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		<title>By: Lab Lemming</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2009/02/22/grow-up-america/comment-page-1/#comment-64384</link>
		<dc:creator>Lab Lemming</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Feb 2009 08:50:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Pot is a recreational drug, not one that enhances performance, and is completely irrelevant to Phelps prior Olympiad achievements.&quot;

didn&#039;t some snowboarder get disqualified for failing a pot test?  If it is listed as performance enhancing, then it doesn&#039;t matter what the actual effect is- fail a test and you can&#039;t compete.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Pot is a recreational drug, not one that enhances performance, and is completely irrelevant to Phelps prior Olympiad achievements.&#8221;</p>
<p>didn&#8217;t some snowboarder get disqualified for failing a pot test?  If it is listed as performance enhancing, then it doesn&#8217;t matter what the actual effect is- fail a test and you can&#8217;t compete.</p>
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		<title>By: Count Iblis</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2009/02/22/grow-up-america/comment-page-1/#comment-64170</link>
		<dc:creator>Count Iblis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Feb 2009 23:15:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Americans have a different attitude toward the law than we have in Europe. Unlike in Euprope, in the US, the law is absolute.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Americans have a different attitude toward the law than we have in Europe. Unlike in Euprope, in the US, the law is absolute.</p>
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		<title>By: coolstar</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2009/02/22/grow-up-america/comment-page-1/#comment-64156</link>
		<dc:creator>coolstar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Feb 2009 20:54:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Have to say it (even though I am a card carrying liberal): Michael Phelps failed the Darwin test.  He&#039;s lucky, the punishment is quite often fatal........</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Have to say it (even though I am a card carrying liberal): Michael Phelps failed the Darwin test.  He&#8217;s lucky, the punishment is quite often fatal&#8230;&#8230;..</p>
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		<title>By: roger</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2009/02/22/grow-up-america/comment-page-1/#comment-64149</link>
		<dc:creator>roger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Feb 2009 18:15:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;slowly-burning psychoactive herb&quot;: what does slowly-burning have to do with it? Are people claiming its a danger because it burns dangerously fast?? Anyways if he&#039;s gonna take millions upon millions in cash, those who pay him can impose any conditions they want. If they are in the business of selling cereal, and don&#039;t much feel like getting involved in a public debate about the merits of marijuana, then they should kick him to the curb. Likewise with the Olympics organizers: they created the conditions for him to compete, and they establish the rules. 

So smug and condescending. So ready to ascribe motives to others, so sure you understand their objections to what you approve of  - arrogance. Is &quot;puritanism&quot; really such a big deal in this country, Sean? Porn is a national pastime and is widely available, half the Internet is streaming porn videos, 26% of adult New Yorkers have genital herpes (look it up). So even these detestable Americans haven&#039;t reached the creamy sexual ideal you judge them by, but is it really &quot;puritanism&quot;? I know many hispanic Catholics families who are much more &quot;sexually uptight&quot; than loose WASP girls I went to school with (more directly related to the Puritans, but even so the analogy is asinine from a historical perspective). Modern America has shifted so far from the early Puritan settlers who formed but a part of its early history. So unpoint your finger.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;slowly-burning psychoactive herb&#8221;: what does slowly-burning have to do with it? Are people claiming its a danger because it burns dangerously fast?? Anyways if he&#8217;s gonna take millions upon millions in cash, those who pay him can impose any conditions they want. If they are in the business of selling cereal, and don&#8217;t much feel like getting involved in a public debate about the merits of marijuana, then they should kick him to the curb. Likewise with the Olympics organizers: they created the conditions for him to compete, and they establish the rules. </p>
<p>So smug and condescending. So ready to ascribe motives to others, so sure you understand their objections to what you approve of  &#8211; arrogance. Is &#8220;puritanism&#8221; really such a big deal in this country, Sean? Porn is a national pastime and is widely available, half the Internet is streaming porn videos, 26% of adult New Yorkers have genital herpes (look it up). So even these detestable Americans haven&#8217;t reached the creamy sexual ideal you judge them by, but is it really &#8220;puritanism&#8221;? I know many hispanic Catholics families who are much more &#8220;sexually uptight&#8221; than loose WASP girls I went to school with (more directly related to the Puritans, but even so the analogy is asinine from a historical perspective). Modern America has shifted so far from the early Puritan settlers who formed but a part of its early history. So unpoint your finger.</p>
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		<title>By: Harbles</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2009/02/22/grow-up-america/comment-page-1/#comment-64146</link>
		<dc:creator>Harbles</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Feb 2009 17:27:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And what about Metrication?

