http://mccabism.blogspot.com/2009/01/bryan-appleyard-and-creationism.html

The article quotes appovingly from creationists, and reprises the familiar creationist arguments that evolution cannot explain the eye, that there aren’t enough genes to explain human complexity, and evolution caused Nazi eugenics and other social ills.

Sure, How about if the moon is made of green cheese?
For more see Secular Right.

You mean that bias against crackpot ideas is a bad thing?

Your post is as biased as mine is.

Vera

I cannot show, but I can tell you the way they went about it to ’see it’. Last time, we engaged on this, I suggested you take 10 days to attend a free meditation course. That will be the tip of the ice berg to the viewing. It is said the likes of the historical Gautama Buddha saw it through such approach. I have not walked the full path so I have to go with the “three strikes IF” but I would support the preservation of such ancient pathway for humanity. By the way it has nothing to do with miracles. It is direct perception of reality, versus conventional reality (realities of the world. Seeing is by the analytical mind, OR the intuitive mind. Discursive thought is use of the former and meditation is use of the latter. To use the latter, one has to for that period temporarily cease use of the analytical mind. I cannot show you that which only your intuitive mind can see for itself (subject to your three strikes IF disclaimer) when in use by yourself.

me: “I just found out this year and last year there are some particles that pop out and are seen and then disappear and are not seen.”

you: :”Yeah, yeah, I had that happening to me too when I was drunk…”

me: That actually was a science observation, if you care to check it out seriously. I have not used the science words as I have forgotten them.

I think atheism is a belief.

Are you also “thinking” that your thinking is an argument?
LOL

I just found out this year and last year there are some particles that pop out and are seen and then disappear and are not seen.

Yeah, yeah, I had that happening to me too when I was drunk…

Further if some ancient thinkers think the world is an illusion, and retreat into religion, and pursue a path of meditation to penetrate the illusion, and see the real reality, then if they did succeed, and if they did see real reality, then what is our reality we see?

if, if, if, three strikes and you’re out!
“our reality we see” is the one EVERYBODY sees (when not drunk or otherwise deranged) and this is the main property of “this” reality, that it can be shared and agreed upon.
NONE of the so-called separate or different realities allows that, thus they are much more probably schizophrenic fantasies since they are NOT able to interact with everyday reality either.
There are NO RELIABLY WITNESSED MIRACLES and where there have seem to be some they were later debunked as natural phenomenon or fabrications (ever heard of James Randi?)

So your belief that the realities of the world is the only and sole reality is then a belief just as there belief that there are two realities.

I am not at all “believing” in a sole and only reality but I have never seen any other.
Show me some other and I will “believe”.
Like evidence that baptizing the dead has any effect other than upsetting another group of morons.

Yes after I had punched the hit button, I realised you hid one link under one word, and there being two words, there were two links.
I like to be excused from such extensive reading. I like to re read my star book and make notes like page 36- Copernicus liked the stars in the skies and he studied at the good universities of his time and became prof in 1499. After teaching earth was center of the universe for a few years, he realised it was wrong and resigned and became a priest and studied more for 30 years and then published his work that earth was not, and a few days later he died. What started him on the new track, was reading the work of ancient Greek scientists like Pythagoras. He also devised a new money system for his government. He found out the exact length of the year short of less than a minute.

I think atheism is a belief. I just found out this year and last year there are some particles that pop out and are seen and then disappear and are not seen. It is as if they have moved through the sliding door to another world another reality another dimension. So there are things in front of our eyes and then not in front of our eyes. Further if some ancient thinkers think the world is an illusion, and retreat into religion, and pursue a path of meditation to penetrate the illusion, and see the real reality, then if they did succeed, and if they did see real reality, then what is our reality we see? Two realities, real realities and realities of the world. So your belief that the realities of the world is the only and sole reality is then a belief just as there belief that there are two realities.