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	<title>Comments on: Science &amp; democracy</title>
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		<title>By: The Dark Side in Aspen &#124; Cosmic Variance &#124; Discover Magazine</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2009/01/28/science-democracy/comment-page-1/#comment-63080</link>
		<dc:creator>The Dark Side in Aspen &#124; Cosmic Variance &#124; Discover Magazine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Feb 2009 12:21:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Daniel has already mentioned, I recently spent a week in Aspen, at a workshop on Understanding the Dark Sector: Dark Matter and [...]</description>
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		<title>By: efsha</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2009/01/28/science-democracy/comment-page-1/#comment-61955</link>
		<dc:creator>efsha</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Jan 2009 07:18:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Democracy and science have direct relationship to each other. Old world democracy for example in the ancient Greece was not a real democracy because they  practice slavery. Democracy rules are  the results  of scientific studies  of human societies.
I believe that the democracy has two bases: wisdom and Justice. wisdom is the source of science and truth; it&#039;s mission is to pursue truth and benefit current and  future human societies&#039; . Also wisdom explains what is justice ; the minimum of justice is Human Rights. Voting is for problems which does not have a scientific solution otherwise democracy should follow scientific rules about human and society and every things. Democracy requares that science should not be used against any human or human society. Opposite to democracy is terrorism. Terrorist is a body or organization or a government who denies democracy and its rules.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Democracy and science have direct relationship to each other. Old world democracy for example in the ancient Greece was not a real democracy because they  practice slavery. Democracy rules are  the results  of scientific studies  of human societies.<br />
I believe that the democracy has two bases: wisdom and Justice. wisdom is the source of science and truth; it&#8217;s mission is to pursue truth and benefit current and  future human societies&#8217; . Also wisdom explains what is justice ; the minimum of justice is Human Rights. Voting is for problems which does not have a scientific solution otherwise democracy should follow scientific rules about human and society and every things. Democracy requares that science should not be used against any human or human society. Opposite to democracy is terrorism. Terrorist is a body or organization or a government who denies democracy and its rules.</p>
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		<title>By: Ben</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2009/01/28/science-democracy/comment-page-1/#comment-61898</link>
		<dc:creator>Ben</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Jan 2009 01:09:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Beautiful piece by Overbye.  But the sentences &quot;If we are not practicing good science, we probably aren’t practicing good democracy. And vice versa.&quot; imply an if and only if relationship that I don&#039;t think is valid.

The values that make for good science--honesty, openness, respect for evidence, etc.--are also necessary for good democracy.  But there are other values, such as compassion, that are not needed for science but without which democracy would fail.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Beautiful piece by Overbye.  But the sentences &#8220;If we are not practicing good science, we probably aren’t practicing good democracy. And vice versa.&#8221; imply an if and only if relationship that I don&#8217;t think is valid.</p>
<p>The values that make for good science&#8211;honesty, openness, respect for evidence, etc.&#8211;are also necessary for good democracy.  But there are other values, such as compassion, that are not needed for science but without which democracy would fail.</p>
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		<title>By: Low Math, Meekly Interacting</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2009/01/28/science-democracy/comment-page-1/#comment-61840</link>
		<dc:creator>Low Math, Meekly Interacting</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Jan 2009 17:41:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>On the individual level, some subset of those values (&quot;honesty, doubt, respect for evidence, openness, accountability and tolerance and indeed hunger for opposing points of view&quot;) are demonstrably absent from many individuals who, in spite of these shortcomings (or, perhaps because they&#039;re incorrigible bullies, because of them), have very successful science careers.  I think it&#039;s because nature is such a tyrant that those values are emergent properties of the process, that the community of scientists can claim as a unit.  In other words, the integrity of science is seemingly greater than the sum of its parts, because the process, as competitive, and even combative, as it can be, makes nature the cruelest of final arbiters, eventually annihilating anything less than accurate.  She cannot be fooled, as Feynman said.  People all to often can, which is why I think science is nothing without experimental verification.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>On the individual level, some subset of those values (&#8220;honesty, doubt, respect for evidence, openness, accountability and tolerance and indeed hunger for opposing points of view&#8221;) are demonstrably absent from many individuals who, in spite of these shortcomings (or, perhaps because they&#8217;re incorrigible bullies, because of them), have very successful science careers.  I think it&#8217;s because nature is such a tyrant that those values are emergent properties of the process, that the community of scientists can claim as a unit.  In other words, the integrity of science is seemingly greater than the sum of its parts, because the process, as competitive, and even combative, as it can be, makes nature the cruelest of final arbiters, eventually annihilating anything less than accurate.  She cannot be fooled, as Feynman said.  People all to often can, which is why I think science is nothing without experimental verification.</p>
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		<title>By: Dr William Dyer</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2009/01/28/science-democracy/comment-page-1/#comment-61822</link>
		<dc:creator>Dr William Dyer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Jan 2009 16:00:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I fall along the lines of Sean wherein there can be a democratization in the approach to understand the Reality we happen to find ourselves in, but in the end Reality always has a veto on things.  

