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		<title>By: Brendan</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2008/12/17/gabriela-montero/comment-page-1/#comment-55167</link>
		<dc:creator>Brendan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Dec 2008 09:34:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great find, Sean.  A truly beautiful moment.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great find, Sean.  A truly beautiful moment.</p>
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		<title>By: Venus Hottentot and the Irony of Science &#124; Cosmic Variance &#124; Discover Magazine</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2008/12/17/gabriela-montero/comment-page-1/#comment-53889</link>
		<dc:creator>Venus Hottentot and the Irony of Science &#124; Cosmic Variance &#124; Discover Magazine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Dec 2008 16:49:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] of the other good choices made by Obama&#8217;s inaugural planners was inviting Elizabeth Alexander to compose [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] of the other good choices made by Obama&#8217;s inaugural planners was inviting Elizabeth Alexander to compose [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Tom</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2008/12/17/gabriela-montero/comment-page-1/#comment-53572</link>
		<dc:creator>Tom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Dec 2008 15:02:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Reed,
I was heartedned by your comment - that the choice ro Warren was Congress&#039;.  Sadly, the link you gave now has an update - and it is clear that the choice was Obamas.  
I guess we just have to chalk this up to &quot;mending fences&quot; and trying to get unity and concensus... even if he uses a divisive figure to do so.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Reed,<br />
I was heartedned by your comment &#8211; that the choice ro Warren was Congress&#8217;.  Sadly, the link you gave now has an update &#8211; and it is clear that the choice was Obamas.<br />
I guess we just have to chalk this up to &#8220;mending fences&#8221; and trying to get unity and concensus&#8230; even if he uses a divisive figure to do so.</p>
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		<title>By: John Phillips, FCD</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2008/12/17/gabriela-montero/comment-page-1/#comment-53424</link>
		<dc:creator>John Phillips, FCD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Dec 2008 00:19:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If you oppose giving rights that you enjoy to members of a sub group, however that sub group is defined, which causes no harm to anyone except in your imagination, then you are a bigot. The fact that millions or even billions agree with your position doesn&#039;t mean that you and they are not bigots. Popularity of an idea imparts nothing to its correctness, e.g. the popularity of the creation science/ID oxymoron. Wasn&#039;t Warren the one who equated homosexuality and same sex marriage with paedophilia and incest? If that isn&#039;t bigotry, I don&#039;t know what is.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you oppose giving rights that you enjoy to members of a sub group, however that sub group is defined, which causes no harm to anyone except in your imagination, then you are a bigot. The fact that millions or even billions agree with your position doesn&#8217;t mean that you and they are not bigots. Popularity of an idea imparts nothing to its correctness, e.g. the popularity of the creation science/ID oxymoron. Wasn&#8217;t Warren the one who equated homosexuality and same sex marriage with paedophilia and incest? If that isn&#8217;t bigotry, I don&#8217;t know what is.</p>
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		<title>By: Low Math, Meekly Interacting</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2008/12/17/gabriela-montero/comment-page-1/#comment-53409</link>
		<dc:creator>Low Math, Meekly Interacting</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Dec 2008 22:12:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Having considered the Warren issue for a few days, I must conclude that it&#039;s troubling in the extreme that Obama would even consider giving Warren the opportunity to officiate in a Presidential Inauguration, and lends further credence to a suspicion that the man is far, far more cynical than he lets on.  He might have gotten a pass with Wright, but if he fools us twice with this one, the shame is ours.  One school of thought was that he had little concern for Wright&#039;s more lunatic sermons one way or another, and continued past his youth to make his home in the TUCC because it gave him the cred with mainstream African Americans, who rightly viewed him as culturally distinct from themselves, necessary to support his presidential ambitions.

Talking and meeting with Warren is one thing.  I would endorse that just as I would endorse reversing the Bush administration&#039;s policy of cutting of all useful dialog with leaders in the so-called Axis of Evil.  Not communicating with your enemy, ever, is self-defeating.  We don&#039;t have to make our enemies honored participants in our most cherished celebrations, however, to show a good-faith  desire to achieve greater understanding.  Ehid Olmert (or his successor) doesn&#039;t need to invite Ahmedinejad to a Seder to show he wants peace with Iran.

