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		<title>By: Looking for Dark Matter in the Moon&#8217;s Shadow &#124; Cosmic Variance &#124; Discover Magazine</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2009/02/04/looking-for-dark-matter-in-all-the-wrong-places/#comment-49524</link>
		<dc:creator>Looking for Dark Matter in the Moon&#8217;s Shadow &#124; Cosmic Variance &#124; Discover Magazine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Jul 2009 16:32:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] clever and fun idea (via arxiv blog). A while back the PAMELA experiment claimed to see an excess of high-energy positrons in cosmic rays &#8212; a signal that could come from imperfectly-understood astrophysical objects [...] </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] clever and fun idea (via arxiv blog). A while back the PAMELA experiment claimed to see an excess of high-energy positrons in cosmic rays &#8212; a signal that could come from imperfectly-understood astrophysical objects [...] </p>
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		<title>By: Positrons from normal, not dark, matter : Stochastic Scribbles</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2009/02/04/looking-for-dark-matter-in-all-the-wrong-places/#comment-49523</link>
		<dc:creator>Positrons from normal, not dark, matter : Stochastic Scribbles</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Jul 2009 12:03:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] responsible for the positron distribution. I wonder if the same implication can be inferred for the PAMELA observations?    Tags: antimatter, dark matter, gamma-ray Category: Astronomy, Physics [...] </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] responsible for the positron distribution. I wonder if the same implication can be inferred for the PAMELA observations?    Tags: antimatter, dark matter, gamma-ray Category: Astronomy, Physics [...] </p>
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		<title>By: Fermi Waffles on Dark Matter &#124; Cosmic Variance &#124; Discover Magazine</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2009/02/04/looking-for-dark-matter-in-all-the-wrong-places/#comment-49522</link>
		<dc:creator>Fermi Waffles on Dark Matter &#124; Cosmic Variance &#124; Discover Magazine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 May 2009 17:15:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] the last few months there&#8217;s been some excitement among particle-astrophysicists about intriguing results from the PAMELA satellite experiment and the ATIC balloon experiment. (We also blogged about it [...] </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] the last few months there&#8217;s been some excitement among particle-astrophysicists about intriguing results from the PAMELA satellite experiment and the ATIC balloon experiment. (We also blogged about it [...] </p>
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		<title>By: The Dark Side in Aspen &#124; Cosmic Variance &#124; Discover Magazine</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2009/02/04/looking-for-dark-matter-in-all-the-wrong-places/#comment-49521</link>
		<dc:creator>The Dark Side in Aspen &#124; Cosmic Variance &#124; Discover Magazine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Feb 2009 12:22:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] I took away from it (although any mistakes here are naturally due to me, and not to Greg) is that, as we&#8217;ve discussed before, the big deal for PAMELA (and the earlier HEAT experiment) is an accurate measurement of the flux [...] </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] I took away from it (although any mistakes here are naturally due to me, and not to Greg) is that, as we&#8217;ve discussed before, the big deal for PAMELA (and the earlier HEAT experiment) is an accurate measurement of the flux [...] </p>
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		<title>By: John R Ramsden</title>
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		<dc:creator>John R Ramsden</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Feb 2009 13:14:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Arun&#039;s question got me thinking. It&#039;s probably a crazy idea, but could photons with very long wavelengths, e.g. hundreds of light years long, be trapped by the slight gravitational field of a galaxy, i.e. reflected off the slightly curved space and confined to rattle about inside the galaxy?

With such long wavelengths they wouldn&#039;t interact much if at all with matter, but if there were enough of them (produced in the Big Bang shortly after the Universe dropped below the elecroweak unification temperature?) they would exert a significant gravitational force.

(It may be the Bullet cluster is enough to put paid to this idea, if dark matter remains localized after being bumped aside from its host galaxy.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Arun&#8217;s question got me thinking. It&#8217;s probably a crazy idea, but could photons with very long wavelengths, e.g. hundreds of light years long, be trapped by the slight gravitational field of a galaxy, i.e. reflected off the slightly curved space and confined to rattle about inside the galaxy?</p>
<p>With such long wavelengths they wouldn&#8217;t interact much if at all with matter, but if there were enough of them (produced in the Big Bang shortly after the Universe dropped below the elecroweak unification temperature?) they would exert a significant gravitational force.</p>
<p>(It may be the Bullet cluster is enough to put paid to this idea, if dark matter remains localized after being bumped aside from its host galaxy.)</p>
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		<title>By: Brody Facoum</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brody Facoum</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Feb 2009 01:53:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Arun -

Isn&#039;t it better to think of stars collecting in pools of dark matter?

Or really, since they both influence and follow spacetime curvature, DM and ordinary matter ought to collect into wells together, with more massive objects tending to sift (or at least be found) &quot;downward&quot; eventually.

Are there degenerate phases of dark matter?   How much denser is DM near the centre of large scale structures than in galactic halos or in inter-galactic space?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Arun -</p>
<p>Isn&#8217;t it better to think of stars collecting in pools of dark matter?</p>
<p>Or really, since they both influence and follow spacetime curvature, DM and ordinary matter ought to collect into wells together, with more massive objects tending to sift (or at least be found) &#8220;downward&#8221; eventually.</p>
<p>Are there degenerate phases of dark matter?   How much denser is DM near the centre of large scale structures than in galactic halos or in inter-galactic space?</p>
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		<title>By: David</title>
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		<dc:creator>David</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Feb 2009 20:26:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sean, thanks for your detailed comments on this paper.