Still that thinking anthropomorphizes Reality as if it were something akin to a judge presiding and listening to our arguments on how Reality should work.  Maybe that is a core of the what is off about the article.  Dennis Overbye and people in general tend to project or have a something akin to tunnel vision where in the universe around us gets treated as if it is human or having human characteristics.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I fall along the lines of Sean wherein there can be a democratization in the approach to understand the Reality we happen to find ourselves in, but in the end Reality always has a veto on things.  </p>
<p>Still that thinking anthropomorphizes Reality as if it were something akin to a judge presiding and listening to our arguments on how Reality should work.  Maybe that is a core of the what is off about the article.  Dennis Overbye and people in general tend to project or have a something akin to tunnel vision where in the universe around us gets treated as if it is human or having human characteristics.</p>
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		<title>By: Kent G. Budge</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2009/01/28/science-democracy/comment-page-1/#comment-61820</link>
		<dc:creator>Kent G. Budge</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Jan 2009 15:37:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And yet ... if I step off a high bridge, no social construct is going to prevent me from becoming a damp spot on the pavement.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And yet &#8230; if I step off a high bridge, no social construct is going to prevent me from becoming a damp spot on the pavement.</p>
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		<title>By: brian</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2009/01/28/science-democracy/comment-page-1/#comment-61794</link>
		<dc:creator>brian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Jan 2009 11:23:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Who says we don&#039;t sit around voting whether global warming is true?

Of course we do.  There are very few proven &#039;truths&#039; in Science: almost everything which you believe is true is, in fact:

1. a hypothesis 
2. which has up until now been supported by the majority of the available evidence 
3. that has been uncovered and examined so far by the right people
4. in the context of that particular question
5. as subject to interpretation by the scientific community at large as to its meaning and relevance to the same.
6. and remaining subject to change and reinterpretation at any time by this community

Does &quot;The Structure of Scientific Revolutions, Thomas Kuhn, 1962&quot; ring any bells?

I realize this isn&#039;t always easy to see from the inside, but Science also is &quot;Socially Constructed&quot; (Berger and Luckmann) just like everything else we humans hold to be true.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Who says we don&#8217;t sit around voting whether global warming is true?</p>
<p>Of course we do.  There are very few proven &#8216;truths&#8217; in Science: almost everything which you believe is true is, in fact:</p>
<p>1. a hypothesis<br />
2. which has up until now been supported by the majority of the available evidence<br />
3. that has been uncovered and examined so far by the right people<br />
4. in the context of that particular question<br />
5. as subject to interpretation by the scientific community at large as to its meaning and relevance to the same.<br />
6. and remaining subject to change and reinterpretation at any time by this community</p>
<p>Does &#8220;The Structure of Scientific Revolutions, Thomas Kuhn, 1962&#8243; ring any bells?</p>
<p>I realize this isn&#8217;t always easy to see from the inside, but Science also is &#8220;Socially Constructed&#8221; (Berger and Luckmann) just like everything else we humans hold to be true.</p>
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		<title>By: eddie</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2009/01/28/science-democracy/comment-page-1/#comment-61760</link>
		<dc:creator>eddie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Jan 2009 06:28:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just watched Lee Smolin&#039;s video &quot;Science is like democracy&quot; which has an interesting take.
In it he compares the aristotelian worldview of absolute authority, in a time of absolute rulers. This followed by the revolutions of Newton&#039;s laws and Payne&#039;s and others&#039; rights. Then finally describing our present society of interacting societal forces and parallelling it with modern physical theory.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just watched Lee Smolin&#8217;s video &#8220;Science is like democracy&#8221; which has an interesting take.<br />
In it he compares the aristotelian worldview of absolute authority, in a time of absolute rulers. This followed by the revolutions of Newton&#8217;s laws and Payne&#8217;s and others&#8217; rights. Then finally describing our present society of interacting societal forces and parallelling it with modern physical theory.</p>
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		<title>By: Kaleberg</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2009/01/28/science-democracy/comment-page-1/#comment-61727</link>
		<dc:creator>Kaleberg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Jan 2009 01:52:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jean Francois Revel was always a big fan of the United States and our scientific attitude. Our society has been willing to experiment and to go with things that work rather than relying on ideology. He discussed this quite nicely in his book Without Marx, Without Jesus. (Amusingly, my second hand copy has the previous owner complaining that the book contains nothing about Marx or Jesus.) 