Is Warren the enemy?  I&#039;m afraid the only reasonable answer is yes.  Obama claims gays and lesbians should be afforded the same human rights as any other minority groups, i.e. they should be no more expected to tolerate a bigot in their midst than blacks or Jews, I would imagine.  What is a man who, without hesitation or remorse, declares gays and lesbians the moral equivalent of pedophiles and beastialists?  Who throws the full weight of his wealth and stature behind a constitutional amendment, the first of its kind, to strip an entire class of people of a legal right they once enjoyed?  I don&#039;t care how many AIDS victims he&#039;s saved, Warren&#039;s misdeeds are only forgivable when he rescinds his position and works to reverse the damage in CA he&#039;s helped cause.

Until that time, he simply has no place in an Inauguration, no more than David Duke would, or, for that matter, Jeremiah Wright.  Surely a man of Obama&#039;s intelligence must realize how untenable any argument for Warren&#039;s participation must be in the face of these facts.  All except, perhaps, the most calculating and amorally pragmatic sort, the sort that regards Warren as very useful for something.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Having considered the Warren issue for a few days, I must conclude that it&#8217;s troubling in the extreme that Obama would even consider giving Warren the opportunity to officiate in a Presidential Inauguration, and lends further credence to a suspicion that the man is far, far more cynical than he lets on.  He might have gotten a pass with Wright, but if he fools us twice with this one, the shame is ours.  One school of thought was that he had little concern for Wright&#8217;s more lunatic sermons one way or another, and continued past his youth to make his home in the TUCC because it gave him the cred with mainstream African Americans, who rightly viewed him as culturally distinct from themselves, necessary to support his presidential ambitions.</p>
<p>Talking and meeting with Warren is one thing.  I would endorse that just as I would endorse reversing the Bush administration&#8217;s policy of cutting of all useful dialog with leaders in the so-called Axis of Evil.  Not communicating with your enemy, ever, is self-defeating.  We don&#8217;t have to make our enemies honored participants in our most cherished celebrations, however, to show a good-faith  desire to achieve greater understanding.  Ehid Olmert (or his successor) doesn&#8217;t need to invite Ahmedinejad to a Seder to show he wants peace with Iran.</p>
<p>Is Warren the enemy?  I&#8217;m afraid the only reasonable answer is yes.  Obama claims gays and lesbians should be afforded the same human rights as any other minority groups, i.e. they should be no more expected to tolerate a bigot in their midst than blacks or Jews, I would imagine.  What is a man who, without hesitation or remorse, declares gays and lesbians the moral equivalent of pedophiles and beastialists?  Who throws the full weight of his wealth and stature behind a constitutional amendment, the first of its kind, to strip an entire class of people of a legal right they once enjoyed?  I don&#8217;t care how many AIDS victims he&#8217;s saved, Warren&#8217;s misdeeds are only forgivable when he rescinds his position and works to reverse the damage in CA he&#8217;s helped cause.</p>
<p>Until that time, he simply has no place in an Inauguration, no more than David Duke would, or, for that matter, Jeremiah Wright.  Surely a man of Obama&#8217;s intelligence must realize how untenable any argument for Warren&#8217;s participation must be in the face of these facts.  All except, perhaps, the most calculating and amorally pragmatic sort, the sort that regards Warren as very useful for something.</p>
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		<title>By: Belizean</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2008/12/17/gabriela-montero/comment-page-1/#comment-53402</link>
		<dc:creator>Belizean</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Dec 2008 21:41:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Sean’s argument based on “rights” and “bigotry” is just not rational. If he wants two boys to be able to marry, then make a rational case. Appealing to “rights and bigotry” is a non-starter.&quot;

Otis, Sean is a devout Leftist.  You cannot expect anyone, including Sean, to be fully rational about the fundamental tenets of his religion.  You might want to cut him some slack in this area and focus on his posts about physics.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Sean’s argument based on “rights” and “bigotry” is just not rational. If he wants two boys to be able to marry, then make a rational case. Appealing to “rights and bigotry” is a non-starter.&#8221;</p>
<p>Otis, Sean is a devout Leftist.  You cannot expect anyone, including Sean, to be fully rational about the fundamental tenets of his religion.  You might want to cut him some slack in this area and focus on his posts about physics.</p>
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		<title>By: steve from brisbane</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2008/12/17/gabriela-montero/comment-page-1/#comment-53246</link>
		<dc:creator>steve from brisbane</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Dec 2008 01:49:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>By the way, is there a source for the statement that Obama opposes gay marriage for political rather than moral reasons?  Or is it just wishful thinking by gay marriage supporting Obama fans?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>By the way, is there a source for the statement that Obama opposes gay marriage for political rather than moral reasons?  Or is it just wishful thinking by gay marriage supporting Obama fans?</p>
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		<title>By: Otis</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2008/12/17/gabriela-montero/comment-page-1/#comment-53224</link>
		<dc:creator>Otis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Dec 2008 22:56:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;The many Americans who wish to deny gays and lesbians the rights we give to heterosexuals are bigots.&quot;

