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	<title>Comments on: A Special Place in the Universe</title>
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		<title>By: Thomas D</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2008/11/07/a-special-place-in-the-universe/comment-page-1/#comment-46949</link>
		<dc:creator>Thomas D</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Nov 2008 14:25:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Two remarks. First on the salesmanship - you can list all the &#039;anomalies&#039; you like, but no-one has found any way of putting them together coherently. Of course it would be great if one found that (say) the &#039;dark flow&#039; was aligned with the &#039;axis of evil&#039; and the possible quadrupole power asymmetry, but this doesn&#039;t seem to be the case (eg &#039;dark flow&#039; is apparently more or less along the galactic plane as we see it...) 
Or perhaps you are waiting until the next paper to show that the results of the monstrous equations do exactly that.
Anyway there is one CMB anomaly you don&#039;t mention that seems to _disfavour_ extra sources of non-isotropy - namely the vanishing of the correlation at large angular scales. If some weird symmetry violation were going on at large scales you could naively expect it to boost the correlation not flatten it.

Second, you seem to be implying (eq.2) that the translation non-invariance is characterised by a fixed _comoving_ length scale. So the zone of influence of the &#039;speck of dust&#039; (or piece of string, etc) that sources the violation effectively grows along with the scale factor. While this may be convenient for considering things occurring at one given era, it seems physically counterintuitive. If the new physics that produces translation non-invariance has a certain length scale, which generally implies an energy scale, I would not expect this scale to change hugely with time. This is more or less what you are arguing anyway in comparing the inflationary energy density to the Planck energy: you are thinking that new physics kicks in with a certain fixed physical (not comoving) energy and length scale. 
Of course the imprints which it leaves at any given time will grow with the Universe&#039;s expansion, so the actual effect on the calculations might not be very large.

This could have some bearing on the question of whether you need to assume that &#039;the violation vanishes after the inflationary era&#039;. If the _physical_ length scale of the violation is fixed, say somewhere round the GUT scale, then it doesn&#039;t have to be turned off by hand - it just gets diluted to insignificance once the Hubble length gets much bigger.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Two remarks. First on the salesmanship &#8211; you can list all the &#8216;anomalies&#8217; you like, but no-one has found any way of putting them together coherently. Of course it would be great if one found that (say) the &#8216;dark flow&#8217; was aligned with the &#8216;axis of evil&#8217; and the possible quadrupole power asymmetry, but this doesn&#8217;t seem to be the case (eg &#8216;dark flow&#8217; is apparently more or less along the galactic plane as we see it&#8230;)<br />
Or perhaps you are waiting until the next paper to show that the results of the monstrous equations do exactly that.<br />
Anyway there is one CMB anomaly you don&#8217;t mention that seems to _disfavour_ extra sources of non-isotropy &#8211; namely the vanishing of the correlation at large angular scales. If some weird symmetry violation were going on at large scales you could naively expect it to boost the correlation not flatten it.</p>
<p>Second, you seem to be implying (eq.2) that the translation non-invariance is characterised by a fixed _comoving_ length scale. So the zone of influence of the &#8217;speck of dust&#8217; (or piece of string, etc) that sources the violation effectively grows along with the scale factor. While this may be convenient for considering things occurring at one given era, it seems physically counterintuitive. If the new physics that produces translation non-invariance has a certain length scale, which generally implies an energy scale, I would not expect this scale to change hugely with time. This is more or less what you are arguing anyway in comparing the inflationary energy density to the Planck energy: you are thinking that new physics kicks in with a certain fixed physical (not comoving) energy and length scale.<br />
Of course the imprints which it leaves at any given time will grow with the Universe&#8217;s expansion, so the actual effect on the calculations might not be very large.</p>
<p>This could have some bearing on the question of whether you need to assume that &#8216;the violation vanishes after the inflationary era&#8217;. If the _physical_ length scale of the violation is fixed, say somewhere round the GUT scale, then it doesn&#8217;t have to be turned off by hand &#8211; it just gets diluted to insignificance once the Hubble length gets much bigger.</p>
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		<title>By: Jesse</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2008/11/07/a-special-place-in-the-universe/comment-page-1/#comment-46628</link>
		<dc:creator>Jesse</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Nov 2008 16:06:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The eminent R. Munroe weighs in with a theory of his own:
http://xkcd.com/502/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The eminent R. Munroe weighs in with a theory of his own:<br />
<a href="http://xkcd.com/502/" rel="nofollow">http://xkcd.com/502/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Mike</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2008/11/07/a-special-place-in-the-universe/comment-page-1/#comment-46575</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Nov 2008 06:33:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting.

