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	<title>Comments on: Richard Feynman on Boltzmann Brains</title>
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		<title>By: Moninder Singh Modgil</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2008/12/29/richard-feynman-on-boltzmann-brains/comment-page-2/#comment-104265</link>
		<dc:creator>Moninder Singh Modgil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Oct 2009 04:49:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There is a simple vacuum solution of Einstein&#039;s field equations, obtained from Minkowski universe by the replacement-

t -&gt; sin t

Geodesics in this universe (which I refer to as the &quot;Periodic Minkowski universe&quot;), are such that particles oscillate about a fixed position. This leads to recurrence via &quot;Loschmidt&#039;s velocity reversion&quot;, however without the time reversal, i.e., the time parameter continues to increase monotonically. See my paper - 

http://arxiv.org/abs/0907.3165
Title: Loschmidt&#039;s paradox, entropy and the topology of spacetime

If one does mixing of two gases experiment, in periodic Minkowski, one will see the gases initially mixing, and then deterministically seperating. And this happens not as a probablistical process, but due to the causal structure of the space time, as encoded in the line element of the periodic Minkowski universe. However, one can still consider probablistic process within this spacetime background - and vacuum fluctuations forming Boltzmann brains. The periodicity constraint would require that any Boltzmann brains created in such a universe, would eventually be destroyed.</description>
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<p>Geodesics in this universe (which I refer to as the &#8220;Periodic Minkowski universe&#8221;), are such that particles oscillate about a fixed position. This leads to recurrence via &#8220;Loschmidt&#8217;s velocity reversion&#8221;, however without the time reversal, i.e., the time parameter continues to increase monotonically. See my paper &#8211; </p>
<p><a href="http://arxiv.org/abs/0907.3165" rel="nofollow">http://arxiv.org/abs/0907.3165</a><br />
Title: Loschmidt&#8217;s paradox, entropy and the topology of spacetime</p>
<p>If one does mixing of two gases experiment, in periodic Minkowski, one will see the gases initially mixing, and then deterministically seperating. And this happens not as a probablistical process, but due to the causal structure of the space time, as encoded in the line element of the periodic Minkowski universe. However, one can still consider probablistic process within this spacetime background &#8211; and vacuum fluctuations forming Boltzmann brains. The periodicity constraint would require that any Boltzmann brains created in such a universe, would eventually be destroyed.</p>
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		<title>By: Carl Lumma</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2008/12/29/richard-feynman-on-boltzmann-brains/comment-page-2/#comment-100467</link>
		<dc:creator>Carl Lumma</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Oct 2009 09:39:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Boltzmann brain paradox assumes a fixed (and rather naive) prior: that all regions of spacetime are independent.  Bayesians would like us to consider the weighted probability over all priors.  That&#039;s the same as considering each observation to be the output of a Turing machine on a random input.  From such a computational perspective, if the probability of one brain is B, the probability of two brains BB is &lt; B^2, because it doesn&#039;t take as much additional information to describe the 2nd brain as it did the first.  For some priors, BB may even be &gt; B.  Indeed, most of the time, Earth will sustain either many human brains or none.  B can only obtain for ~ 100 years.

The probability of many brains may still be lower than the probability of none, so a low-entropy initial state is still needed.  The Big Bang seems to provide it in spades.