It will help business be more efficient in a global market and simplify education etc, etc ... but there seems to be a right wing taboo against it be cause &#039;it ain&#039;t &#039;mericun!&#039;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And what about Metrication?</p>
<p>It will help business be more efficient in a global market and simplify education etc, etc &#8230; but there seems to be a right wing taboo against it be cause &#8216;it ain&#8217;t &#8216;mericun!&#8217;</p>
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		<title>By: Gordon Wilson</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2009/02/22/grow-up-america/comment-page-1/#comment-64143</link>
		<dc:creator>Gordon Wilson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Feb 2009 16:05:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;It’s(US)  also substantially more religious, but the direction of the causal arrows is not clear.&quot;

Really?  I think the direction is crystal clear.  As Christopher Hitchens says, &quot;Religion poisons
everything.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;It’s(US)  also substantially more religious, but the direction of the causal arrows is not clear.&#8221;</p>
<p>Really?  I think the direction is crystal clear.  As Christopher Hitchens says, &#8220;Religion poisons<br />
everything.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: wds</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2009/02/22/grow-up-america/comment-page-1/#comment-64139</link>
		<dc:creator>wds</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Feb 2009 14:10:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m not so sure I agree with you on your stance on gambling. Annette Obrestad has managed to make a great living for herself playing poker, sure, but do we really want to encourage children to take this up as a profession? Is that not what a role model does? I think there&#039;s a whole bunch of other professions that 1) have a much better risk/reward ratio and 2) serve a more useful purpose.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not so sure I agree with you on your stance on gambling. Annette Obrestad has managed to make a great living for herself playing poker, sure, but do we really want to encourage children to take this up as a profession? Is that not what a role model does? I think there&#8217;s a whole bunch of other professions that 1) have a much better risk/reward ratio and 2) serve a more useful purpose.</p>
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		<title>By: Chaz&#8217;s Lifestream &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Daily Digest for 2009-02-22</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chaz&#8217;s Lifestream &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Daily Digest for 2009-02-22</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Feb 2009 10:47:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Haelfix</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2009/02/22/grow-up-america/comment-page-1/#comment-64126</link>
		<dc:creator>Haelfix</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Feb 2009 09:56:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You would think some of that stimulus package could have gone directly into funding a better rail system instead of so many of those wasteful programs.  Otoh i&#039;ve read a lot of that sort of thing is difficult to plan and construct in a quick timeframe.

I think they should plan out business cycles in a more effective way next time.  The government should literally have ready to go big project plans already setup for stimulating recesionary phases in case monetary policy fails as opposed to wasting billions of dollars on less effecient spur of the moment shovel ready projects that don&#039;t really have big multiplier effects.

Hopefully you don&#039;t have to use them, but its never a bad idea to actually have the groundwork in place.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You would think some of that stimulus package could have gone directly into funding a better rail system instead of so many of those wasteful programs.  Otoh i&#8217;ve read a lot of that sort of thing is difficult to plan and construct in a quick timeframe.</p>
<p>I think they should plan out business cycles in a more effective way next time.  The government should literally have ready to go big project plans already setup for stimulating recesionary phases in case monetary policy fails as opposed to wasting billions of dollars on less effecient spur of the moment shovel ready projects that don&#8217;t really have big multiplier effects.</p>
<p>Hopefully you don&#8217;t have to use them, but its never a bad idea to actually have the groundwork in place.</p>
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		<title>By: Jimbo</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2009/02/22/grow-up-america/comment-page-1/#comment-64115</link>
		<dc:creator>Jimbo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Feb 2009 05:46:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kudos to CV for Holding the Flag of American Hypocrisy high !