But I&#039;m really not too impressed that one can make &quot;impressively precise predictions&quot; with the current hypothesis. The current set of hypothesis gives one so many degrees of freedom that practically anything can be &quot;predicted&quot;. E.g., you want to explain the distribution and velocities of matter in a galaxy. How do you do that in the current regime? Well, you design a distribution of &quot;dark matter&quot; specifically to explain the observations, overlay it on the galaxy, and -- surprise! -- it predicts your observations with impressive precision. Doesn&#039;t seem very satisfying to me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting.</p>
<p>But I&#8217;m really not too impressed that one can make &#8220;impressively precise predictions&#8221; with the current hypothesis. The current set of hypothesis gives one so many degrees of freedom that practically anything can be &#8220;predicted&#8221;. E.g., you want to explain the distribution and velocities of matter in a galaxy. How do you do that in the current regime? Well, you design a distribution of &#8220;dark matter&#8221; specifically to explain the observations, overlay it on the galaxy, and &#8212; surprise! &#8212; it predicts your observations with impressive precision. Doesn&#8217;t seem very satisfying to me.</p>
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		<title>By: Sean</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2008/11/07/a-special-place-in-the-universe/comment-page-1/#comment-45507</link>
		<dc:creator>Sean</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Nov 2008 22:02:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Eugene, you could be right -- I wasn&#039;t even thinking about non-gaussianities.  I&#039;ll have a look.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Eugene, you could be right &#8212; I wasn&#8217;t even thinking about non-gaussianities.  I&#8217;ll have a look.</p>
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		<title>By: Robert Gagnon</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2008/11/07/a-special-place-in-the-universe/comment-page-1/#comment-45506</link>
		<dc:creator>Robert Gagnon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Nov 2008 15:38:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is neat in a special way to read, even if I don&#039;t understand the essence of what&#039;s going on, science being done in this special part of the blogosphere.

Sean, thank you for your willingness to post this kind of stuff! I like your political ideas too!

You can keep the puppies. They leave too much biological dirt!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is neat in a special way to read, even if I don&#8217;t understand the essence of what&#8217;s going on, science being done in this special part of the blogosphere.</p>
<p>Sean, thank you for your willingness to post this kind of stuff! I like your political ideas too!</p>
<p>You can keep the puppies. They leave too much biological dirt!</p>
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		<title>By: Steve</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2008/11/07/a-special-place-in-the-universe/comment-page-1/#comment-45505</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Nov 2008 13:12:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Don&#039;t we already have tight constraints on these symmetries from tests of the conservation laws they induce via Noether&#039;s theorem?  What am I missing?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Don&#8217;t we already have tight constraints on these symmetries from tests of the conservation laws they induce via Noether&#8217;s theorem?  What am I missing?</p>
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		<title>By: Eugene</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2008/11/07/a-special-place-in-the-universe/comment-page-1/#comment-45509</link>
		<dc:creator>Eugene</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Nov 2008 02:36:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>errr, the first equation sohuld be

