<?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?><rss version="2.0"
	xmlns:content="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/content/"
	xmlns:dc="http://purl.org/dc/elements/1.1/"
	xmlns:atom="http://www.w3.org/2005/Atom"
	xmlns:sy="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/syndication/"
		>
<channel>
	<title>Comments on: Mischievous or Moronic?</title>
	<atom:link href="http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2008/12/26/mischievous-or-moronic/feed/" rel="self" type="application/rss+xml" />
	<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2008/12/26/mischievous-or-moronic/</link>
	<description>Random samplings from a universe of ideas.</description>
	<lastBuildDate>Sun, 08 Nov 2009 21:31:31 -0600</lastBuildDate>
	<generator>http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.4</generator>
	<sy:updatePeriod>hourly</sy:updatePeriod>
	<sy:updateFrequency>1</sy:updateFrequency>
		<item>
		<title>By: agm</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2008/12/26/mischievous-or-moronic/comment-page-1/#comment-55721</link>
		<dc:creator>agm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Dec 2008 09:21:26 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2008/12/26/mischievous-or-moronic/#comment-55721</guid>
		<description>Hey Mark, thanks for linking to that. It was one of the more amusing presentations of the public perception of physics. I&#039;m sorry to see that some people here can&#039;t enjoy looking at something from such a different point of view, it was a nice lampooning.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Mark, thanks for linking to that. It was one of the more amusing presentations of the public perception of physics. I&#8217;m sorry to see that some people here can&#8217;t enjoy looking at something from such a different point of view, it was a nice lampooning.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Quantum Defender</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2008/12/26/mischievous-or-moronic/comment-page-1/#comment-55410</link>
		<dc:creator>Quantum Defender</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Dec 2008 03:33:11 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2008/12/26/mischievous-or-moronic/#comment-55410</guid>
		<description>Sorry, here is the best I can come up with...

I think the only recourse is to define charade

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/charade

The Cif article I linked has a good quote:

&quot;As organisation grows personality may tend to disappear. It is much to control one newspaper well; it is perhaps beyond the reach of any man, or any body of men, to control half a dozen with equal success. It is possible to exaggerate the danger, for the public is not undiscerning. It recognises the authentic voices of conscience and conviction when it finds them, and it has a shrewd intuition of what to accept and what to discount.&quot;

I think the quote from Ms. Hansen&#039;s article that was highlighted;

&quot;I wonder whether there weren’t better things physicists could have been doing over the last century. Just look where their work has got them. Niels Bohr, whose research led to quantum mechanics theories, went off to work on the Manhattan Project, and we all know where that got us. Thank you Oppenheimer, Bohr et al for the atom bomb.&quot;

Is purely satirical.

I think Ms Hansen achieved her goal of getting people fired up over nothing.  The charade is the assumption that the public &quot;has a shrewd intuition of what to accept and what to discount.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry, here is the best I can come up with&#8230;</p>
<p>I think the only recourse is to define charade</p>
<p><a href="http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/charade" rel="nofollow">http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/charade</a></p>
<p>The Cif article I linked has a good quote:</p>
<p>&#8220;As organisation grows personality may tend to disappear. It is much to control one newspaper well; it is perhaps beyond the reach of any man, or any body of men, to control half a dozen with equal success. It is possible to exaggerate the danger, for the public is not undiscerning. It recognises the authentic voices of conscience and conviction when it finds them, and it has a shrewd intuition of what to accept and what to discount.&#8221;</p>
<p>I think the quote from Ms. Hansen&#8217;s article that was highlighted;</p>
<p>&#8220;I wonder whether there weren’t better things physicists could have been doing over the last century. Just look where their work has got them. Niels Bohr, whose research led to quantum mechanics theories, went off to work on the Manhattan Project, and we all know where that got us. Thank you Oppenheimer, Bohr et al for the atom bomb.&#8221;</p>
<p>Is purely satirical.</p>
<p>I think Ms Hansen achieved her goal of getting people fired up over nothing.  The charade is the assumption that the public &#8220;has a shrewd intuition of what to accept and what to discount.&#8221;</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Mark</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2008/12/26/mischievous-or-moronic/comment-page-1/#comment-55401</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Dec 2008 02:35:03 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2008/12/26/mischievous-or-moronic/#comment-55401</guid>
		<description>I read that years ago. It didn&#039;t help me here though.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I read that years ago. It didn&#8217;t help me here though.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Quantum Defender</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2008/12/26/mischievous-or-moronic/comment-page-1/#comment-55383</link>
		<dc:creator>Quantum Defender</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Dec 2008 00:37:08 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2008/12/26/mischievous-or-moronic/#comment-55383</guid>
		<description>After reading Ms. Hansen&#039;s post, I think its a perfectly reasonable criticism that can be summed up as:

&quot;No matter where you go, there you are.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>After reading Ms. Hansen&#8217;s post, I think its a perfectly reasonable criticism that can be summed up as:</p>
<p>&#8220;No matter where you go, there you are.&#8221;</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Quantum Defender</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2008/12/26/mischievous-or-moronic/comment-page-1/#comment-55381</link>
		<dc:creator>Quantum Defender</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Dec 2008 00:23:39 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2008/12/26/mischievous-or-moronic/#comment-55381</guid>
		<description>Before I actually read the article, I did &quot;follow the links&quot; and found that the principles of Cif are outlined in this article.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2002/nov/29/1</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Before I actually read the article, I did &#8220;follow the links&#8221; and found that the principles of Cif are outlined in this article.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2002/nov/29/1" rel="nofollow">http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2002/nov/29/1</a></p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Eugene</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2008/12/26/mischievous-or-moronic/comment-page-1/#comment-55359</link>
		<dc:creator>Eugene</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Dec 2008 22:29:05 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2008/12/26/mischievous-or-moronic/#comment-55359</guid>
		<description>I agree Matt (Leifer, hi how are things!). I think she is trying to be funny and mischievous, but I think it ends up just being kinda moronic and not very funny, and not very clever.

