;s funny but true, and it&#8217;s got a lot of interesting things in there, many not applicable to science, but many eye-openers across the board.  Many of my male colleagues have found it interesting/useful as well, as it really covers a broad spectrum of issues.</p>
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		<title>By: David Nataf</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Nataf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Sep 2008 20:10:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sean Carroll,

Thank you for writing one of these every few months. I just my finished my first year of graduate school so my website must be the 173rd most important thing for me, but I&#039;m sure I&#039;ll spend a few hours going through these sometime around 2010 or 2011.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sean Carroll,</p>
<p>Thank you for writing one of these every few months. I just my finished my first year of graduate school so my website must be the 173rd most important thing for me, but I&#8217;m sure I&#8217;ll spend a few hours going through these sometime around 2010 or 2011.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike M</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike M</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Sep 2008 16:14:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good grief, M.  I wonder what your HR department would make of your post and established procedures.  Maybe things vary from country to country, but if I were to make employment decisions on anything as vague as my perception of a website, I would, quite rightly, end up in the deep proverbial for not assessing the application against clearly-stated criteria applied uniformly to all applicants (since you did not require the applicant to have a website as part of your application procedure).  As for rooting around to dig out information about two-body issues, well that is also ill-defined and ill-conceived.  Not to mention the fact that it is probably illegal because of its barely-concealed disproportionate impact on female applicants, who are generally more affected by two-body issues (since more male than female applicants have non-employed or flexibly-employed spouses).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good grief, M.  I wonder what your HR department would make of your post and established procedures.  Maybe things vary from country to country, but if I were to make employment decisions on anything as vague as my perception of a website, I would, quite rightly, end up in the deep proverbial for not assessing the application against clearly-stated criteria applied uniformly to all applicants (since you did not require the applicant to have a website as part of your application procedure).  As for rooting around to dig out information about two-body issues, well that is also ill-defined and ill-conceived.  Not to mention the fact that it is probably illegal because of its barely-concealed disproportionate impact on female applicants, who are generally more affected by two-body issues (since more male than female applicants have non-employed or flexibly-employed spouses).</p>
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		<title>By: Postdoc</title>
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		<dc:creator>Postdoc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Sep 2008 04:52:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>2 estraven

99.9% of people tenured in 20 years from now won&#039;t care about their web pages as well just because they have other things to worry about. If you are in a field that google is the only source of useful information, you doomed to get random people anyway.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>2 estraven</p>
<p>99.9% of people tenured in 20 years from now won&#8217;t care about their web pages as well just because they have other things to worry about. If you are in a field that google is the only source of useful information, you doomed to get random people anyway.</p>
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		<title>By: estraven</title>
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		<dc:creator>estraven</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Sep 2008 18:52:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think professional doesn&#039;t have to mean high tech. It means it contains: a cv; a commented list of papers; a research project or at least research area description; academic material (slides presentations, lecture notes, etc). Photo optional.

Once I was considering someone for a postdoc. I clicked on his website and all I could find was kitchen recipes (very good ones, at that). I phoned his advisor and the next day the page was fine - and the recipes where still there, which I appreciated. If you have a large extra-academia activity, consider putting it on a non-department page and just add a link.

My own webpage sucks, but I&#039;m tenured so I don&#039;t care ;-).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think professional doesn&#8217;t have to mean high tech. It means it contains: a cv; a commented list of papers; a research project or at least research area description; academic material (slides presentations, lecture notes, etc). Photo optional.</p>
<p>Once I was considering someone for a postdoc. I clicked on his website and all I could find was kitchen recipes (very good ones, at that). I phoned his advisor and the next day the page was fine &#8211; and the recipes where still there, which I appreciated. If you have a large extra-academia activity, consider putting it on a non-department page and just add a link.</p>
<p>My own webpage sucks, but I&#8217;m tenured so I don&#8217;t care <img src='http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> .</p>
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		<title>By: Zzz</title>
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		<dc:creator>Zzz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Sep 2008 17:19:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Of course, I hope people recognize that everything we&#039;re talking about is a marginal consideration.  We hire scientists, not web designers.  If you have a dozen TOPCITE=100+ papers nobody cares what&#039;s on your web page unless you&#039;re advertising prostitution or illegal drugs.  If your advisor tells us he had to finish your analysis and write your thesis for you, you&#039;re toast no matter how great your web presence is.

