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		<title>By: Lab Lemming</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2009/02/22/grow-up-america/comment-page-1/#comment-64384</link>
		<dc:creator>Lab Lemming</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Feb 2009 08:50:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Pot is a recreational drug, not one that enhances performance, and is completely irrelevant to Phelps prior Olympiad achievements.&quot;

didn&#039;t some snowboarder get disqualified for failing a pot test?  If it is listed as performance enhancing, then it doesn&#039;t matter what the actual effect is- fail a test and you can&#039;t compete.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Pot is a recreational drug, not one that enhances performance, and is completely irrelevant to Phelps prior Olympiad achievements.&#8221;</p>
<p>didn&#8217;t some snowboarder get disqualified for failing a pot test?  If it is listed as performance enhancing, then it doesn&#8217;t matter what the actual effect is- fail a test and you can&#8217;t compete.</p>
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		<title>By: Count Iblis</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2009/02/22/grow-up-america/comment-page-1/#comment-64170</link>
		<dc:creator>Count Iblis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Feb 2009 23:15:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Americans have a different attitude toward the law than we have in Europe. Unlike in Euprope, in the US, the law is absolute.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Americans have a different attitude toward the law than we have in Europe. Unlike in Euprope, in the US, the law is absolute.</p>
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		<title>By: coolstar</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2009/02/22/grow-up-america/comment-page-1/#comment-64156</link>
		<dc:creator>coolstar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Feb 2009 20:54:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Have to say it (even though I am a card carrying liberal): Michael Phelps failed the Darwin test.  He&#039;s lucky, the punishment is quite often fatal........</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Have to say it (even though I am a card carrying liberal): Michael Phelps failed the Darwin test.  He&#8217;s lucky, the punishment is quite often fatal&#8230;&#8230;..</p>
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		<title>By: roger</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2009/02/22/grow-up-america/comment-page-1/#comment-64149</link>
		<dc:creator>roger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Feb 2009 18:15:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;slowly-burning psychoactive herb&quot;: what does slowly-burning have to do with it? Are people claiming its a danger because it burns dangerously fast?? Anyways if he&#039;s gonna take millions upon millions in cash, those who pay him can impose any conditions they want. If they are in the business of selling cereal, and don&#039;t much feel like getting involved in a public debate about the merits of marijuana, then they should kick him to the curb. Likewise with the Olympics organizers: they created the conditions for him to compete, and they establish the rules. 

So smug and condescending. So ready to ascribe motives to others, so sure you understand their objections to what you approve of  - arrogance. Is &quot;puritanism&quot; really such a big deal in this country, Sean? Porn is a national pastime and is widely available, half the Internet is streaming porn videos, 26% of adult New Yorkers have genital herpes (look it up). So even these detestable Americans haven&#039;t reached the creamy sexual ideal you judge them by, but is it really &quot;puritanism&quot;? I know many hispanic Catholics families who are much more &quot;sexually uptight&quot; than loose WASP girls I went to school with (more directly related to the Puritans, but even so the analogy is asinine from a historical perspective). Modern America has shifted so far from the early Puritan settlers who formed but a part of its early history. So unpoint your finger.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;slowly-burning psychoactive herb&#8221;: what does slowly-burning have to do with it? Are people claiming its a danger because it burns dangerously fast?? Anyways if he&#8217;s gonna take millions upon millions in cash, those who pay him can impose any conditions they want. If they are in the business of selling cereal, and don&#8217;t much feel like getting involved in a public debate about the merits of marijuana, then they should kick him to the curb. Likewise with the Olympics organizers: they created the conditions for him to compete, and they establish the rules. </p>
<p>So smug and condescending. So ready to ascribe motives to others, so sure you understand their objections to what you approve of  &#8211; arrogance. Is &#8220;puritanism&#8221; really such a big deal in this country, Sean? Porn is a national pastime and is widely available, half the Internet is streaming porn videos, 26% of adult New Yorkers have genital herpes (look it up). So even these detestable Americans haven&#8217;t reached the creamy sexual ideal you judge them by, but is it really &#8220;puritanism&#8221;? I know many hispanic Catholics families who are much more &#8220;sexually uptight&#8221; than loose WASP girls I went to school with (more directly related to the Puritans, but even so the analogy is asinine from a historical perspective). Modern America has shifted so far from the early Puritan settlers who formed but a part of its early history. So unpoint your finger.</p>
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		<title>By: Harbles</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2009/02/22/grow-up-america/comment-page-1/#comment-64146</link>
		<dc:creator>Harbles</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Feb 2009 17:27:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And what about Metrication?

