Comments on: Godless Money

By: Marbelcal

Marbelcal — Sat, 01 Nov 2008 12:18:25 +0000

It seems most of you have missed the point—the fact that the add calls Kay Hagan an atheist when in fact she is not. I’m from NC, and I voted against Dole because of blatent lies like this one. Hagan has filed suit against Dole and her campaine over this add.

By: Ray

Ray — Fri, 31 Oct 2008 00:27:34 +0000

David: When ‘under God’ was added, I always refused to include that phrase, even before I began thinking about the religious connotation. As a poet since early childhood, I found those two inserted words ruined the flow of the whole pledge.
The right-wing jingoist who modified a perfectly good piece also had a tin ear.
I refused the phrase because it is poetically ugly. The political ugliness only dawned on me when I grew up.

Addition of that phrase was rather like many people (including me) flying American flags after 9/11. To me, it was as a gesture of solidarity with the victims. It soon became a phony badge of patriotism, so I took it off my car, lest it be misinterpreted as solidarity with phony patriots, most of whom never spent a day in uniform or served their country in any capacity but taxpayer.

I am a veteran and I know what my beliefs are re religion and patriotism.
I don’t need any two-by-twice $%^& telling me how to be patriotic – or that I need to prove it to anyone. Not with a flag, not with an ‘under God’ recitation.

By: ObsessiveMathsFreak

ObsessiveMathsFreak — Thu, 30 Oct 2008 10:39:15 +0000

Why should it make a difference which god someone believes in or whether or not they do believe in one? Those are personal beliefs that shouldn’t be a factor in political discussions.

But it would seem that in America, religion is an inherently political institution. One cannot have a religious belief, or lack thereof, without it either being a political stance or perceived as one. Therefore, in America, I do not think it is valid to say that religion is a personal matter anymore. American’s have failed to separate their religious and political spheres.

By: Lawrence B. Crowell

Lawrence B. Crowell — Thu, 30 Oct 2008 00:11:53 +0000

Besides, the pledge of Allegiance is questionable on almost every point, including the idea this nation is founded on feudalist ideas such as an allegiance. An allegiance to a flag? A flag can be a liege-lord I swear my vassal status to? Examples of strangeness are such as “one nation indivisible” — such as 1861-65 I suppose? One nation under God? Doesn’t every nation get that delusion now and then?

Lawrence B. Crowell

By: David

David — Thu, 30 Oct 2008 00:09:52 +0000

Mark you really hurt my feelings by call me a troll (ya right) So do a Noble thing for all of us get off the net these kind of remarks are not need here. To Miller you seem to no a lot on histroy. I did no that, but to me this is the way i grow up by saying these words and have no problem with it on the money or being back in the schools. I do think there are a lot more importent things to be worried about. and before any one comments on my spelling I will be the frist to say im not the brightest light bulb in the light fixture but im happy for what i im a person that has god in my heart.

By: Mark

Mark — Wed, 29 Oct 2008 23:26:29 +0000

Guys. Your intentions are noble, but David is a troll and best ignored.

By: miller

miller — Wed, 29 Oct 2008 23:18:07 +0000

Also, to David, it’s a well known fact that “Under god” was inserted into the pledge during the McCarthy Era (1954, to be exact). The pledge itself didn’t even exist until 1892. Similarly, “In god we trust” only became the national motto in 1956 (though first appeared on a coin in 1864). So… what was it that we forgot again?

Yeah, I’m pretty sure that the godless agenda doesn’t involve taking anyone’s god away from them. As for taking the word “god” out of the pledge and out of currency, those would be nice, but mostly symbolic. You really don’t need to have your beliefs affirmed by some words on a coin anyways.

By: miller

miller — Wed, 29 Oct 2008 23:02:44 +0000

This has been in the news (in atheist circles) for a while. Here are some further links: One Two In link number two, it's not just Elizabeth Dole, but the entire National Republican Senatorial Committee putting out the ad.

By: MZ

MZ — Wed, 29 Oct 2008 23:00:32 +0000

That last bit was hilarious. What did Hagan promise in return? (unknown female voice) There is no God.

By implication she joined the Evil Underground Atheist Conspiracy. First hazing ritual? Molest a child.

By: Don

Don — Wed, 29 Oct 2008 22:46:08 +0000

Forcefully inserting religion into political decisions does one thing best; it frightens young children.

Forcefully removing religion from political decisions does one thing best; it frightens young children.

Question your fears.