The example that one often sees is that of quinine, which the Jesuits had tried to encourage as a treatment for malaria, having learned of it in Peru. As we know, quinine can treat certain kinds of malaria. Unfortunately, the 17th century savants in Paris argued that quinine could not be effective as it did not influence any of the humors which were the theoretical causes of disease. Quinine was barred from use as a treatment, though a number of quacks did provide it at risk of prosecution.

The American attitude was that quinine should be tested to see if it actually does or does not cure malaria, and any judgments about its use based on reality, not ideology. Some call that pragmatism. Some call it the scientific method. America, at one point, was noted for ignoring ideology and trying things, and using what worked and discarding the rest. We haven&#039;t been doing that lately, but there is not reason we cannot give reality a chance once again.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jean Francois Revel was always a big fan of the United States and our scientific attitude. Our society has been willing to experiment and to go with things that work rather than relying on ideology. He discussed this quite nicely in his book Without Marx, Without Jesus. (Amusingly, my second hand copy has the previous owner complaining that the book contains nothing about Marx or Jesus.) </p>
<p>The example that one often sees is that of quinine, which the Jesuits had tried to encourage as a treatment for malaria, having learned of it in Peru. As we know, quinine can treat certain kinds of malaria. Unfortunately, the 17th century savants in Paris argued that quinine could not be effective as it did not influence any of the humors which were the theoretical causes of disease. Quinine was barred from use as a treatment, though a number of quacks did provide it at risk of prosecution.</p>
<p>The American attitude was that quinine should be tested to see if it actually does or does not cure malaria, and any judgments about its use based on reality, not ideology. Some call that pragmatism. Some call it the scientific method. America, at one point, was noted for ignoring ideology and trying things, and using what worked and discarding the rest. We haven&#8217;t been doing that lately, but there is not reason we cannot give reality a chance once again.</p>
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		<title>By: 28 January 2009 Part II &#171; blueollie</title>
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		<dc:creator>28 January 2009 Part II &#171; blueollie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Jan 2009 01:44:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Cosmic Variance has yet another fine entry: Dennis Overbye has a nice opinion piece in the NYTimes [...] [...]</description>
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		<title>By: tyler</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2009/01/28/science-democracy/comment-page-1/#comment-61685</link>
		<dc:creator>tyler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Jan 2009 21:11:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>CaveMan, there are many kinds of knowledge, most of which are not particularly scientific. This doesn&#039;t make my knowledge of (for instance) the nuances of Coltrane&#039;s early- to mid-60&#039;s work any less valid, but it&#039;s not scientific. It&#039;s a combination of factual data (&quot;1961&#039;s Village Vanguard recording is more abstract and &quot;avant-garde&quot; than the music released in the years immediately following&quot;) and informed opinion (&quot;A Love Supreme is the best album ever&quot;).  It&#039;s still knowledge by any reasonable definition of the term.

