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		<title>By: Dark Atoms &#124; Cosmic Variance &#124; Discover Magazine</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2008/10/29/dark-photons/comment-page-1/#comment-94682</link>
		<dc:creator>Dark Atoms &#124; Cosmic Variance &#124; Discover Magazine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Sep 2009 17:04:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] a year ago we talked about dark photons &#8212; the idea that there was a new force, almost exactly like ordinary electromagnetism, except [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Ray Gedaly</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2008/10/29/dark-photons/comment-page-1/#comment-92445</link>
		<dc:creator>Ray Gedaly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Aug 2009 18:39:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Brane Matter ... Could dark matter be evidence for parallel branes?  Matter in our brane and other(s) would only interact via the gravitational force.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Brane Matter &#8230; Could dark matter be evidence for parallel branes?  Matter in our brane and other(s) would only interact via the gravitational force.</p>
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		<title>By: Hoseki</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2008/10/29/dark-photons/comment-page-1/#comment-48044</link>
		<dc:creator>Hoseki</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Nov 2008 04:11:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sean, I&#039;m trying to understand what you said: &quot;Yes, I forgot to mention: our DM candidate is certainly not some superpartner of any of the particles in the Standard Model, since we don’t want any of them to carry dark charge.&quot;

Did you not argue in your paper that the DM candidate could be a WIMP (which is a linear combination of super partners)? Furthermore, it is stated in your paper that the particles have a dark U(1) charge (but there is overall charge neutrality). Puzzled...

By the way the link to Jay Alfred&#039;s article should be:

http://ezinearticles.com/?Dark-Matter—Plasma-of-Super-Particles&amp;id=1240357

(without the full-stop at the end ... hope it works this time)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sean, I&#8217;m trying to understand what you said: &#8220;Yes, I forgot to mention: our DM candidate is certainly not some superpartner of any of the particles in the Standard Model, since we don’t want any of them to carry dark charge.&#8221;</p>
<p>Did you not argue in your paper that the DM candidate could be a WIMP (which is a linear combination of super partners)? Furthermore, it is stated in your paper that the particles have a dark U(1) charge (but there is overall charge neutrality). Puzzled&#8230;</p>
<p>By the way the link to Jay Alfred&#8217;s article should be:</p>
<p><a href="http://ezinearticles.com/?Dark-Matter—Plasma-of-Super-Particles&#038;id=1240357" rel="nofollow">http://ezinearticles.com/?Dark-Matter—Plasma-of-Super-Particles&#038;id=1240357</a></p>
<p>(without the full-stop at the end &#8230; hope it works this time)</p>
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		<title>By: Hoseki</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2008/10/29/dark-photons/comment-page-1/#comment-48037</link>
		<dc:creator>Hoseki</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Nov 2008 03:34:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This guy, Jay Alfred, has written a lot about “dark plasma” since 2006 in his books. He argues in his article “Dark Matter – Plasma of Super Particles” (June 2008) that “…dark matter consists of non-standard (or super) plasma which radiates energetic waves. These postulated &quot;super&quot; waves or &quot;S-Waves&quot; are currently not directly measurable by our scientific instruments.” See http://ezinearticles.com/?Dark-Matter---Plasma-of-Super-Particles&amp;id=1240357.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This guy, Jay Alfred, has written a lot about “dark plasma” since 2006 in his books. He argues in his article “Dark Matter – Plasma of Super Particles” (June 2008) that “…dark matter consists of non-standard (or super) plasma which radiates energetic waves. These postulated &#8220;super&#8221; waves or &#8220;S-Waves&#8221; are currently not directly measurable by our scientific instruments.” See <a href="http://ezinearticles.com/?Dark-Matter---Plasma-of-Super-Particles&#038;id=1240357." rel="nofollow">http://ezinearticles.com/?Dark-Matter&#8212;Plasma-of-Super-Particles&#038;id=1240357.</a></p>
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		<title>By: Jason Dick</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2008/10/29/dark-photons/comment-page-1/#comment-46933</link>
		<dc:creator>Jason Dick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Nov 2008 13:04:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Neil B,

Interesting.  Guess that shows that I haven&#039;t been following axions very closely.

Robert Bast,

Anti-light is a really bad name.  It can only cause confusion as it evokes anti-matter, which is a completely different phenomenon.  In fact, there is an anti-particle to the photon: it&#039;s called the photon (so yes, this means that just as an electron and a positron can annihilate with one another to produce all sorts of things, a photon can annihilate with another photon, if the pair have enough energy between them to produce anything).

I honestly don&#039;t see how the speed of dark photons could be any different from normal photons unless they have some mass, which would cause the force to be short range, which would be something other than what Sean is proposing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Neil B,</p>
<p>Interesting.  Guess that shows that I haven&#8217;t been following axions very closely.</p>
<p>Robert Bast,</p>
<p>Anti-light is a really bad name.  It can only cause confusion as it evokes anti-matter, which is a completely different phenomenon.  In fact, there is an anti-particle to the photon: it&#8217;s called the photon (so yes, this means that just as an electron and a positron can annihilate with one another to produce all sorts of things, a photon can annihilate with another photon, if the pair have enough energy between them to produce anything).</p>
<p>I honestly don&#8217;t see how the speed of dark photons could be any different from normal photons unless they have some mass, which would cause the force to be short range, which would be something other than what Sean is proposing.</p>
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		<title>By: Lawrence Crowell</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2008/10/29/dark-photons/comment-page-1/#comment-46760</link>
		<dc:creator>Lawrence Crowell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Nov 2008 13:25:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Negative energy is of course unlikely.  In this case the eigen-numbers or spectrum of quantum field theory is not bounded below.  This has serious pathological consequences.