Hyperbole fails me.  This is the quintessential ICEBERG issue of which 80% is sub-surface, yet with political warming in DC, more of the iceberg becomes visible, and will hopefully all melt one day.
The Phelps Phiasco is particularly, painfully poignant !  He did indeed have it all in the palm of his hand, but did not possess the testicular fabric to thrust it into the air, in a gesture which would&#039;ve ranked with the John Carlos/Tommie Smith black power salute in the 1968 Olympic games.

Pot is a recreational drug, not one that enhances performance, and is completely irrelevant to Phelps prior Olympiad achievements.  But the `image thing&#039; is what they have crucified Phelps over: young Americans should hold their Olympians `high&#039; as moral role-models, or so the hypocrites demand.  Burning the scepter, burned those bridges, and the powers that be threatened to burn Phelps if he did not recant.

It was a sad day when he missed the opportunity of a lifetime, as the linked letter made clear, but perhaps this is the first shot across the bow of puritanical America, that a new Boston Tea Party is waiting in the wings to happen, and cast off the 40-year hamperings of an utterly failed 10-Billion$$ per year drug war against otherwise law-abiding Americans, a multi-billion dollar prison industry, and a S.of the border horror-story which will only continue to get worse.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kudos to CV for Holding the Flag of American Hypocrisy high !</p>
<p>Hyperbole fails me.  This is the quintessential ICEBERG issue of which 80% is sub-surface, yet with political warming in DC, more of the iceberg becomes visible, and will hopefully all melt one day.<br />
The Phelps Phiasco is particularly, painfully poignant !  He did indeed have it all in the palm of his hand, but did not possess the testicular fabric to thrust it into the air, in a gesture which would&#8217;ve ranked with the John Carlos/Tommie Smith black power salute in the 1968 Olympic games.</p>
<p>Pot is a recreational drug, not one that enhances performance, and is completely irrelevant to Phelps prior Olympiad achievements.  But the `image thing&#8217; is what they have crucified Phelps over: young Americans should hold their Olympians `high&#8217; as moral role-models, or so the hypocrites demand.  Burning the scepter, burned those bridges, and the powers that be threatened to burn Phelps if he did not recant.</p>
<p>It was a sad day when he missed the opportunity of a lifetime, as the linked letter made clear, but perhaps this is the first shot across the bow of puritanical America, that a new Boston Tea Party is waiting in the wings to happen, and cast off the 40-year hamperings of an utterly failed 10-Billion$$ per year drug war against otherwise law-abiding Americans, a multi-billion dollar prison industry, and a S.of the border horror-story which will only continue to get worse.</p>
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		<title>By: spyder</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2009/02/22/grow-up-america/comment-page-1/#comment-64110</link>
		<dc:creator>spyder</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Feb 2009 04:12:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think Stewart/Colbert said it best: USSwimming thought they were punishing Phelps by giving him three months off?  Sure, tell a dope smoker he has three months to stop smoking, right?!  The cynicism in this is made more intense knowing the training and competition schedule of swimming at that level.  This three months means absolutely nothing whatsoever to Phelps or his coach.  

