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		<title>By: spyder</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2008/11/04/fired-up-ready-to-go/comment-page-1/#comment-45396</link>
		<dc:creator>spyder</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Nov 2008 07:42:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Agonizing because we vote by mail, and i have been waiting a week for the process to run its course.  Total and complete relief; even though i know the hard work is only just beginning.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Agonizing because we vote by mail, and i have been waiting a week for the process to run its course.  Total and complete relief; even though i know the hard work is only just beginning.</p>
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		<title>By: Serge</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2008/11/04/fired-up-ready-to-go/comment-page-1/#comment-45397</link>
		<dc:creator>Serge</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Nov 2008 21:26:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Looks like &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jesusland&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Jesusland and United States of Canada&lt;/a&gt; again.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Looks like <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jesusland" rel="nofollow">Jesusland and United States of Canada</a> again.</p>
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		<title>By: tacitus</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2008/11/04/fired-up-ready-to-go/comment-page-1/#comment-45395</link>
		<dc:creator>tacitus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Nov 2008 19:49:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>D&#039;oh!  I should learn to read more than half a post before commenting.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>D&#8217;oh!  I should learn to read more than half a post before commenting.</p>
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		<title>By: Sili</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2008/11/04/fired-up-ready-to-go/comment-page-1/#comment-45394</link>
		<dc:creator>Sili</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Nov 2008 19:41:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The poor guy has aged fast lately.

I really like that picture. I honestly cannot see McCain stooping like that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The poor guy has aged fast lately.</p>
<p>I really like that picture. I honestly cannot see McCain stooping like that.</p>
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		<title>By: Sean</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sean</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Nov 2008 19:36:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As mentioned, the map is not a prediction.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As mentioned, the map is not a prediction.</p>
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		<title>By: Allyson</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2008/11/04/fired-up-ready-to-go/comment-page-1/#comment-45411</link>
		<dc:creator>Allyson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Nov 2008 19:14:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Los Feliz, CA and about a two hour wait. A young woman at the coffee bean (why yes, I did get a latte and I am a liberal) was just about jumping out of her skin about voting for the first time.

I can&#039;t believe I&#039;m at work! I want to go home and watch the election show on CNN and fret about Prop 8.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Los Feliz, CA and about a two hour wait. A young woman at the coffee bean (why yes, I did get a latte and I am a liberal) was just about jumping out of her skin about voting for the first time.</p>
<p>I can&#8217;t believe I&#8217;m at work! I want to go home and watch the election show on CNN and fret about Prop 8.</p>
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		<title>By: tacitus</title>
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		<dc:creator>tacitus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Nov 2008 19:09:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Heh, Sean, you must have been channeling that innate Democratic pessimism when you put together that map.  You have Pennsylvania, Nevada, Virginia, and Colorado as toss-up states and yet almost all the polls have Obama leading those states at or above the margin of error.   Meanwhile you have Georgia, Arizona, Montana, North Carolina, and North Dakota as locks for McCain, yet their polls are all as tight, if not tighter than those above you put in the toss up column.

I don&#039;t blame you, at all, after the last two elections, but even Karl Rove produced a more favorable map for Obama!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Heh, Sean, you must have been channeling that innate Democratic pessimism when you put together that map.  You have Pennsylvania, Nevada, Virginia, and Colorado as toss-up states and yet almost all the polls have Obama leading those states at or above the margin of error.   Meanwhile you have Georgia, Arizona, Montana, North Carolina, and North Dakota as locks for McCain, yet their polls are all as tight, if not tighter than those above you put in the toss up column.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t blame you, at all, after the last two elections, but even Karl Rove produced a more favorable map for Obama!</p>
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		<title>By: Justin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Justin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Nov 2008 19:05:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Neil B - agreed wholeheartedly.  We need an absolutely tamper proof system if we move to electronic voting of any kind.  Electronic fraud can swing large numbers of votes with little effort.  That being said,  extremely committed supporters can easily cross state lines, submit fraudulent absentee ballots, and generally perpetrate fraud pretty easily.

Clearly machines require less effort, but I submit that in the end it is actually more easily combated.  One or two whistle blowers and the whole house of cards comes tumbling down.  Diebold is already taking heat - although I have no idea why they even exist today.  They should have been sued into oblivion just for equipment malfunctions alone, let alone malfeseance.

Distributed, &quot;Army of Davids&quot; style fraud however is much more difficult to police.  Compare the resources of a one class-action lawsuit against Diebold, Sequoia, etc. versus 10,000 individual, criminal lawsuits.  The later also affords more deniability for the political parties.

Both are already happening right now in this election and it completely sickens me.  At this point every ballot should be done on paper and the voter should be given a paper receipt.

