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		<title>By: Franko</title>
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		<dc:creator>Franko</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jan 2009 06:21:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bizarrely inspirational.
The planet is greening, courtesy of warming, rain, and extra CO2. The gift to Africa from America will be to reduce CO2, to starve their plants.(what do Obama’s African relatives think of this ?) -- Get another bunch of science advisers, Quick.
http://heliogenic.blogspot.com/search?q=obama</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bizarrely inspirational.<br />
The planet is greening, courtesy of warming, rain, and extra CO2. The gift to Africa from America will be to reduce CO2, to starve their plants.(what do Obama’s African relatives think of this ?) &#8212; Get another bunch of science advisers, Quick.<br />
<a href="http://heliogenic.blogspot.com/search?q=obama" rel="nofollow">http://heliogenic.blogspot.com/search?q=obama</a></p>
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		<title>By: modernrocko</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2008/12/20/the-end-of-hope/#comment-47946</link>
		<dc:creator>modernrocko</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Dec 2008 18:21:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s good to be home again.</description>
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		<title>By: Mandeep</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2008/12/20/the-end-of-hope/#comment-47945</link>
		<dc:creator>Mandeep</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Dec 2008 16:25:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tarun-  yes, i very much am indeed happy about that, with the above &#039;wait and see&#039; a bit caveats.  probably Samuel Bodman (who i saw speak once) wasn&#039;t the worst DOE head, but he def. was an chemical (and i think oil) man too, and didn&#039;t fight so much for basic science, and probably others have more info on how he actually did.

Gavin-  Obama has def. said he wants to double basic science R&amp;D over 10 yrs, and after watching this Youtube clip i feel more assured that he means that, but i doubt we&#039;ll see the NASA budget doubling next year or something..!

thx both for the comments,
M</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tarun-  yes, i very much am indeed happy about that, with the above &#8216;wait and see&#8217; a bit caveats.  probably Samuel Bodman (who i saw speak once) wasn&#8217;t the worst DOE head, but he def. was an chemical (and i think oil) man too, and didn&#8217;t fight so much for basic science, and probably others have more info on how he actually did.</p>
<p>Gavin-  Obama has def. said he wants to double basic science R&amp;D over 10 yrs, and after watching this Youtube clip i feel more assured that he means that, but i doubt we&#8217;ll see the NASA budget doubling next year or something..!</p>
<p>thx both for the comments,<br />
M</p>
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		<title>By: Boas Intenções Científicas de Obama &#171; Comentários, Críticas, Dicas etc.</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2008/12/20/the-end-of-hope/#comment-47944</link>
		<dc:creator>Boas Intenções Científicas de Obama &#171; Comentários, Críticas, Dicas etc.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Dec 2008 13:11:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Via The end of hope &#124; Cosmic Variance &#124; Discover Magazine. [...] </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Via The end of hope | Cosmic Variance | Discover Magazine. [...] </p>
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		<title>By: Gavin Flower</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gavin Flower</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Dec 2008 07:49:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think the budget for NASA will double, to add stimulus to the American Economy, and encourage advanced science...  Though I expect most of the extra money will be focussed on things near the Earth, but would also include money for heavy lift vehicles that would benefit larger interplanetary probes,</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the budget for NASA will double, to add stimulus to the American Economy, and encourage advanced science&#8230;  Though I expect most of the extra money will be focussed on things near the Earth, but would also include money for heavy lift vehicles that would benefit larger interplanetary probes,</p>
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		<title>By: Tarun</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2008/12/20/the-end-of-hope/#comment-47942</link>
		<dc:creator>Tarun</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Dec 2008 06:02:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ mandeep-- Regd. Steve Chu&#039;s appointment: shouldn&#039;t we just be happy that finally a Physicist would be heading DOE, for the first time in decades?
And as far as I know, funding in fundamentals of condensed matter has been as bad as in HEP in last four-five years, if not worse.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ mandeep&#8211; Regd. Steve Chu&#8217;s appointment: shouldn&#8217;t we just be happy that finally a Physicist would be heading DOE, for the first time in decades?<br />
And as far as I know, funding in fundamentals of condensed matter has been as bad as in HEP in last four-five years, if not worse.</p>
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		<title>By: links for 2008-12-21 &#60; kulturbrille:amanuensis</title>
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		<dc:creator>links for 2008-12-21 &#60; kulturbrille:amanuensis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Dec 2008 00:03:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] The end of hope &#124; Cosmic Variance &#124; Discover Magazine Because the truth is that promoting science isn’t just about providing resources—it’s about protecting free and open inquiry. It’s about ensuring that facts and evidence are never twisted or obscured by politics or ideology. It’s about listening to what our scientists have to say, even when it’s inconvenient—especially when it’s inconvenient. Because the highest purpose of science is the search for knowledge, truth and a greater understanding of the world around us. That will be my goal as President of the United States—and I could not have a better team to guide me in this work. (tags: science obama) [...] </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] The end of hope | Cosmic Variance | Discover Magazine Because the truth is that promoting science isn’t just about providing resources—it’s about protecting free and open inquiry. It’s about ensuring that facts and evidence are never twisted or obscured by politics or ideology. It’s about listening to what our scientists have to say, even when it’s inconvenient—especially when it’s inconvenient. Because the highest purpose of science is the search for knowledge, truth and a greater understanding of the world around us. That will be my goal as President of the United States—and I could not have a better team to guide me in this work. (tags: science obama) [...] </p>
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		<title>By: mandeep gill</title>
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		<dc:creator>mandeep gill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Dec 2008 20:35:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dan-  ok, i agree with you -- up to a point.  i&#039;m pretty psyched about getting back to &#039;normalcy&#039; as commenter TS says above, and i&#039;ve always liked how Barack speaks in high and reverent terms about science -- he is clearly a man of the modern era.