Citizens of the US tend to have no conscious awareness regarding the substantive difference between the extremely-thin line dividing intellectual levels of competency regardless of age.  I know 40 year olds that should never gamble or drink.  I know 14 year olds with substantively greater maturity.  Arbitrary designations of age are as fake as CGI f/x</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think Stewart/Colbert said it best: USSwimming thought they were punishing Phelps by giving him three months off?  Sure, tell a dope smoker he has three months to stop smoking, right?!  The cynicism in this is made more intense knowing the training and competition schedule of swimming at that level.  This three months means absolutely nothing whatsoever to Phelps or his coach.  </p>
<p>Citizens of the US tend to have no conscious awareness regarding the substantive difference between the extremely-thin line dividing intellectual levels of competency regardless of age.  I know 40 year olds that should never gamble or drink.  I know 14 year olds with substantively greater maturity.  Arbitrary designations of age are as fake as CGI f/x</p>
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		<title>By: Mark S</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2009/02/22/grow-up-america/comment-page-1/#comment-64109</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark S</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Feb 2009 03:55:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&gt;So are you arguing that because Phelps is rich, white, and famous, he should be treated differently than all the poor black drug users who go to jail without making the front page?


No, all marijuana users should all be treated the same, black or white - they should be let off.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>>So are you arguing that because Phelps is rich, white, and famous, he should be treated differently than all the poor black drug users who go to jail without making the front page?</p>
<p>No, all marijuana users should all be treated the same, black or white &#8211; they should be let off.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Feb 2009 03:42:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Of course you can&#039;t have kids have sex until they&#039;re old enough to attend conferences! If students could have sex at any age, scientific conferences would completely lose their purpose, and all of them would have to be cancelled considering the current science budget. http://www.insidehighered.com/news/2009/01/02/mla</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Of course you can&#8217;t have kids have sex until they&#8217;re old enough to attend conferences! If students could have sex at any age, scientific conferences would completely lose their purpose, and all of them would have to be cancelled considering the current science budget. <a href="http://www.insidehighered.com/news/2009/01/02/mla" rel="nofollow">http://www.insidehighered.com/news/2009/01/02/mla</a></p>
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		<title>By: Jason Creighton</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2009/02/22/grow-up-america/comment-page-1/#comment-64106</link>
		<dc:creator>Jason Creighton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Feb 2009 03:27:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nitpick: The minimum gambling age is not the same everywhere in the US, it varies state by state:

http://www.worldcasinodirectory.com/gambling_age_chart.htm

It&#039;s 21 or 18 most places, though.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nitpick: The minimum gambling age is not the same everywhere in the US, it varies state by state:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.worldcasinodirectory.com/gambling_age_chart.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.worldcasinodirectory.com/gambling_age_chart.htm</a></p>
<p>It&#8217;s 21 or 18 most places, though.</p>
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		<title>By: Low Math, Meekly Interacting</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2009/02/22/grow-up-america/comment-page-1/#comment-64105</link>
		<dc:creator>Low Math, Meekly Interacting</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Feb 2009 03:02:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m not sure we&#039;re really less mature than other places.

To wit (just off the top of my head):

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/entertainment/7903784.stm

http://article.wn.com/view/2009/01/11/une_majorit_de_fran_ais_d_sapprouvent_le_retour_au_travail_t/?section=BigPhoto&amp;template=cheetah-photo-search%2Findex.txt