&amp;lt \delta_0 \delta_0 \delta_1 &amp;gt ~ (x-z)^2/d^2 P_k^2

(P_k is the power spectrum)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>errr, the first equation sohuld be</p>
<p>&amp;lt \delta_0 \delta_0 \delta_1 &amp;gt ~ (x-z)^2/d^2 P_k^2</p>
<p>(P_k is the power spectrum)</p>
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		<title>By: Eugene</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2008/11/07/a-special-place-in-the-universe/comment-page-1/#comment-45508</link>
		<dc:creator>Eugene</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Nov 2008 02:35:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Sean,

Have you taken a look at the non-gaussianities for such a model? I.e. the leading non-Gaussian term would be

 ~ (x-z)/d^2 P_k^2

if we assume \delta_1 is some form of expansion in \delta, i.e. \delta_1 ~ \delta_0^2.

This looks suspiciously like the f_NL bound that you might just grab off from WMAP5 results (roughly).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Sean,</p>
<p>Have you taken a look at the non-gaussianities for such a model? I.e. the leading non-Gaussian term would be</p>
<p> ~ (x-z)/d^2 P_k^2</p>
<p>if we assume \delta_1 is some form of expansion in \delta, i.e. \delta_1 ~ \delta_0^2.</p>
<p>This looks suspiciously like the f_NL bound that you might just grab off from WMAP5 results (roughly).</p>
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		<title>By: Sean</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sean</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Nov 2008 00:25:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>John and Erik--  There are different levels at which you can break a spacetime symmetry.  What we usually think of as &quot;spontaneous symmetry breaking&quot; really refers to symmetry breaking in the vacuum, and that&#039;s when you get Goldstone modes.  In cosmology, matter and radiation certainly do pick out a preferred rest frame (or more rigorously, a set of spacelike slices), but the universe is not in the vacuum, so we don&#039;t really think of it as spontaneous symmetry breaking.  (But it is still a very good question -- what picked out that rest frame over all others?)  Likewise, in this paper we are imagining a violation of translational invariance during inflation, which leaves an imprint on the CMB, but the laws of physics (and the vacuum state) are still translationally invariant.  Imagine instead a &quot;speck of dust&quot; that was in our Hubble patch during inflation, and left its mark on the perturbations.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>John and Erik&#8211;  There are different levels at which you can break a spacetime symmetry.  What we usually think of as &#8220;spontaneous symmetry breaking&#8221; really refers to symmetry breaking in the vacuum, and that&#8217;s when you get Goldstone modes.  In cosmology, matter and radiation certainly do pick out a preferred rest frame (or more rigorously, a set of spacelike slices), but the universe is not in the vacuum, so we don&#8217;t really think of it as spontaneous symmetry breaking.  (But it is still a very good question &#8212; what picked out that rest frame over all others?)  Likewise, in this paper we are imagining a violation of translational invariance during inflation, which leaves an imprint on the CMB, but the laws of physics (and the vacuum state) are still translationally invariant.  Imagine instead a &#8220;speck of dust&#8221; that was in our Hubble patch during inflation, and left its mark on the perturbations.</p>
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		<title>By: Erik</title>
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		<dc:creator>Erik</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Nov 2008 22:54:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just curious: If you break a global symmetry you get Goldstone modes. In particular: if you break translational invariance, as happens for instance in a crystal,  you get density fluctuations (phonons in the crystal). Do you imagine something similar could happen on cosmological scales by breaking these symmetries?  If so, do you have an idea what the Goldstone modes might be ?  Somehow the analog seems to be a gravitational wave if you break translational invariance....How about rotational  invariance?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just curious: If you break a global symmetry you get Goldstone modes. In particular: if you break translational invariance, as happens for instance in a crystal,  you get density fluctuations (phonons in the crystal). Do you imagine something similar could happen on cosmological scales by breaking these symmetries?  If so, do you have an idea what the Goldstone modes might be ?  Somehow the analog seems to be a gravitational wave if you break translational invariance&#8230;.How about rotational  invariance?</p>
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