I also know a lot about the way women think and feel, which is very useful knowledge indeed - in fact I would say it&#039;s the most useful knowledge I have acquired in this life, with all due respect to Trane, and differential equations - and I can assure you there is nothing scientific whatsoever about that subject. To any female readers, let me assure you that this is intended as a compliment, since it implies your nature cannot be reduced to formulae or subjected to experiment. 

I should note also that in my opinion this observation is what elevates science to its position of importance. There are many modes of knowing, but science is unique among them in its rigor. Rigorous demands of experimental proof and reproducability, and unforgiving attempts at falsification, are poor approaches to jazz - or to women for that matter - but they are what makes science work.

Daniel, a very nice post, thank you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>CaveMan, there are many kinds of knowledge, most of which are not particularly scientific. This doesn&#8217;t make my knowledge of (for instance) the nuances of Coltrane&#8217;s early- to mid-60&#8242;s work any less valid, but it&#8217;s not scientific. It&#8217;s a combination of factual data (&#8220;1961&#8242;s Village Vanguard recording is more abstract and &#8220;avant-garde&#8221; than the music released in the years immediately following&#8221;) and informed opinion (&#8220;A Love Supreme is the best album ever&#8221;).  It&#8217;s still knowledge by any reasonable definition of the term.</p>
<p>I also know a lot about the way women think and feel, which is very useful knowledge indeed &#8211; in fact I would say it&#8217;s the most useful knowledge I have acquired in this life, with all due respect to Trane, and differential equations &#8211; and I can assure you there is nothing scientific whatsoever about that subject. To any female readers, let me assure you that this is intended as a compliment, since it implies your nature cannot be reduced to formulae or subjected to experiment. </p>
<p>I should note also that in my opinion this observation is what elevates science to its position of importance. There are many modes of knowing, but science is unique among them in its rigor. Rigorous demands of experimental proof and reproducability, and unforgiving attempts at falsification, are poor approaches to jazz &#8211; or to women for that matter &#8211; but they are what makes science work.</p>
<p>Daniel, a very nice post, thank you.</p>
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		<title>By: Tod Lauer</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2009/01/28/science-democracy/comment-page-1/#comment-61655</link>
		<dc:creator>Tod Lauer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Jan 2009 18:02:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>An interesting counterpoint to the quality of Soviet science is the &quot;Lysenko Affair,&quot; which is a profound lesson about what happens when political ideology attempts to control scientific research.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>An interesting counterpoint to the quality of Soviet science is the &#8220;Lysenko Affair,&#8221; which is a profound lesson about what happens when political ideology attempts to control scientific research.</p>
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		<title>By: mandeep gill</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2009/01/28/science-democracy/comment-page-1/#comment-61635</link>
		<dc:creator>mandeep gill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Jan 2009 15:25:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dan-  great post, and this is definitely an excellent column by Overbye -- it makes me wonder how much Sagan he&#039;s read, because Carl says quite eloquently *very* much the same thing in the very first chapter of The Demon-Haunted World, one of my very favorite  exploration of the wonder, mystery, and beauty of science-type books, published near the end of his life.  Wonder if you&#039;ve had a chance to read it..?

(You can actually read a fair bit of it online in e.g. the Amazon reader, but i do highly recommend buying a copy if you don&#039;t have one already..)

For Science, AND Democracy -- hand in hand --
M</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dan-  great post, and this is definitely an excellent column by Overbye &#8212; it makes me wonder how much Sagan he&#8217;s read, because Carl says quite eloquently *very* much the same thing in the very first chapter of The Demon-Haunted World, one of my very favorite  exploration of the wonder, mystery, and beauty of science-type books, published near the end of his life.  Wonder if you&#8217;ve had a chance to read it..?</p>
<p>(You can actually read a fair bit of it online in e.g. the Amazon reader, but i do highly recommend buying a copy if you don&#8217;t have one already..)</p>
<p>For Science, AND Democracy &#8212; hand in hand &#8211;<br />
M</p>
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		<title>By: Patrick Dennis</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2009/01/28/science-democracy/comment-page-1/#comment-61634</link>
		<dc:creator>Patrick Dennis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Jan 2009 15:24:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The same case was made eloquently by Jacob Bronowski in the 1950&#039;s  in &quot;Science and Human Values,&quot; and later in the 70&#039;s in the TV series &quot;The Ascent of Man.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The same case was made eloquently by Jacob Bronowski in the 1950&#8242;s  in &#8220;Science and Human Values,&#8221; and later in the 70&#8242;s in the TV series &#8220;The Ascent of Man.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: PeterS</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2009/01/28/science-democracy/comment-page-1/#comment-61633</link>
		<dc:creator>PeterS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Jan 2009 14:44:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, that article has good insights and I am glad you picked up on it. But labeling nature as a despot is an anthropomorphic confusion. The terms &#039;dictator&#039; or &#039;despot&#039; refer to the behaviour of people.