That said, the fact that the rest of world can be just as idiotic, in their fashion, is no excuse for us to be.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not sure we&#8217;re really less mature than other places.</p>
<p>To wit (just off the top of my head):</p>
<p><a href="http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/entertainment/7903784.stm" rel="nofollow">http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/entertainment/7903784.stm</a></p>
<p><a href="http://article.wn.com/view/2009/01/11/une_majorit_de_fran_ais_d_sapprouvent_le_retour_au_travail_t/?section=BigPhoto&#038;template=cheetah-photo-search%2Findex.txt" rel="nofollow">http://article.wn.com/view/2009/01/11/une_majorit_de_fran_ais_d_sapprouvent_le_retour_au_travail_t/?section=BigPhoto&#038;template=cheetah-photo-search%2Findex.txt</a></p>
<p>That said, the fact that the rest of world can be just as idiotic, in their fashion, is no excuse for us to be.</p>
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		<title>By: Paul Murray</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2009/02/22/grow-up-america/comment-page-1/#comment-64098</link>
		<dc:creator>Paul Murray</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Feb 2009 00:40:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Shriveled old conservatives don&#039;t withold sex education from teens out of fear, but out of spite. They resent the young their youth, and so mean to punish them for it - that bunishment being having to bear and raise the children that result from sex. &quot;You made yer bed, now lie in it!&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Shriveled old conservatives don&#8217;t withold sex education from teens out of fear, but out of spite. They resent the young their youth, and so mean to punish them for it &#8211; that bunishment being having to bear and raise the children that result from sex. &#8220;You made yer bed, now lie in it!&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Lab Lemming</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lab Lemming</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Feb 2009 00:27:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So are you arguing that because Phelps is rich, white, and famous, he should be treated differently than all the poor black drug users who go to jail without making the front page?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So are you arguing that because Phelps is rich, white, and famous, he should be treated differently than all the poor black drug users who go to jail without making the front page?</p>
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		<title>By: Abdul Naseer</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2009/02/22/grow-up-america/comment-page-1/#comment-64092</link>
		<dc:creator>Abdul Naseer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Feb 2009 23:53:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>On one side are people who push the &#039;extremism&#039; envelope in terms of religion and on the other side are people who push so-called &#039;freedom&#039; i.e. in terms of sex, gambling etc.

Well, the reality is that both attitudes are incorrect. Even though there might different ways of understanding God, let us atleast understand that God exists and that there is goodness in controlling our passions.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>On one side are people who push the &#8216;extremism&#8217; envelope in terms of religion and on the other side are people who push so-called &#8216;freedom&#8217; i.e. in terms of sex, gambling etc.</p>
<p>Well, the reality is that both attitudes are incorrect. Even though there might different ways of understanding God, let us atleast understand that God exists and that there is goodness in controlling our passions.</p>
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		<title>By: Ted</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ted</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Feb 2009 23:25:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Problem with high-speed rail is it&#039;s almost always been a fiscal disaster with minimal environmental benefits (read Randall O&#039;Toole&#039;s study). That&#039;s why private business won&#039;t sink cash into it the way they once did with railroads.  Moreover, federal high speed rail tends to be slow-speed rail because it tends to meander to get into as many counties and congressional districts as possible rather than follow a straight line.

All your other points are great though!  Nice to see someone else read&#039;s Balko&#039;s wonderful blog.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Problem with high-speed rail is it&#8217;s almost always been a fiscal disaster with minimal environmental benefits (read Randall O&#8217;Toole&#8217;s study). That&#8217;s why private business won&#8217;t sink cash into it the way they once did with railroads.  Moreover, federal high speed rail tends to be slow-speed rail because it tends to meander to get into as many counties and congressional districts as possible rather than follow a straight line.</p>
<p>All your other points are great though!  Nice to see someone else read&#8217;s Balko&#8217;s wonderful blog.</p>
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		<title>By: For Whom the Bell Tolls</title>
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		<dc:creator>For Whom the Bell Tolls</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Feb 2009 23:23:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Grow up?  Here&#039;s what the grown-up Americans are doing.  From Glen Greenwald, at Salon:

The Los Angeles Times -- February 20, 2009:

    The Pentagon has concluded that the military detention center at Guantanamo Bay meets the standards for humane treatment of detainees established in the Geneva Convention accords. . . .

    The administration official said the report&#039;s primary conclusions supported the Department of Defense&#039;s long-standing contention that Guantanamo was in compliance with the global convention, including Article 3, which requires the humane treatment of prisoners taken in unconventional armed conflicts, such as the war on terrorism.

    &quot;The bottom line is that the report found that Guantanamo is in compliance with the Geneva conventions, which we have maintained for several years. So the report essentially validated our procedures and processes,&quot; the official said.