Anti-science snobs will find it funny in the way people find comfort in reading a wikipedia article about something they are already know, while most lay persons will just read the article and go &quot;huh?&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree Matt (Leifer, hi how are things!). I think she is trying to be funny and mischievous, but I think it ends up just being kinda moronic and not very funny, and not very clever.</p>
<p>Anti-science snobs will find it funny in the way people find comfort in reading a wikipedia article about something they are already know, while most lay persons will just read the article and go &#8220;huh?&#8221;</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Stu Savory</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2008/12/26/mischievous-or-moronic/comment-page-1/#comment-55288</link>
		<dc:creator>Stu Savory</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Dec 2008 19:23:10 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2008/12/26/mischievous-or-moronic/#comment-55288</guid>
		<description>OK, here&#039;s another try (by me) :-

&quot;Obama will be the first US president with a negro father, and thus the first one 
with a Schwarzchild radius?&quot;

I too, don’t think she is trying to make any deep points at all. Just humour using buzzwords taken from quantum physics.  TANSTAAFLaugh.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OK, here&#8217;s another try (by me) :-</p>
<p>&#8220;Obama will be the first US president with a negro father, and thus the first one<br />
with a Schwarzchild radius?&#8221;</p>
<p>I too, don’t think she is trying to make any deep points at all. Just humour using buzzwords taken from quantum physics.  TANSTAAFLaugh.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Ian Preston</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2008/12/26/mischievous-or-moronic/comment-page-1/#comment-55222</link>
		<dc:creator>Ian Preston</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Dec 2008 14:18:42 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2008/12/26/mischievous-or-moronic/#comment-55222</guid>
		<description>Aren&#039;t we meant to read these pieces as like a Christmas party game where regular Cif contributors are assigned unconventional topics to write on for a bit of festive fun?  Cath Elliott on boy bands?  Rupa Huq on Bulgarian turbo-folk?  I can&#039;t believe we are meant to take any of this seriously.

It doesn&#039;t appear to me that Michele Hanson chose her subject and, to my ear, she&#039;s adopted a tone of self-deprecation towards her admitted ignorance while gently hinting that physicists might do a better job of explaining themselves.  I can&#039;t convince myself that there is any serious undertone of &quot;sour grapes&quot; here.  I don&#039;t think she is trying to make any deep points at all.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Aren&#8217;t we meant to read these pieces as like a Christmas party game where regular Cif contributors are assigned unconventional topics to write on for a bit of festive fun?  Cath Elliott on boy bands?  Rupa Huq on Bulgarian turbo-folk?  I can&#8217;t believe we are meant to take any of this seriously.</p>
<p>It doesn&#8217;t appear to me that Michele Hanson chose her subject and, to my ear, she&#8217;s adopted a tone of self-deprecation towards her admitted ignorance while gently hinting that physicists might do a better job of explaining themselves.  I can&#8217;t convince myself that there is any serious undertone of &#8220;sour grapes&#8221; here.  I don&#8217;t think she is trying to make any deep points at all.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Neal J. King</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2008/12/26/mischievous-or-moronic/comment-page-1/#comment-55175</link>
		<dc:creator>Neal J. King</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Dec 2008 10:30:50 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2008/12/26/mischievous-or-moronic/#comment-55175</guid>
		<description>The unfortunate application of this jejune attitude is not in the case of quantum mechanics (without which much of 21-st century technology would not have been developed) but in the case of atmospheric physics, aka anthropogenic global warming (AGW). 

In the case of of QM, nobody is going to stop funding the research or stop buying the products because of foolish, perhaps tongue-in-cheek, articles. We can&#039;t have the same level of confidence concerning the results of AGW studies, which will need a tablespoon of economical pain to implement.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The unfortunate application of this jejune attitude is not in the case of quantum mechanics (without which much of 21-st century technology would not have been developed) but in the case of atmospheric physics, aka anthropogenic global warming (AGW). </p>
<p>In the case of of QM, nobody is going to stop funding the research or stop buying the products because of foolish, perhaps tongue-in-cheek, articles. We can&#8217;t have the same level of confidence concerning the results of AGW studies, which will need a tablespoon of economical pain to implement.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Neuroskeptic</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2008/12/26/mischievous-or-moronic/comment-page-1/#comment-55166</link>
		<dc:creator>Neuroskeptic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Dec 2008 09:27:26 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2008/12/26/mischievous-or-moronic/#comment-55166</guid>
		<description>This is the problem with Comment is Free, they run so much nonsense, it&#039;s hard to know when they&#039;re joking...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is the problem with Comment is Free, they run so much nonsense, it&#8217;s hard to know when they&#8217;re joking&#8230;</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
</channel>
</rss>