That Soviet Russia generated good science is a testament rather to the indomitable spirit and intelligence of Soviet scientists that could prevail despite the circumstances.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, that article has good insights and I am glad you picked up on it. But labeling nature as a despot is an anthropomorphic confusion. The terms &#8216;dictator&#8217; or &#8216;despot&#8217; refer to the behaviour of people.</p>
<p>That Soviet Russia generated good science is a testament rather to the indomitable spirit and intelligence of Soviet scientists that could prevail despite the circumstances.</p>
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		<title>By: doubleplus different</title>
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		<dc:creator>doubleplus different</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Jan 2009 14:39:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nature calls most of the shots in politics too.

Scarcity and Technology are both Nature&#039;s beat.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nature calls most of the shots in politics too.</p>
<p>Scarcity and Technology are both Nature&#8217;s beat.</p>
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		<title>By: Dan Mitchell</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dan Mitchell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Jan 2009 14:30:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>While the description as applied to &quot;science&quot; is wonderful, it would be good to recognize that this description of &quot;something that people do to look for truth&quot; applies to all academic disciplines. The model is certainly found among the sciences, but it is equally there in the humanities/arts.

Dan</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While the description as applied to &#8220;science&#8221; is wonderful, it would be good to recognize that this description of &#8220;something that people do to look for truth&#8221; applies to all academic disciplines. The model is certainly found among the sciences, but it is equally there in the humanities/arts.</p>
<p>Dan</p>
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		<title>By: Peter Coles</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2009/01/28/science-democracy/comment-page-1/#comment-61624</link>
		<dc:creator>Peter Coles</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Jan 2009 13:51:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Soviet Russia certainly wasn&#039;t a democracy but it generated a large amount of good (or even great) science, especially physics. I think the point is that science isn&#039;t done by &quot;society&quot; but by small numbers of people working within the constraints that society imposes on them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Soviet Russia certainly wasn&#8217;t a democracy but it generated a large amount of good (or even great) science, especially physics. I think the point is that science isn&#8217;t done by &#8220;society&#8221; but by small numbers of people working within the constraints that society imposes on them.</p>
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		<title>By: MikeS</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2009/01/28/science-democracy/comment-page-1/#comment-61618</link>
		<dc:creator>MikeS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Jan 2009 12:33:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think science would be more analogous to a Republic than a Democracy.  It&#039;s not majority rule; we don&#039;t sit around and vote on whether global warming is happening.  Rather, there are certain rules we must follow whether we like it or not.  And our right to explore the laws of nature is, for convenience&#039;s sake, placed in trust with certain leaders.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think science would be more analogous to a Republic than a Democracy.  It&#8217;s not majority rule; we don&#8217;t sit around and vote on whether global warming is happening.  Rather, there are certain rules we must follow whether we like it or not.  And our right to explore the laws of nature is, for convenience&#8217;s sake, placed in trust with certain leaders.</p>
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		<title>By: CaveMan</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2009/01/28/science-democracy/comment-page-1/#comment-61616</link>
		<dc:creator>CaveMan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Jan 2009 12:15:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Science is simply another word for knowledge, so Overbye is indirectly saying that you need knowledge to have an effective democracy.

I was happy to read Overbye suggest that science doesn&#039;t tell you what values you need, rather it requires a person to adapt certain values in order to properly use science.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Science is simply another word for knowledge, so Overbye is indirectly saying that you need knowledge to have an effective democracy.</p>
<p>I was happy to read Overbye suggest that science doesn&#8217;t tell you what values you need, rather it requires a person to adapt certain values in order to properly use science.</p>
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