-Carl</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Boltzmann brain paradox assumes a fixed (and rather naive) prior: that all regions of spacetime are independent.  Bayesians would like us to consider the weighted probability over all priors.  That&#8217;s the same as considering each observation to be the output of a Turing machine on a random input.  From such a computational perspective, if the probability of one brain is B, the probability of two brains BB is < B^2, because it doesn't take as much additional information to describe the 2nd brain as it did the first.  For some priors, BB may even be > B.  Indeed, most of the time, Earth will sustain either many human brains or none.  B can only obtain for ~ 100 years.</p>
<p>The probability of many brains may still be lower than the probability of none, so a low-entropy initial state is still needed.  The Big Bang seems to provide it in spades.</p>
<p>-Carl</p>
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		<title>By: Fritz Lorenz Doerring</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2008/12/29/richard-feynman-on-boltzmann-brains/comment-page-2/#comment-99838</link>
		<dc:creator>Fritz Lorenz Doerring</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Sep 2009 23:43:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Decay is obvious and visible, and experiential. Multiverse is not in our present sphere of experience. Might it ever become so? Wait: Be patient!
It may be a long time. Fritz</description>
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It may be a long time. Fritz</p>
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		<title>By: Leonardo</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2008/12/29/richard-feynman-on-boltzmann-brains/comment-page-2/#comment-73211</link>
		<dc:creator>Leonardo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Apr 2009 00:14:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The low degree of entropy is not a consequence of the Boltzmann hypothesis (we are in a low entropy region), but a consequence of the nature of entropy itself. Entropy also generates order. Out of entropy new orders emerge. If I take a perfectly ordered and homogeneous quantity of milk, and mix it with a perfectly non-entropic coffee, both elements loose order, their molecules become entropic and chaotic, homogeneity is lost. But from there emerges a perfectly ordered Cappuccino. Things are not as simplistic as &quot;everything flows from order to entropy&quot;. Chaos creates new orders; what looks entropic at one scale, may have a higher-level entity-like coherence. Leave a dead rat on the forest long enough, and the entropy will act on it, in such a way that its molecules will be reabsorbed by nature and reordered. 
I hereby decree that this theory be called &quot;the Lospennato hypothesis&quot;. 
Just Kidding. 
But not really. 
Regards to all!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The low degree of entropy is not a consequence of the Boltzmann hypothesis (we are in a low entropy region), but a consequence of the nature of entropy itself. Entropy also generates order. Out of entropy new orders emerge. If I take a perfectly ordered and homogeneous quantity of milk, and mix it with a perfectly non-entropic coffee, both elements loose order, their molecules become entropic and chaotic, homogeneity is lost. But from there emerges a perfectly ordered Cappuccino. Things are not as simplistic as &#8220;everything flows from order to entropy&#8221;. Chaos creates new orders; what looks entropic at one scale, may have a higher-level entity-like coherence. Leave a dead rat on the forest long enough, and the entropy will act on it, in such a way that its molecules will be reabsorbed by nature and reordered.<br />
I hereby decree that this theory be called &#8220;the Lospennato hypothesis&#8221;.<br />
Just Kidding.<br />
But not really.<br />
Regards to all!</p>
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		<title>By: Sean Peters</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sean Peters</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Mar 2009 18:19:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;You can get a universe like ours that way, but you’re overwhelmingly more likely to get just a single galaxy, or a single planet, or even just a single brain — so the statistical-fluctuation idea seems to be ruled out by experiment. (With potentially profound consequences.)&lt;/blockquote&gt;

This argument seems incredibly weak to me. Think of it this way: I roll a 10 sided die a hundred times and write down the string of resulting digits. You examine the string of digits and exclaim: &quot;do you know how unlikely it is that you got that exact string? This can&#039;t be a statistical fluctuation&quot;. You can&#039;t look at a situation after the fact and say it couldn&#039;t have happened at random because it&#039;s very unlikely.

