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		<title>By: Rosie</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2009/01/28/why-not-lucy/comment-page-1/#comment-63056</link>
		<dc:creator>Rosie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Feb 2009 05:03:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I saw Lucy when I was in Ethiopia back in 2001 and I didn&#039;t know I was about to see her until I accidentally walked into the exhibit.  It seems that she isn&#039;t advertised much anywhere!  

It was interesting, but I don&#039;t think I&#039;d pay that much.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I saw Lucy when I was in Ethiopia back in 2001 and I didn&#8217;t know I was about to see her until I accidentally walked into the exhibit.  It seems that she isn&#8217;t advertised much anywhere!  </p>
<p>It was interesting, but I don&#8217;t think I&#8217;d pay that much.</p>
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		<title>By: Winter Solstice Man</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2009/01/28/why-not-lucy/comment-page-1/#comment-62287</link>
		<dc:creator>Winter Solstice Man</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Feb 2009 17:08:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Smithsonian is &quot;free&quot; only because you pay for it with your tax dollars.

The rest of them have to grub for funds.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Smithsonian is &#8220;free&#8221; only because you pay for it with your tax dollars.</p>
<p>The rest of them have to grub for funds.</p>
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		<title>By: Bob</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2009/01/28/why-not-lucy/comment-page-1/#comment-62006</link>
		<dc:creator>Bob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Jan 2009 15:52:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When you think about the prices for museums these days, it is absolutely amazing that the best museum that we have in this country, the Smithsonian, is free.  All it takes is a trip to DC.  Go through the obligatory metal detector, and spend the rest of your life there.  Absolutely amazing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When you think about the prices for museums these days, it is absolutely amazing that the best museum that we have in this country, the Smithsonian, is free.  All it takes is a trip to DC.  Go through the obligatory metal detector, and spend the rest of your life there.  Absolutely amazing.</p>
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		<title>By: harshpotatoes</title>
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		<dc:creator>harshpotatoes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Jan 2009 02:12:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>wow... i think poor advertising is a big one here... I&#039;m living in seattle, attending the UW, and yet this is the first i&#039;ve heard about lucy coming to seattle.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>wow&#8230; i think poor advertising is a big one here&#8230; I&#8217;m living in seattle, attending the UW, and yet this is the first i&#8217;ve heard about lucy coming to seattle.</p>
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		<title>By: Winter Solstice Man</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2009/01/28/why-not-lucy/comment-page-1/#comment-61814</link>
		<dc:creator>Winter Solstice Man</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Jan 2009 14:45:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lucy was a big deal in the early 1970s, but who is going to remember that now?

That is a lot of money just to stare at an incomplete skeleton.  I hate even talking so ignorantly, but this is what a lot of people are going to be thinking, especially those with children and even those living in &quot;enlightened&quot; Seattle.

I hope people can look to the future and not let this economy ruin it because we are all too focused on it right now.  It will pass like every other economic crisis in our past.  I would like to hope that it will never happen again, but we have whole new generations of greedy bankers and business types just waiting to make that fast buck and to heck with everyone else and the future.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lucy was a big deal in the early 1970s, but who is going to remember that now?</p>
<p>That is a lot of money just to stare at an incomplete skeleton.  I hate even talking so ignorantly, but this is what a lot of people are going to be thinking, especially those with children and even those living in &#8220;enlightened&#8221; Seattle.</p>
<p>I hope people can look to the future and not let this economy ruin it because we are all too focused on it right now.  It will pass like every other economic crisis in our past.  I would like to hope that it will never happen again, but we have whole new generations of greedy bankers and business types just waiting to make that fast buck and to heck with everyone else and the future.</p>
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		<title>By: Lipa</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lipa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Jan 2009 14:36:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Looking at the PSC website, I see no discounts for school groups. Did I miss something, or is this now a world-wide trend? I find it very sad when so many exhibits are for the wealthy only. 

When I lived in San Francisco and thought about taking visitors to the Monterey Bay Aquarium, one of the world&#039;s most wonderful aquariums, I would inwardly wince, mentally calculating the cost of driving, parking, paying $30 per person to get in, a meal,...   When I thought about a field trip there for my inner city students, I realized 
the costs were simply prohibitive. What does it say about the values of a society when only the well-off can afford art, music, and science events?


When we first moved to Prague, the Czech Republic, I was excited to discover that museums 
and science exhibits here have traditionally had extremely low fees  for school trips. Children and students of all ages could be seen on the trams or Metro on such outings. Now we are just starting to see &quot;blockbuster&quot; popular exhibits, apparently aimed mostly at tourists, charging very high admission fees and giving no discounts to school groups.