L. C.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Negative energy is of course unlikely.  In this case the eigen-numbers or spectrum of quantum field theory is not bounded below.  This has serious pathological consequences.</p>
<p>L. C.</p>
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		<title>By: Neil B</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2008/10/29/dark-photons/comment-page-1/#comment-46637</link>
		<dc:creator>Neil B</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Nov 2008 17:06:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Robert, if anti-light traveled at 10c as you suggest, it would make causality troubles in our universe if it could ever be detected (read about special theory of relativity.)  However, such alternate photons might go slower than our light.

Also, &quot;dark photons&quot; as imagined by Sean and others are not like negative energy that can cancel out ordinary light or energy, they are &quot;dark&quot; because we can&#039;t see them (i.e., they don&#039;t interact with ordinary matter-energy enough.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Robert, if anti-light traveled at 10c as you suggest, it would make causality troubles in our universe if it could ever be detected (read about special theory of relativity.)  However, such alternate photons might go slower than our light.</p>
<p>Also, &#8220;dark photons&#8221; as imagined by Sean and others are not like negative energy that can cancel out ordinary light or energy, they are &#8220;dark&#8221; because we can&#8217;t see them (i.e., they don&#8217;t interact with ordinary matter-energy enough.)</p>
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		<title>By: Robert Bast</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2008/10/29/dark-photons/comment-page-1/#comment-46601</link>
		<dc:creator>Robert Bast</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Nov 2008 11:55:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A discussion on this topic, although I named it &quot;anti-light&quot;, is at my forum:
http://2012forum.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=5&amp;t=4739

Something you may want to consider is how fast a dark photon travels....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A discussion on this topic, although I named it &#8220;anti-light&#8221;, is at my forum:<br />
<a href="http://2012forum.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=5&#038;t=4739" rel="nofollow">http://2012forum.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=5&#038;t=4739</a></p>
<p>Something you may want to consider is how fast a dark photon travels&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Neil B</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2008/10/29/dark-photons/comment-page-1/#comment-46548</link>
		<dc:creator>Neil B</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Nov 2008 02:22:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>(I hope this is OK to do, I got this &quot;lost&quot; comment from Sean using my browser cache of the old CV site):

Sean  on Nov 10th, 2008 at 12:32 pm

&lt;i&gt;Actually, axions are (usually) very much cold dark matter, not warm. It’s true that their masses are small — small enough to make them hot dark matter, if they were produced in thermal equilibrium. But they’re not; they come into existence at zero momentum as part of a Bose condensate. The energy per axion is enormously smaller than the energy per CMB photon.&lt;/i&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>(I hope this is OK to do, I got this &#8220;lost&#8221; comment from Sean using my browser cache of the old CV site):</p>
<p>Sean  on Nov 10th, 2008 at 12:32 pm</p>
<p><i>Actually, axions are (usually) very much cold dark matter, not warm. It’s true that their masses are small — small enough to make them hot dark matter, if they were produced in thermal equilibrium. But they’re not; they come into existence at zero momentum as part of a Bose condensate. The energy per axion is enormously smaller than the energy per CMB photon.</i></p>
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		<title>By: Jason Dick</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2008/10/29/dark-photons/comment-page-1/#comment-45195</link>
		<dc:creator>Jason Dick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Nov 2008 15:53:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Neil,

Well, structure formation arguments basically rule out MACHO&#039;s, as we see the evidence of dark matter even within the CMB, which was long before any compact objects had a chance to form.  The Bullet Cluster does not, because MACHO&#039;s are just as non-interacting as the stars and galaxies: they&#039;re few and far between, so they mostly just miss one another in a collision like that.

The difficulty with axions is that they have very low mass, which makes them a candidate for &quot;warm&quot; dark matter, which seems to not fit well with our current observations of structure formation.  But, more observations are necessary to really say this with confidence, and perhaps the 21cm and cosmic shear observations will weigh in here to say something definitive.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Neil,</p>
<p>Well, structure formation arguments basically rule out MACHO&#8217;s, as we see the evidence of dark matter even within the CMB, which was long before any compact objects had a chance to form.  The Bullet Cluster does not, because MACHO&#8217;s are just as non-interacting as the stars and galaxies: they&#8217;re few and far between, so they mostly just miss one another in a collision like that.</p>
<p>The difficulty with axions is that they have very low mass, which makes them a candidate for &#8220;warm&#8221; dark matter, which seems to not fit well with our current observations of structure formation.  But, more observations are necessary to really say this with confidence, and perhaps the 21cm and cosmic shear observations will weigh in here to say something definitive.</p>
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