It will help business be more efficient in a global market and simplify education etc, etc ... but there seems to be a right wing taboo against it be cause &#039;it ain&#039;t &#039;mericun!&#039;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And what about Metrication?</p>
<p>It will help business be more efficient in a global market and simplify education etc, etc &#8230; but there seems to be a right wing taboo against it be cause &#8216;it ain&#8217;t &#8216;mericun!&#8217;</p>
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		<title>By: Gordon Wilson</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2009/02/22/grow-up-america/comment-page-1/#comment-64143</link>
		<dc:creator>Gordon Wilson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Feb 2009 16:05:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;It’s(US)  also substantially more religious, but the direction of the causal arrows is not clear.&quot;

Really?  I think the direction is crystal clear.  As Christopher Hitchens says, &quot;Religion poisons
everything.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;It’s(US)  also substantially more religious, but the direction of the causal arrows is not clear.&#8221;</p>
<p>Really?  I think the direction is crystal clear.  As Christopher Hitchens says, &#8220;Religion poisons<br />
everything.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: wds</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2009/02/22/grow-up-america/comment-page-1/#comment-64139</link>
		<dc:creator>wds</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Feb 2009 14:10:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m not so sure I agree with you on your stance on gambling. Annette Obrestad has managed to make a great living for herself playing poker, sure, but do we really want to encourage children to take this up as a profession? Is that not what a role model does? I think there&#039;s a whole bunch of other professions that 1) have a much better risk/reward ratio and 2) serve a more useful purpose.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not so sure I agree with you on your stance on gambling. Annette Obrestad has managed to make a great living for herself playing poker, sure, but do we really want to encourage children to take this up as a profession? Is that not what a role model does? I think there&#8217;s a whole bunch of other professions that 1) have a much better risk/reward ratio and 2) serve a more useful purpose.</p>
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		<title>By: Chaz&#8217;s Lifestream &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Daily Digest for 2009-02-22</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chaz&#8217;s Lifestream &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Daily Digest for 2009-02-22</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Feb 2009 10:47:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Haelfix</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2009/02/22/grow-up-america/comment-page-1/#comment-64126</link>
		<dc:creator>Haelfix</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Feb 2009 09:56:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You would think some of that stimulus package could have gone directly into funding a better rail system instead of so many of those wasteful programs.  Otoh i&#039;ve read a lot of that sort of thing is difficult to plan and construct in a quick timeframe.

I think they should plan out business cycles in a more effective way next time.  The government should literally have ready to go big project plans already setup for stimulating recesionary phases in case monetary policy fails as opposed to wasting billions of dollars on less effecient spur of the moment shovel ready projects that don&#039;t really have big multiplier effects.

Hopefully you don&#039;t have to use them, but its never a bad idea to actually have the groundwork in place.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You would think some of that stimulus package could have gone directly into funding a better rail system instead of so many of those wasteful programs.  Otoh i&#8217;ve read a lot of that sort of thing is difficult to plan and construct in a quick timeframe.</p>
<p>I think they should plan out business cycles in a more effective way next time.  The government should literally have ready to go big project plans already setup for stimulating recesionary phases in case monetary policy fails as opposed to wasting billions of dollars on less effecient spur of the moment shovel ready projects that don&#8217;t really have big multiplier effects.</p>
<p>Hopefully you don&#8217;t have to use them, but its never a bad idea to actually have the groundwork in place.</p>
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		<title>By: Jimbo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jimbo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Feb 2009 05:46:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kudos to CV for Holding the Flag of American Hypocrisy high !

Hyperbole fails me.  This is the quintessential ICEBERG issue of which 80% is sub-surface, yet with political warming in DC, more of the iceberg becomes visible, and will hopefully all melt one day.
The Phelps Phiasco is particularly, painfully poignant !  He did indeed have it all in the palm of his hand, but did not possess the testicular fabric to thrust it into the air, in a gesture which would&#039;ve ranked with the John Carlos/Tommie Smith black power salute in the 1968 Olympic games.

Pot is a recreational drug, not one that enhances performance, and is completely irrelevant to Phelps prior Olympiad achievements.  But the `image thing&#039; is what they have crucified Phelps over: young Americans should hold their Olympians `high&#039; as moral role-models, or so the hypocrites demand.  Burning the scepter, burned those bridges, and the powers that be threatened to burn Phelps if he did not recant.

It was a sad day when he missed the opportunity of a lifetime, as the linked letter made clear, but perhaps this is the first shot across the bow of puritanical America, that a new Boston Tea Party is waiting in the wings to happen, and cast off the 40-year hamperings of an utterly failed 10-Billion$$ per year drug war against otherwise law-abiding Americans, a multi-billion dollar prison industry, and a S.of the border horror-story which will only continue to get worse.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kudos to CV for Holding the Flag of American Hypocrisy high !</p>
<p>Hyperbole fails me.  This is the quintessential ICEBERG issue of which 80% is sub-surface, yet with political warming in DC, more of the iceberg becomes visible, and will hopefully all melt one day.<br />
The Phelps Phiasco is particularly, painfully poignant !  He did indeed have it all in the palm of his hand, but did not possess the testicular fabric to thrust it into the air, in a gesture which would&#8217;ve ranked with the John Carlos/Tommie Smith black power salute in the 1968 Olympic games.</p>
<p>Pot is a recreational drug, not one that enhances performance, and is completely irrelevant to Phelps prior Olympiad achievements.  But the `image thing&#8217; is what they have crucified Phelps over: young Americans should hold their Olympians `high&#8217; as moral role-models, or so the hypocrites demand.  Burning the scepter, burned those bridges, and the powers that be threatened to burn Phelps if he did not recant.</p>
<p>It was a sad day when he missed the opportunity of a lifetime, as the linked letter made clear, but perhaps this is the first shot across the bow of puritanical America, that a new Boston Tea Party is waiting in the wings to happen, and cast off the 40-year hamperings of an utterly failed 10-Billion$$ per year drug war against otherwise law-abiding Americans, a multi-billion dollar prison industry, and a S.of the border horror-story which will only continue to get worse.</p>
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