The Guardian, today:

    Revealed: full horror of Gitmo inmate&#039;s beatings

    Binyam Mohamed will return to Britain suffering from a huge range of injuries after being beaten by US guards right up to the point of his departure from Guantánamo Bay [on Saturday], according to the first detailed accounts of his treatment inside the camp.

    Mohamed will arrive back tomorrow in the UK, where he was a British resident between 1984 and 2002. During medical examinations last week, doctors discovered injuries and ailments resulting from apparently brutal treatment in detention.

    Mohamed was found to be suffering from bruising, organ damage, stomach complaints, malnutrition, sores to feet and hands, severe damage to ligaments as well as profound emotional and psychological problems which have been exacerbated by the refusal of Guantánamo&#039;s guards to give him counselling.

    Mohamed&#039;s British lawyer, Clive Stafford Smith, said his client had been beaten &quot;dozens&quot; of times inside the notorious US camp in Cuba with the most recent abuse occurring during recent weeks. He said: &quot;He has a list of physical ailments that cover two sheets of A4 paper. What Binyam has been through should have been left behind in the middle ages.&quot;

    [U.S. Army] Lieutenant colonel Yvonne Bradley, Mohamed&#039;s US military attorney, added: &quot;He has been severely beaten. Sometimes I don&#039;t like to think about it because my country is behind all this.&quot; . . .

For reasons that human rights groups and detainees&#039; lawyers immediately pointed out, this self-exonerating Pentagon report, from the start, was suspect in the extreme.  But a sign of how broken our discourse is and how in love with ourselves we continue to be is that, on the question of current Guantanamo conditions, the conclusions of the United States Pentagon released this week were treated not only as credible, but authoritative. If the DOD -- which has long overseen Guantanamo and continues to do so -- says that everything is great there, well, that&#039;s the end of that.  What else is there to know?

Of all the defining practices and policies of the Bush administration which the Obama administration has already enthusiastically embraced -- and they&#039;re piling up so quickly, it&#039;s becoming difficult to keep track -- one of the most disturbing is the Obama administration&#039;s press management approach.  The administration is singling out particularly supportive journalists to whom they anonymously leak purely favorable pro-administration spin; giving access to others who are have a history of such sycophantic behavior that they predictably produce profiles so one-sided and glowing that even People Magazine would be embarrassed to publish it; and -- worst of all -- they are systematically hiding behind anonymity to disseminate their claims in order to evade accountability, the exact opposite of the &quot;transparency&quot; Obama continuously promised (read David Cay Johnston&#039;s superb account of dealing with the Obama White House Press Office to see what a real journalist -- as opposed to one desperately jockeying to serve the White House in exchange for favored access status -- does when faced with baseless demands from administration officials for anonymity and off-the-record chatter).