The other argument I&#039;ve heard here - that statistical fluctuations would mean that you couldn&#039;t trust memories of the past - seems more powerful, but still strangely unsatisfying. Apparently the reason that can&#039;t be true is that it would be unpleasant to believe that the universe faked all the evidence of our past. Which is a sentiment that I agree with, but it doesn&#039;t say much about whether the universe actually DID fake all the evidence of our past. I guess I&#039;m willing to write that possibility off on practical grounds - there would be no point in doing science at all if  it were true - but it&#039;s still sort of disturbing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>You can get a universe like ours that way, but you’re overwhelmingly more likely to get just a single galaxy, or a single planet, or even just a single brain — so the statistical-fluctuation idea seems to be ruled out by experiment. (With potentially profound consequences.)</p></blockquote>
<p>This argument seems incredibly weak to me. Think of it this way: I roll a 10 sided die a hundred times and write down the string of resulting digits. You examine the string of digits and exclaim: &#8220;do you know how unlikely it is that you got that exact string? This can&#8217;t be a statistical fluctuation&#8221;. You can&#8217;t look at a situation after the fact and say it couldn&#8217;t have happened at random because it&#8217;s very unlikely.</p>
<p>The other argument I&#8217;ve heard here &#8211; that statistical fluctuations would mean that you couldn&#8217;t trust memories of the past &#8211; seems more powerful, but still strangely unsatisfying. Apparently the reason that can&#8217;t be true is that it would be unpleasant to believe that the universe faked all the evidence of our past. Which is a sentiment that I agree with, but it doesn&#8217;t say much about whether the universe actually DID fake all the evidence of our past. I guess I&#8217;m willing to write that possibility off on practical grounds &#8211; there would be no point in doing science at all if  it were true &#8211; but it&#8217;s still sort of disturbing.</p>
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		<dc:creator>what age did you stop beleaving in the religion you where raised with? - Page 2</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Feb 2009 14:24:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Life is a state of disequilibrium. Everything clicked and I lost my soul. Thanks, Dr. Scotty!    Richard Feynman on Boltzmann Brains &#124; Cosmic Variance &#124; Discover Magazine  I &lt;3 [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Life is a state of disequilibrium. Everything clicked and I lost my soul. Thanks, Dr. Scotty!    Richard Feynman on Boltzmann Brains | Cosmic Variance | Discover Magazine  I &lt;3 [...]</p>
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		<dc:creator>what age did you stop beleaving in the religion you where raised with? - Page 2</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Feb 2009 14:10:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Originally Posted by Sparrow   I can pinpoint the exact moment I lost my religion. Our very own Scotticus hit me up with a fact: Life is a state of disequilibrium. Everything clicked and I lost my soul. Thanks, Dr. Scotty!    Richard Feynman on Boltzmann Brains &#124; Cosmic Variance &#124; Discover Magazine [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Originally Posted by Sparrow   I can pinpoint the exact moment I lost my religion. Our very own Scotticus hit me up with a fact: Life is a state of disequilibrium. Everything clicked and I lost my soul. Thanks, Dr. Scotty!    Richard Feynman on Boltzmann Brains | Cosmic Variance | Discover Magazine [...]</p>
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		<title>By: tomate :: Gravitation and thermodynamics :: January :: 2009</title>
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		<dc:creator>tomate :: Gravitation and thermodynamics :: January :: 2009</dc:creator>
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		<description>[...] some discussion over the web (here, here, here and here) about thermodynamics and gravitation, a discussion that comes out regularly. I [...]</description>
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		<dc:creator>tomate :: Gravitation and thermodynamics :: January :: 2008</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Jan 2009 23:30:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] some discussion over the web (here, here, here and here) about thermodynamics and gravitation, a discussion that comes out pretty regularly. [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Low Math, Meekly Interacting</title>
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		<dc:creator>Low Math, Meekly Interacting</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Jan 2009 17:50:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Greg, thank you very much for your clear reply to my question, it was very helpful.  I hadn&#039;t considered the possibility that one could use the paradox, perhaps by itself, to argue the universe must inevitably decay relatively soon to suppress BB&#039;s.  Wonder how one tests that empirically.  I must confess I&#039;m still very uneasy with the argument that the utility of statistical mechanics in our horizon provides adequate justification to extrapolate that approach to the megaverse.  The whole thing makes me wonder yet again whether or not one should avoid the megaverse like the plague, even if it&#039;s the right answer, because of all the necessary, but potentially untestable, assumptions.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Greg, thank you very much for your clear reply to my question, it was very helpful.  I hadn&#8217;t considered the possibility that one could use the paradox, perhaps by itself, to argue the universe must inevitably decay relatively soon to suppress BB&#8217;s.  Wonder how one tests that empirically.  I must confess I&#8217;m still very uneasy with the argument that the utility of statistical mechanics in our horizon provides adequate justification to extrapolate that approach to the megaverse.  The whole thing makes me wonder yet again whether or not one should avoid the megaverse like the plague, even if it&#8217;s the right answer, because of all the necessary, but potentially untestable, assumptions.</p>
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