 On the issue of behavior: Here in Europe, one can often spot American children by how loud, whiny, and disobedient they are, and how their parents seem to feel this is &quot;normal.&quot; Czech children appear quiet and content for the most part. Very young children get a lot of gentle attention from both their parents and their siblings on outings. I see very few Czech parents having to discipline their youngsters. 

Dogs are popular here and go everywhere. They also are quiet and well-behaved, with few exceptions. Breeds that in the U.S. seem to bark incessantly are quiet here, even when they meet other dogs in the park. I find this astonishing.

I attribute the differences to expectations, to the adult modeling of quiet, considerate
behavior, and to the slower pace of life which allows everyone more time to actually enjoy each other. There are also numerous parks, frequented regardless of even the coldest weather.

I would love to see some of this quality of life return to America, and Czechs to realize what they have and hang on to it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Looking at the PSC website, I see no discounts for school groups. Did I miss something, or is this now a world-wide trend? I find it very sad when so many exhibits are for the wealthy only. </p>
<p>When I lived in San Francisco and thought about taking visitors to the Monterey Bay Aquarium, one of the world&#8217;s most wonderful aquariums, I would inwardly wince, mentally calculating the cost of driving, parking, paying $30 per person to get in, a meal,&#8230;   When I thought about a field trip there for my inner city students, I realized<br />
the costs were simply prohibitive. What does it say about the values of a society when only the well-off can afford art, music, and science events?</p>
<p>When we first moved to Prague, the Czech Republic, I was excited to discover that museums<br />
and science exhibits here have traditionally had extremely low fees  for school trips. Children and students of all ages could be seen on the trams or Metro on such outings. Now we are just starting to see &#8220;blockbuster&#8221; popular exhibits, apparently aimed mostly at tourists, charging very high admission fees and giving no discounts to school groups.</p>
<p> On the issue of behavior: Here in Europe, one can often spot American children by how loud, whiny, and disobedient they are, and how their parents seem to feel this is &#8220;normal.&#8221; Czech children appear quiet and content for the most part. Very young children get a lot of gentle attention from both their parents and their siblings on outings. I see very few Czech parents having to discipline their youngsters. </p>
<p>Dogs are popular here and go everywhere. They also are quiet and well-behaved, with few exceptions. Breeds that in the U.S. seem to bark incessantly are quiet here, even when they meet other dogs in the park. I find this astonishing.</p>
<p>I attribute the differences to expectations, to the adult modeling of quiet, considerate<br />
behavior, and to the slower pace of life which allows everyone more time to actually enjoy each other. There are also numerous parks, frequented regardless of even the coldest weather.</p>
<p>I would love to see some of this quality of life return to America, and Czechs to realize what they have and hang on to it.</p>
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		<title>By: Eivind</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eivind</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Jan 2009 07:23:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think museums should rightly be seen as part of the education-system, and as such be free or atleast cheap.

In contrast to this, the (marvellous !) science-museum in downtown London costs a grand total of $zero to enter for a family of 5. And it&#039;s a huge, very active museum with tons of exciting exhibits, infact the main problem is you&#039;ve got no chance to even begin to cover the interesting parts in just a single-day visit.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think museums should rightly be seen as part of the education-system, and as such be free or atleast cheap.</p>
<p>In contrast to this, the (marvellous !) science-museum in downtown London costs a grand total of $zero to enter for a family of 5. And it&#8217;s a huge, very active museum with tons of exciting exhibits, infact the main problem is you&#8217;ve got no chance to even begin to cover the interesting parts in just a single-day visit.</p>
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		<title>By: View from Here</title>
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		<dc:creator>View from Here</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Jan 2009 06:51:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is perhaps worth pointing out that a couple of years ago, the directors of Pacific Science Center colluded with an unethical scheme aimed at concealing a scholarly scandal from the public.

The precise goal of this scheme, involving Dead Sea Scrolls scholarship, was to shore up the reputations of the disgraced group of conservative Christian monopolists who controlled access to the scrolls for many years.

Further, this group, with the assistance of Pacific Science Center, sought to convince the public of the truth of a highly disputed, religiously oriented theory, which has been rejected by reputable, secular-minded researchers all over the world. Pacific Science Center did not even inform the public of scholarly opposition to the theory in question.

Under such circumstances, what form of scientific integrity can Pacific &quot;Science&quot; Center claim to have? Why should anyone support such an institution, or even believe anything they see in exhibitions put on under its auspices?