A couple of things give me pause, though:

- For all the praise dumped on Steve Chu, i am wary, and i&#039;ve wanted to say this for a while somewhere -- i know him a bit (almost TA&#039;d QM for him once) and know his demeanor is a bit chilly.  ok, no biggie, for politics, as long as he&#039;s competent and non-idelogically driven, right?  but do remember he&#039;s a condensed matter physicist, and he&#039;s about to be in charge of the DOE, which is where all HEP and increasingly more astrophysics funding is coming out of (e.g. DES).  how sympathetic is he to these?  remember that we (in the HEP+astro community) have been suffering mightily the last few years under flat-flat (or worse) budgets.

And no particle physicist (esp. the senior ones who are in every dept and went through that grim time) can forget how some of our &#039;comrades&#039; in  condensed matter not only didn&#039;t come to our aid during the fights over the SSC in the early 90&#039;s, but some *actively lobbied against it*.  they may, or may not, have been the proverbial straw that broke that camel -- but it left deep divisions that will take a lot to heal, not just time (perhaps something like the Obama/Clinton battles).  (and, of course, we would *know* the things the LHC should be finding out the next few years, if the SSC had been completed and running years ago).

I don&#039;t know Steve&#039;s positions on this (he&#039;s had to already deal some with it being the head of LBL, with its big HEP + astro subgroups), but i did feel like putting this out there because i haven&#039;t read anyone else say it, yet, in all the giddy euphoria.

I just want to &#039;keep one foot out&#039;, because i&#039;m not a part of the govt, i&#039;m a citizen scientist and i need to call it as i see it, not support anyone just because it all looks good initially with Nobels in the mix, or mellifluous words are involved or whatever.

- Now science is just one thing that matters (the most to us scientists, of course), andtThat last comment applies even more to some of Obama&#039;s other recent choices and picks -- several have bugged me, and the Warren thing i feel mixed about, not quite sure yet -- but the Ken Salazar appointment for Sect&#039;y of the Interior is just plain miserable, as far as i can thus far tell.  Raul Grijalva was way *way* better, but appears to have been lobbied hard against by mineral, oil,  gas etc. interests -- and for those of us who are enviros too, this one mattered a *lot*, and it does lead us to question how bought out already to e.g. extractive industries the Obama Admin is.

I&#039;m not giving up all &#039;faith and hope&#039; right now -- of course, there are many good picks, and at minimum, we will finally have a *REAL* govt, now, vs. basically the sham one we&#039;ve had for 8 crummy years.  but too many of us have been told to &#039;trust&#039; in someone&#039;s judgement too many times by someone who turns out to be a sellout or worse to do it again.

We will watch, and see what happens the first few months of the Obama Admin in all spheres, before coming to any firm conclusions.

Just some thoughts and feelings i&#039;ve been having...