When it comes to marriage, both heterosexuals and homosexuals have equal rights.  Both must marry someone of the opposite gender.  In Texas we recently passed a constitutional amendment that defines marriage to be between one man and one woman.  When someone walks into the county office to apply for a marriage license, no one examines them to see if they are a homosexual in order to deny them a &quot;right.&quot;  No one knows or cares what their sexual preface is.  There are many homosexuals who have been married.  The recent governor of New Jersey is an example.

There are restrictions on who may become legally married and those restrictions apply equally to both heterosexuals and homosexuals.  In Texas, one must be 16 years of age, cannot marry a close relative, etc.  

Is a grandmother being denied the &quot;right&quot; to marry her grandson?  Sean&#039;s argument based on &quot;rights&quot; and &quot;bigotry&quot; is just not rational.  If he wants two boys to be able to marry, then make a rational case.  Appealing to &quot;rights and bigotry&quot; is a non-starter.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;The many Americans who wish to deny gays and lesbians the rights we give to heterosexuals are bigots.&#8221;</p>
<p>When it comes to marriage, both heterosexuals and homosexuals have equal rights.  Both must marry someone of the opposite gender.  In Texas we recently passed a constitutional amendment that defines marriage to be between one man and one woman.  When someone walks into the county office to apply for a marriage license, no one examines them to see if they are a homosexual in order to deny them a &#8220;right.&#8221;  No one knows or cares what their sexual preface is.  There are many homosexuals who have been married.  The recent governor of New Jersey is an example.</p>
<p>There are restrictions on who may become legally married and those restrictions apply equally to both heterosexuals and homosexuals.  In Texas, one must be 16 years of age, cannot marry a close relative, etc.  </p>
<p>Is a grandmother being denied the &#8220;right&#8221; to marry her grandson?  Sean&#8217;s argument based on &#8220;rights&#8221; and &#8220;bigotry&#8221; is just not rational.  If he wants two boys to be able to marry, then make a rational case.  Appealing to &#8220;rights and bigotry&#8221; is a non-starter.</p>
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		<title>By: Sean</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2008/12/17/gabriela-montero/comment-page-1/#comment-53199</link>
		<dc:creator>Sean</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Dec 2008 20:21:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Obama opposes gay marriage for political reasons, not for moral ones.  That is certainly a moral failing (&quot;cowardice&quot; or &quot;craven capitulation to political expediency&quot;), and deserves to be condemned on those grounds, but it&#039;s distinct from bigotry.

The many Americans who wish to deny gays and lesbians the rights we give to heterosexuals are bigots, just as the many Americans who long wished to deny other races the rights we gave to Caucasians were bigots.  If you wan to deny equal rights to people who aren&#039;t hurting you or anyone else, then that&#039;s what you are.

Some day we&#039;ll get to the point where people who hold such views will be embarrassed to admit them in public, but we&#039;re not nearly there yet.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Obama opposes gay marriage for political reasons, not for moral ones.  That is certainly a moral failing (&#8221;cowardice&#8221; or &#8220;craven capitulation to political expediency&#8221;), and deserves to be condemned on those grounds, but it&#8217;s distinct from bigotry.</p>
<p>The many Americans who wish to deny gays and lesbians the rights we give to heterosexuals are bigots, just as the many Americans who long wished to deny other races the rights we gave to Caucasians were bigots.  If you wan to deny equal rights to people who aren&#8217;t hurting you or anyone else, then that&#8217;s what you are.</p>
<p>Some day we&#8217;ll get to the point where people who hold such views will be embarrassed to admit them in public, but we&#8217;re not nearly there yet.</p>
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		<title>By: Scott</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2008/12/17/gabriela-montero/comment-page-1/#comment-53195</link>
		<dc:creator>Scott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Dec 2008 20:07:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you, Ottis... that is exactly the point I was trying to make with my original post.  The fact that I may oppose a practice or belief does not imply that I hate the one that practices or believes it.  I just happen to feel differently than they do.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you, Ottis&#8230; that is exactly the point I was trying to make with my original post.  The fact that I may oppose a practice or belief does not imply that I hate the one that practices or believes it.  I just happen to feel differently than they do.</p>
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