Here is a set of items which anyone can consult to see exactly what happened at Pacific Science Center -- and then, incidentally, in San Diego:

http://oi.uchicago.edu/research/is/deadseascrolls.html

http://www.nowpublic.com/culture/did-christian-agenda-lead-biased-dead-sea-scrolls-exhibit-san-diego

http://robertdworkin.wordpress.com/2008/07/12/the-ethics-of-exhibition-romancing-the-scrolls/

http://www.forward.com/articles/take-claims-about-dead-sea-scrolls-with-a-grain-of/

http://museum-ethics.blogspot.com/2007/06/chronology-of-dead-sea-scrolls.html

And see now the National Post article on this controversy:

http://www.nationalpost.com/arts/story.html?id=954321</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is perhaps worth pointing out that a couple of years ago, the directors of Pacific Science Center colluded with an unethical scheme aimed at concealing a scholarly scandal from the public.</p>
<p>The precise goal of this scheme, involving Dead Sea Scrolls scholarship, was to shore up the reputations of the disgraced group of conservative Christian monopolists who controlled access to the scrolls for many years.</p>
<p>Further, this group, with the assistance of Pacific Science Center, sought to convince the public of the truth of a highly disputed, religiously oriented theory, which has been rejected by reputable, secular-minded researchers all over the world. Pacific Science Center did not even inform the public of scholarly opposition to the theory in question.</p>
<p>Under such circumstances, what form of scientific integrity can Pacific &#8220;Science&#8221; Center claim to have? Why should anyone support such an institution, or even believe anything they see in exhibitions put on under its auspices?</p>
<p>Here is a set of items which anyone can consult to see exactly what happened at Pacific Science Center &#8212; and then, incidentally, in San Diego:</p>
<p><a href="http://oi.uchicago.edu/research/is/deadseascrolls.html" rel="nofollow">http://oi.uchicago.edu/research/is/deadseascrolls.html</a></p>
<p><a href="http://www.nowpublic.com/culture/did-christian-agenda-lead-biased-dead-sea-scrolls-exhibit-san-diego" rel="nofollow">http://www.nowpublic.com/culture/did-christian-agenda-lead-biased-dead-sea-scrolls-exhibit-san-diego</a></p>
<p><a href="http://robertdworkin.wordpress.com/2008/07/12/the-ethics-of-exhibition-romancing-the-scrolls/" rel="nofollow">http://robertdworkin.wordpress.com/2008/07/12/the-ethics-of-exhibition-romancing-the-scrolls/</a></p>
<p><a href="http://www.forward.com/articles/take-claims-about-dead-sea-scrolls-with-a-grain-of/" rel="nofollow">http://www.forward.com/articles/take-claims-about-dead-sea-scrolls-with-a-grain-of/</a></p>
<p><a href="http://museum-ethics.blogspot.com/2007/06/chronology-of-dead-sea-scrolls.html" rel="nofollow">http://museum-ethics.blogspot.com/2007/06/chronology-of-dead-sea-scrolls.html</a></p>
<p>And see now the National Post article on this controversy:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.nationalpost.com/arts/story.html?id=954321" rel="nofollow">http://www.nationalpost.com/arts/story.html?id=954321</a></p>
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		<title>By: Jeff</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Jan 2009 05:43:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Julianne:  I say &quot;bring it on,&quot; childfree people.  :)  (Although I&#039;ll predict that the childfree people will win the war--they have more time to spare for writing blog entries)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Julianne:  I say &#8220;bring it on,&#8221; childfree people.  <img src='http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />   (Although I&#8217;ll predict that the childfree people will win the war&#8211;they have more time to spare for writing blog entries)</p>
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		<title>By: Julianne</title>
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		<dc:creator>Julianne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Jan 2009 05:34:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh boy!  Are we about to have a childfree vs breeder war?  I&#039;m gettin&#039; out the popcorn!

And Wendy -- thanks for the correction.  I&#039;ve fixed the numbers in the post.  But it still adds up to a ton of money for a family outing.  My parents took my kids and one of their friends, and were appalled at how much the visit cost them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh boy!  Are we about to have a childfree vs breeder war?  I&#8217;m gettin&#8217; out the popcorn!</p>
<p>And Wendy &#8212; thanks for the correction.  I&#8217;ve fixed the numbers in the post.  But it still adds up to a ton of money for a family outing.  My parents took my kids and one of their friends, and were appalled at how much the visit cost them.</p>
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