I had precisely the same reaction as Valerie about your comment that arXiv publication is what matters. All of us who write about science these days do write stories based on what comes from the arXiv but we all receive negative comments from scientists for doing it. It doesn&#039;t stop us from doing it! However, having something to peg the story to, like journal publication, helps us choose what stories to cover among the many possible options, especially if we didn&#039;t catch it first time around.

I also agree that the Physics piece could have done with some more context about the Nature paper. Apparently Physics takes letters to the editor although I don&#039;t think I&#039;ve seen any yet. Perhaps it would be worth something brief...

I still think it was worth pointing out this paper now, especially given that, as you pointed out, it hadn&#039;t had any coverage previously but is an important part of the story. Cosmic Variance had talked about the positron paper but not the anti-proton paper, for example. I see that PhysicsWorld has just done a piece on this paper as well: http://physicsworld.com/cws/article/news/37665

It might not be new, but it still seems to be news.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sean, thanks for your detailed comments on this paper.</p>
<p>I had precisely the same reaction as Valerie about your comment that arXiv publication is what matters. All of us who write about science these days do write stories based on what comes from the arXiv but we all receive negative comments from scientists for doing it. It doesn&#8217;t stop us from doing it! However, having something to peg the story to, like journal publication, helps us choose what stories to cover among the many possible options, especially if we didn&#8217;t catch it first time around.</p>
<p>I also agree that the Physics piece could have done with some more context about the Nature paper. Apparently Physics takes letters to the editor although I don&#8217;t think I&#8217;ve seen any yet. Perhaps it would be worth something brief&#8230;</p>
<p>I still think it was worth pointing out this paper now, especially given that, as you pointed out, it hadn&#8217;t had any coverage previously but is an important part of the story. Cosmic Variance had talked about the positron paper but not the anti-proton paper, for example. I see that PhysicsWorld has just done a piece on this paper as well: <a href="http://physicsworld.com/cws/article/news/37665" rel="nofollow">http://physicsworld.com/cws/article/news/37665</a></p>
<p>It might not be new, but it still seems to be news.</p>
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		<title>By: JoAnne</title>
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		<dc:creator>JoAnne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Feb 2009 19:38:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Valerie:  there are some theorists who don&#039;t &quot;bother&quot; to submit all their papers to journals for publication and thus only disseminate through the arXiv.  That&#039;s fine for well-known senior folks as their papers will get read anyway, but it&#039;s the kiss of death for young authors.

Sean:  Nope, I meant &quot;find a fudge factor&quot; - it is astrophysics afterall.  ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Valerie:  there are some theorists who don&#8217;t &#8220;bother&#8221; to submit all their papers to journals for publication and thus only disseminate through the arXiv.  That&#8217;s fine for well-known senior folks as their papers will get read anyway, but it&#8217;s the kiss of death for young authors.</p>
<p>Sean:  Nope, I meant &#8220;find a fudge factor&#8221; &#8211; it is astrophysics afterall.  <img src='http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Sean</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sean</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Feb 2009 17:16:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Valerie, the process of peer review helps separate the sensible papers from the crazy ones.  (Not with perfect fidelity, unfortunately.)  But what matters is whether a paper is sensible or crazy, not whether it is peer-reviewed or not.  (That&#039;s my view; others may disagree.  Levels of disagreement likely correlate with age.)

Scientists could legitimately be annoyed if a crazy paper that never would have passed peer review were picked from the arxiv and widely publicized.  But if a paper is sensible, I personally don&#039;t see what difference it makes that it&#039;s been peer-reviewed or not.  The idea that a result doesn&#039;t really &quot;exist&quot; until it appears in a peer-reviewed journal is a fiction that is becoming increasingly difficult to maintain.

Of course, I am a theorist, and most of my experience is with theoretical papers.  Experimentalists might feel differently, and are welcome to chime in.

Also, physicists just like to berate people, so don&#039;t take it personally.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Valerie, the process of peer review helps separate the sensible papers from the crazy ones.  (Not with perfect fidelity, unfortunately.)  But what matters is whether a paper is sensible or crazy, not whether it is peer-reviewed or not.  (That&#8217;s my view; others may disagree.  Levels of disagreement likely correlate with age.)</p>
<p>Scientists could legitimately be annoyed if a crazy paper that never would have passed peer review were picked from the arxiv and widely publicized.  But if a paper is sensible, I personally don&#8217;t see what difference it makes that it&#8217;s been peer-reviewed or not.  The idea that a result doesn&#8217;t really &#8220;exist&#8221; until it appears in a peer-reviewed journal is a fiction that is becoming increasingly difficult to maintain.</p>
<p>Of course, I am a theorist, and most of my experience is with theoretical papers.  Experimentalists might feel differently, and are welcome to chime in.</p>
<p>Also, physicists just like to berate people, so don&#8217;t take it personally.</p>
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		<title>By: anon</title>
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		<dc:creator>anon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Feb 2009 17:06:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i suspect he meant the date of arxiv posting is what really matters.
journals can take a long time to publish a paper.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i suspect he meant the date of arxiv posting is what really matters.<br />
journals can take a long time to publish a paper.</p>
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