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		<title>By: Science Chicago Blog&#8217;s Top 25 &#171; Science Chicago &#8211; LIFE&#8217;S A LAB!</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2009/03/24/science-and-journalism-intersecting/#comment-50809</link>
		<dc:creator>Science Chicago Blog&#8217;s Top 25 &#171; Science Chicago &#8211; LIFE&#8217;S A LAB!</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Sep 2009 13:48:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] to go for some of the best science reporting. No longer just accessories to newspaper journalists, science bloggers are stepping into the mainstream in a big [...] </description>
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		<title>By: Low Math, Meekly Interacting</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2009/03/24/science-and-journalism-intersecting/#comment-50808</link>
		<dc:creator>Low Math, Meekly Interacting</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Mar 2009 16:26:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s almost creepy how these things come up.

I went to Nude Sensationalist to find a typical bad article, and look what they&#039;ve got:

http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg20127011.300-media-distortion-damages-both-science-and-journalism.html

Now, I&#039;m not blaming all science journalists by any means, and I like a few very, very much.  But, again, the overall state of the field strikes me as rather pathetic.  Not only do I not worry about losing it all that much, I don&#039;t worry about losing most newspapers either.  Evolution, baby.  I say, start a science journalism co-op or something, go indie.  Charge a subscription fee, and see where it gets you.  I guarantee if it&#039;s good I&#039;ll pay up and read.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s almost creepy how these things come up.</p>
<p>I went to Nude Sensationalist to find a typical bad article, and look what they&#8217;ve got:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg20127011.300-media-distortion-damages-both-science-and-journalism.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg20127011.300-media-distortion-damages-both-science-and-journalism.html</a></p>
<p>Now, I&#8217;m not blaming all science journalists by any means, and I like a few very, very much.  But, again, the overall state of the field strikes me as rather pathetic.  Not only do I not worry about losing it all that much, I don&#8217;t worry about losing most newspapers either.  Evolution, baby.  I say, start a science journalism co-op or something, go indie.  Charge a subscription fee, and see where it gets you.  I guarantee if it&#8217;s good I&#8217;ll pay up and read.</p>
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		<title>By: Valerie Jamieson</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2009/03/24/science-and-journalism-intersecting/#comment-50807</link>
		<dc:creator>Valerie Jamieson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Mar 2009 14:53:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You know, I&#039;d like to see people show science journalists some love for a change. We root out stories you might never otherwise hear of, report the facts, and tell great stories about science and scientists. We bring science to a wide audience, helped along the way by people digging and recommending articles to others. And there are really skilled journalists out there who make all that look very easy. Trust me, it isn&#039;t. Newspaper and magazine business models rely largely on advertising - so do websites like this one. Advertising revenues are dropping and there&#039;s a real danger that there won&#039;t be any science in newspapers or science magazines in the future. How do you fancy a world where you can only get your fix of science from the blogosphere? I, for one, wouldn&#039;t. While there are great science blogs out there that are updated regularly and provide wonderful insight into science, there&#039;s a lot of rubbish out there too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You know, I&#8217;d like to see people show science journalists some love for a change. We root out stories you might never otherwise hear of, report the facts, and tell great stories about science and scientists. We bring science to a wide audience, helped along the way by people digging and recommending articles to others. And there are really skilled journalists out there who make all that look very easy. Trust me, it isn&#8217;t. Newspaper and magazine business models rely largely on advertising &#8211; so do websites like this one. Advertising revenues are dropping and there&#8217;s a real danger that there won&#8217;t be any science in newspapers or science magazines in the future. How do you fancy a world where you can only get your fix of science from the blogosphere? I, for one, wouldn&#8217;t. While there are great science blogs out there that are updated regularly and provide wonderful insight into science, there&#8217;s a lot of rubbish out there too.</p>
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		<title>By: eddie</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2009/03/24/science-and-journalism-intersecting/#comment-50806</link>
		<dc:creator>eddie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Mar 2009 07:34:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I keep hearing variants on &quot;blogging will never replace journalism&quot;.  Mainly from bloggers who have put the proverbial lampshade on their heads and are pointing; &quot;they went thataway&quot;.