-M</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dan-  ok, i agree with you &#8212; up to a point.  i&#8217;m pretty psyched about getting back to &#8216;normalcy&#8217; as commenter TS says above, and i&#8217;ve always liked how Barack speaks in high and reverent terms about science &#8212; he is clearly a man of the modern era.</p>
<p>A couple of things give me pause, though:</p>
<p>- For all the praise dumped on Steve Chu, i am wary, and i&#8217;ve wanted to say this for a while somewhere &#8212; i know him a bit (almost TA&#8217;d QM for him once) and know his demeanor is a bit chilly.  ok, no biggie, for politics, as long as he&#8217;s competent and non-idelogically driven, right?  but do remember he&#8217;s a condensed matter physicist, and he&#8217;s about to be in charge of the DOE, which is where all HEP and increasingly more astrophysics funding is coming out of (e.g. DES).  how sympathetic is he to these?  remember that we (in the HEP+astro community) have been suffering mightily the last few years under flat-flat (or worse) budgets.</p>
<p>And no particle physicist (esp. the senior ones who are in every dept and went through that grim time) can forget how some of our &#8216;comrades&#8217; in  condensed matter not only didn&#8217;t come to our aid during the fights over the SSC in the early 90&#8242;s, but some *actively lobbied against it*.  they may, or may not, have been the proverbial straw that broke that camel &#8212; but it left deep divisions that will take a lot to heal, not just time (perhaps something like the Obama/Clinton battles).  (and, of course, we would *know* the things the LHC should be finding out the next few years, if the SSC had been completed and running years ago).</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know Steve&#8217;s positions on this (he&#8217;s had to already deal some with it being the head of LBL, with its big HEP + astro subgroups), but i did feel like putting this out there because i haven&#8217;t read anyone else say it, yet, in all the giddy euphoria.</p>
<p>I just want to &#8216;keep one foot out&#8217;, because i&#8217;m not a part of the govt, i&#8217;m a citizen scientist and i need to call it as i see it, not support anyone just because it all looks good initially with Nobels in the mix, or mellifluous words are involved or whatever.</p>
<p>- Now science is just one thing that matters (the most to us scientists, of course), andtThat last comment applies even more to some of Obama&#8217;s other recent choices and picks &#8212; several have bugged me, and the Warren thing i feel mixed about, not quite sure yet &#8212; but the Ken Salazar appointment for Sect&#8217;y of the Interior is just plain miserable, as far as i can thus far tell.  Raul Grijalva was way *way* better, but appears to have been lobbied hard against by mineral, oil,  gas etc. interests &#8212; and for those of us who are enviros too, this one mattered a *lot*, and it does lead us to question how bought out already to e.g. extractive industries the Obama Admin is.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not giving up all &#8216;faith and hope&#8217; right now &#8212; of course, there are many good picks, and at minimum, we will finally have a *REAL* govt, now, vs. basically the sham one we&#8217;ve had for 8 crummy years.  but too many of us have been told to &#8216;trust&#8217; in someone&#8217;s judgement too many times by someone who turns out to be a sellout or worse to do it again.</p>
<p>We will watch, and see what happens the first few months of the Obama Admin in all spheres, before coming to any firm conclusions.</p>
<p>Just some thoughts and feelings i&#8217;ve been having&#8230;</p>
<p>-M</p>
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		<title>By: -4 in Peoria, IL &#171; blueollie</title>
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		<dc:creator>-4 in Peoria, IL &#171; blueollie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Dec 2008 14:58:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] and Obama: I am not the only one who thinks that Obama is delivering on his science related promises.  Many scientists have been actively supporting Obama. This support stems, in part, from a feeling [...] </description>
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		<title>By: novaterata</title>
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		<dc:creator>novaterata</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Dec 2008 13:52:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sounds like the nation needs a comedy advisory board as well. In fact it might be important enough to just replace the Education dept. with a Williams St. / Onion setup like Diocletian had back in the old days. If it worked for the 3rd century crisis than 8 years shouldn&#039;t be a big deal.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sounds like the nation needs a comedy advisory board as well. In fact it might be important enough to just replace the Education dept. with a Williams St. / Onion setup like Diocletian had back in the old days. If it worked for the 3rd century crisis than 8 years shouldn&#8217;t be a big deal.</p>
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