These allegations that Binyam Mohamed was brutalized at Guantanamo in the last several weeks -- while the Obama DOD was &quot;concluding&quot; that conditions there comported with the Geneva Conventions -- are coming from highly credible sources.   The Obama administration has the obligation to make available an official in a position of real authority to speak on the record and attempt to reconcile these seemingly irreconcilable stories.  The pledge to end the brutality and secrecy of the Bush detention regime was one of the centerpieces of Obama&#039;s campaign.  One would think, on their own, they&#039;d be eager to address these allegations in a forthright and candid way.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Grow up?  Here&#8217;s what the grown-up Americans are doing.  From Glen Greenwald, at Salon:</p>
<p>The Los Angeles Times &#8212; February 20, 2009:</p>
<p>    The Pentagon has concluded that the military detention center at Guantanamo Bay meets the standards for humane treatment of detainees established in the Geneva Convention accords. . . .</p>
<p>    The administration official said the report&#8217;s primary conclusions supported the Department of Defense&#8217;s long-standing contention that Guantanamo was in compliance with the global convention, including Article 3, which requires the humane treatment of prisoners taken in unconventional armed conflicts, such as the war on terrorism.</p>
<p>    &#8220;The bottom line is that the report found that Guantanamo is in compliance with the Geneva conventions, which we have maintained for several years. So the report essentially validated our procedures and processes,&#8221; the official said.</p>
<p>The Guardian, today:</p>
<p>    Revealed: full horror of Gitmo inmate&#8217;s beatings</p>
<p>    Binyam Mohamed will return to Britain suffering from a huge range of injuries after being beaten by US guards right up to the point of his departure from Guantánamo Bay [on Saturday], according to the first detailed accounts of his treatment inside the camp.</p>
<p>    Mohamed will arrive back tomorrow in the UK, where he was a British resident between 1984 and 2002. During medical examinations last week, doctors discovered injuries and ailments resulting from apparently brutal treatment in detention.</p>
<p>    Mohamed was found to be suffering from bruising, organ damage, stomach complaints, malnutrition, sores to feet and hands, severe damage to ligaments as well as profound emotional and psychological problems which have been exacerbated by the refusal of Guantánamo&#8217;s guards to give him counselling.</p>
<p>    Mohamed&#8217;s British lawyer, Clive Stafford Smith, said his client had been beaten &#8220;dozens&#8221; of times inside the notorious US camp in Cuba with the most recent abuse occurring during recent weeks. He said: &#8220;He has a list of physical ailments that cover two sheets of A4 paper. What Binyam has been through should have been left behind in the middle ages.&#8221;</p>
<p>    [U.S. Army] Lieutenant colonel Yvonne Bradley, Mohamed&#8217;s US military attorney, added: &#8220;He has been severely beaten. Sometimes I don&#8217;t like to think about it because my country is behind all this.&#8221; . . .</p>
<p>For reasons that human rights groups and detainees&#8217; lawyers immediately pointed out, this self-exonerating Pentagon report, from the start, was suspect in the extreme.  But a sign of how broken our discourse is and how in love with ourselves we continue to be is that, on the question of current Guantanamo conditions, the conclusions of the United States Pentagon released this week were treated not only as credible, but authoritative. If the DOD &#8212; which has long overseen Guantanamo and continues to do so &#8212; says that everything is great there, well, that&#8217;s the end of that.  What else is there to know?</p>
<p>Of all the defining practices and policies of the Bush administration which the Obama administration has already enthusiastically embraced &#8212; and they&#8217;re piling up so quickly, it&#8217;s becoming difficult to keep track &#8212; one of the most disturbing is the Obama administration&#8217;s press management approach.  The administration is singling out particularly supportive journalists to whom they anonymously leak purely favorable pro-administration spin; giving access to others who are have a history of such sycophantic behavior that they predictably produce profiles so one-sided and glowing that even People Magazine would be embarrassed to publish it; and &#8212; worst of all &#8212; they are systematically hiding behind anonymity to disseminate their claims in order to evade accountability, the exact opposite of the &#8220;transparency&#8221; Obama continuously promised (read David Cay Johnston&#8217;s superb account of dealing with the Obama White House Press Office to see what a real journalist &#8212; as opposed to one desperately jockeying to serve the White House in exchange for favored access status &#8212; does when faced with baseless demands from administration officials for anonymity and off-the-record chatter).</p>
<p>These allegations that Binyam Mohamed was brutalized at Guantanamo in the last several weeks &#8212; while the Obama DOD was &#8220;concluding&#8221; that conditions there comported with the Geneva Conventions &#8212; are coming from highly credible sources.   The Obama administration has the obligation to make available an official in a position of real authority to speak on the record and attempt to reconcile these seemingly irreconcilable stories.  The pledge to end the brutality and secrecy of the Bush detention regime was one of the centerpieces of Obama&#8217;s campaign.  One would think, on their own, they&#8217;d be eager to address these allegations in a forthright and candid way.</p>
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