By the way, when I speak of a &quot;professional&quot; web page, I don&#039;t mean something slick or modern necessarily: bare-bones HTML is fine as long as the content is reasonably serious.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Of course, I hope people recognize that everything we&#8217;re talking about is a marginal consideration.  We hire scientists, not web designers.  If you have a dozen TOPCITE=100+ papers nobody cares what&#8217;s on your web page unless you&#8217;re advertising prostitution or illegal drugs.  If your advisor tells us he had to finish your analysis and write your thesis for you, you&#8217;re toast no matter how great your web presence is.</p>
<p>By the way, when I speak of a &#8220;professional&#8221; web page, I don&#8217;t mean something slick or modern necessarily: bare-bones HTML is fine as long as the content is reasonably serious.</p>
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		<title>By: Postdoc</title>
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		<dc:creator>Postdoc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Sep 2008 16:40:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>First thought after reading the article - I must do something about my web page. Second - why should I waste my time on it? It does take time to make a good quality web page, because it requires knowledge beyond HTML editing. Even a simple thing as making a picture can take a lot of efforts, because it needs to be done by professionals to look professional as well as all other parts... On the other hand if I don&#039;t find TT position, I may become profession web designer if I do my page professionally :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>First thought after reading the article &#8211; I must do something about my web page. Second &#8211; why should I waste my time on it? It does take time to make a good quality web page, because it requires knowledge beyond HTML editing. Even a simple thing as making a picture can take a lot of efforts, because it needs to be done by professionals to look professional as well as all other parts&#8230; On the other hand if I don&#8217;t find TT position, I may become profession web designer if I do my page professionally <img src='http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: M</title>
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		<dc:creator>M</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Sep 2008 14:30:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There are some excellent points, but I disagree with the web presence not being important for tenure-track and higher positions.  In my discipline, we get several hundred applications for a typical TT line, and our affirmative action office which oversees the searches requires that we do the exact same things for all applicants.  If we google one or look at one person&#039;s webpage, we have to look at them all.  So we do, and there is often information on their webpages or their web presence that is either encouraging or discouraging.  If we can save ourselves the trouble and expense of having an interview with someone who isn&#039;t likely to work out in our department, time spent googling/searching is very well spent.  Our expectation is that anyone we hire will need to have a decent webpage here, for example, so a candidate who has no or minimal web presence is missing an opportunity to convince us that that would be likely.  A candidate who seems reasonable and has a strong, professional webpage is more likely to be considered, sometimes, than a slightly stronger candidate who has only a default webpage set up by their current institution.

A particularly delicate issue concerns two-body problems.  Often, a candidate with a significant two-body problem may not mention it on their application, but it may be quite obvious from their web presence.  I&#039;ve been on both sides of this question far too many times and I don&#039;t know the best way of addressing it, but it certainly becomes more likely to become an issue with googling/searching.  When I have applied for positions, I typically mentioned explicitly that my partner is also applying for positions at the same department/ same institution/ same city/ same region, but a number of other people work hard to conceal their two-body problems from search committees.  Our attitude has been- its going to be an issue eventually, we may as well get it on the table and not go through the hassle of interviews if it is going to be a huge problem later.  Other people have felt that any mention of a constraint relegates their application to the circular file.  Different strategies have worked well and poorly for people we know, so I can&#039;t recommend one strategy over another, as there are many variables.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There are some excellent points, but I disagree with the web presence not being important for tenure-track and higher positions.  In my discipline, we get several hundred applications for a typical TT line, and our affirmative action office which oversees the searches requires that we do the exact same things for all applicants.  If we google one or look at one person&#8217;s webpage, we have to look at them all.  So we do, and there is often information on their webpages or their web presence that is either encouraging or discouraging.  If we can save ourselves the trouble and expense of having an interview with someone who isn&#8217;t likely to work out in our department, time spent googling/searching is very well spent.  Our expectation is that anyone we hire will need to have a decent webpage here, for example, so a candidate who has no or minimal web presence is missing an opportunity to convince us that that would be likely.  A candidate who seems reasonable and has a strong, professional webpage is more likely to be considered, sometimes, than a slightly stronger candidate who has only a default webpage set up by their current institution.</p>
<p>A particularly delicate issue concerns two-body problems.  Often, a candidate with a significant two-body problem may not mention it on their application, but it may be quite obvious from their web presence.  I&#8217;ve been on both sides of this question far too many times and I don&#8217;t know the best way of addressing it, but it certainly becomes more likely to become an issue with googling/searching.  When I have applied for positions, I typically mentioned explicitly that my partner is also applying for positions at the same department/ same institution/ same city/ same region, but a number of other people work hard to conceal their two-body problems from search committees.  Our attitude has been- its going to be an issue eventually, we may as well get it on the table and not go through the hassle of interviews if it is going to be a huge problem later.  Other people have felt that any mention of a constraint relegates their application to the circular file.  Different strategies have worked well and poorly for people we know, so I can&#8217;t recommend one strategy over another, as there are many variables.</p>
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		<title>By: Ben</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ben</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Sep 2008 08:24:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ironically, I bungled the link to my own boring web page in the name attached to the previous post.  It&#039;s fixed now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ironically, I bungled the link to my own boring web page in the name attached to the previous post.  It&#8217;s fixed now.</p>
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		<title>By: Ben</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ben</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Sep 2008 08:22:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One cloudy night at the telescope several years ago, a friend of mine and I were checking out various astronomers&#039; web pages, famous and not-famous.  On looking at my web page (which even more barebones than it is now; I&#039;ve added some software and a few things to the &quot;Unprofessional Stuff&quot; category), my friend said &quot;Yeah, this looks like the webpage of someone who&#039;s looking for a job&quot; [and put up a web page to satisfy the requirement].  In other words, B-O-R-I-N-G.

So, in my opinion, go ahead and put up salsa dancing pictures.  Just avoid the blinking text.  If we want to read things that are written in a gray, formalized style and avoid the first-person or any self-expression, we can read the ApJ.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One cloudy night at the telescope several years ago, a friend of mine and I were checking out various astronomers&#8217; web pages, famous and not-famous.  On looking at my web page (which even more barebones than it is now; I&#8217;ve added some software and a few things to the &#8220;Unprofessional Stuff&#8221; category), my friend said &#8220;Yeah, this looks like the webpage of someone who&#8217;s looking for a job&#8221; [and put up a web page to satisfy the requirement].  In other words, B-O-R-I-N-G.</p>
<p>So, in my opinion, go ahead and put up salsa dancing pictures.  Just avoid the blinking text.  If we want to read things that are written in a gray, formalized style and avoid the first-person or any self-expression, we can read the ApJ.</p>
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