A few links to get you fired up (as fraud of any color should):

Machines in Philly switching Obama votes - http://blogs.independent.co.uk/openhouse/2008/10/the-vote-grab-1.html

Military folks don&#039;t get enough time to cast their ballots legally because VA didn&#039;t mail them soon enough - http://hamptonroads.com/print/486648

Just total crazy time in Philly - Repub. monitors tossed because they weren&#039;t the people on the pre-established list - now it&#039;s in court - http://townhall.com/blog/g/cf47766b-5a6d-44ab-95e7-ce60631bcadc

Street Money - legally paying people to vote?  Total BS and both sides do it - http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/pittsburghtrib/blogs/fortyfourthestate/show_comments.php?entry_id=3481

Woman from NY illegally voting in FL - idiot blogged and took pictures of it - http://wthrockmorton.com/2008/11/02/hey-florida-is-this-ok-with-you/

More machine problems in Philly - http://www.philly.com/philly/blogs/politics/18002279.html

At least our local paper the Cincinnati Enquirer has a fantastic website that let&#039;s voters post problems out to a public area.  http://dunes.cincinnati.com/data/election/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Neil B &#8211; agreed wholeheartedly.  We need an absolutely tamper proof system if we move to electronic voting of any kind.  Electronic fraud can swing large numbers of votes with little effort.  That being said,  extremely committed supporters can easily cross state lines, submit fraudulent absentee ballots, and generally perpetrate fraud pretty easily.</p>
<p>Clearly machines require less effort, but I submit that in the end it is actually more easily combated.  One or two whistle blowers and the whole house of cards comes tumbling down.  Diebold is already taking heat &#8211; although I have no idea why they even exist today.  They should have been sued into oblivion just for equipment malfunctions alone, let alone malfeseance.</p>
<p>Distributed, &#8220;Army of Davids&#8221; style fraud however is much more difficult to police.  Compare the resources of a one class-action lawsuit against Diebold, Sequoia, etc. versus 10,000 individual, criminal lawsuits.  The later also affords more deniability for the political parties.</p>
<p>Both are already happening right now in this election and it completely sickens me.  At this point every ballot should be done on paper and the voter should be given a paper receipt.</p>
<p>A few links to get you fired up (as fraud of any color should):</p>
<p>Machines in Philly switching Obama votes &#8211; <a href="http://blogs.independent.co.uk/openhouse/2008/10/the-vote-grab-1.html" rel="nofollow">http://blogs.independent.co.uk/openhouse/2008/10/the-vote-grab-1.html</a></p>
<p>Military folks don&#8217;t get enough time to cast their ballots legally because VA didn&#8217;t mail them soon enough &#8211; <a href="http://hamptonroads.com/print/486648" rel="nofollow">http://hamptonroads.com/print/486648</a></p>
<p>Just total crazy time in Philly &#8211; Repub. monitors tossed because they weren&#8217;t the people on the pre-established list &#8211; now it&#8217;s in court &#8211; <a href="http://townhall.com/blog/g/cf47766b-5a6d-44ab-95e7-ce60631bcadc" rel="nofollow">http://townhall.com/blog/g/cf47766b-5a6d-44ab-95e7-ce60631bcadc</a></p>
<p>Street Money &#8211; legally paying people to vote?  Total BS and both sides do it &#8211; <a href="http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/pittsburghtrib/blogs/fortyfourthestate/show_comments.php?entry_id=3481" rel="nofollow">http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/pittsburghtrib/blogs/fortyfourthestate/show_comments.php?entry_id=3481</a></p>
<p>Woman from NY illegally voting in FL &#8211; idiot blogged and took pictures of it &#8211; <a href="http://wthrockmorton.com/2008/11/02/hey-florida-is-this-ok-with-you/" rel="nofollow">http://wthrockmorton.com/2008/11/02/hey-florida-is-this-ok-with-you/</a></p>
<p>More machine problems in Philly &#8211; <a href="http://www.philly.com/philly/blogs/politics/18002279.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.philly.com/philly/blogs/politics/18002279.html</a></p>
<p>At least our local paper the Cincinnati Enquirer has a fantastic website that let&#8217;s voters post problems out to a public area.  <a href="http://dunes.cincinnati.com/data/election/" rel="nofollow">http://dunes.cincinnati.com/data/election/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Costanza</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2008/11/04/fired-up-ready-to-go/comment-page-1/#comment-45398</link>
		<dc:creator>Costanza</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Nov 2008 18:32:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>another nifty polling site is Pollster.com</description>
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		<title>By: Luke</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2008/11/04/fired-up-ready-to-go/comment-page-1/#comment-45399</link>
		<dc:creator>Luke</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Nov 2008 18:17:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Regarding &quot;nationalizing the means of production&quot;, etc.: The Republicans have made it clear to the nation that Obama is advocating socialism. So if Obama wins today, that means that the American will have chosen socialism. I hope Obama gets started by implementing &quot;socialized medicine&quot;, which would be supported by 60% - 65% of the population.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Regarding &#8220;nationalizing the means of production&#8221;, etc.: The Republicans have made it clear to the nation that Obama is advocating socialism. So if Obama wins today, that means that the American will have chosen socialism. I hope Obama gets started by implementing &#8220;socialized medicine&#8221;, which would be supported by 60% &#8211; 65% of the population.</p>
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