If what you mean by the phrase is that readers are reading blogs rather than papers then, dude, it already has for many and the numbers are stacking up.  If you mean something other than that, then why?  It&#039;s been said that professional journalists have all these things like neutrality, a budget, etc but there&#039;s little evidence that readers are getting any value for this.

If journalists were doing all the things they claim to be good for, would we have had WMDs, anthrax, you name it where they pushed a lie for some corporate interest or other?  Michael Brooks upthread was moaning about an imagined conflict of interest and Sean pointed out that there wasn&#039;t one.  Even if there were, what readers want is the writer to have a real interest in the subject, just as we have.  Instead, what we get is what Low Math... said:  Extremely low standards and butchery of the facts.

For professional journalists, the only real defence of their behaviors seems to be that they are writing for a wider audience, that they are controlled by editors, proprietors and such.  The fact that the interests of bloggers and their readers (all four of them) are aligned is a good thing.  The fact that bloggers are not beholden to others is a good thing.  The fact that bloggers know their subject as their day job is a good thing.  Tell me again what journalists are good for.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I keep hearing variants on &#8220;blogging will never replace journalism&#8221;.  Mainly from bloggers who have put the proverbial lampshade on their heads and are pointing; &#8220;they went thataway&#8221;.</p>
<p>If what you mean by the phrase is that readers are reading blogs rather than papers then, dude, it already has for many and the numbers are stacking up.  If you mean something other than that, then why?  It&#8217;s been said that professional journalists have all these things like neutrality, a budget, etc but there&#8217;s little evidence that readers are getting any value for this.</p>
<p>If journalists were doing all the things they claim to be good for, would we have had WMDs, anthrax, you name it where they pushed a lie for some corporate interest or other?  Michael Brooks upthread was moaning about an imagined conflict of interest and Sean pointed out that there wasn&#8217;t one.  Even if there were, what readers want is the writer to have a real interest in the subject, just as we have.  Instead, what we get is what Low Math&#8230; said:  Extremely low standards and butchery of the facts.</p>
<p>For professional journalists, the only real defence of their behaviors seems to be that they are writing for a wider audience, that they are controlled by editors, proprietors and such.  The fact that the interests of bloggers and their readers (all four of them) are aligned is a good thing.  The fact that bloggers are not beholden to others is a good thing.  The fact that bloggers know their subject as their day job is a good thing.  Tell me again what journalists are good for.</p>
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		<title>By: Eric R. Olson</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2009/03/24/science-and-journalism-intersecting/#comment-50805</link>
		<dc:creator>Eric R. Olson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Mar 2009 02:57:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think it&#039;s great to have  scientists  interacting with the public directly via blogs. But one thing to keep in mind is that scientists are biased toward the success of their own work.  It&#039;s the job of the science journalist--as it is for all journalists--to play the role of independent watchdog.

Playing that role isn&#039;t as glamorous or exciting as spouting off about the latest cool gadget or discovery but it&#039;s part of the larger role that journalism plays in a democracy.  And in some ways it&#039;s becoming more difficult as large institutions go direct via the web and cut out the &quot;middleman,&quot; as it were.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think it&#8217;s great to have  scientists  interacting with the public directly via blogs. But one thing to keep in mind is that scientists are biased toward the success of their own work.  It&#8217;s the job of the science journalist&#8211;as it is for all journalists&#8211;to play the role of independent watchdog.</p>
<p>Playing that role isn&#8217;t as glamorous or exciting as spouting off about the latest cool gadget or discovery but it&#8217;s part of the larger role that journalism plays in a democracy.  And in some ways it&#8217;s becoming more difficult as large institutions go direct via the web and cut out the &#8220;middleman,&#8221; as it were.</p>
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		<title>By: Yvette</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2009/03/24/science-and-journalism-intersecting/#comment-50804</link>
		<dc:creator>Yvette</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Mar 2009 18:03:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was dipping my toe into the science journalism pool about a year ago, and ended up putting that on hold.  The reason is because even incredibly experienced ones I talked to seemed to have problems getting and holding jobs, and any field where the guy who writes 50 cover articles for Time has issues is not one I need to be getting into!  So  for now, I&#039;m going to start a Physics PhD instead.

Interestingly enough though, I have an older sister off in biology grad school who is now intent on doing science journalism once she finishes.  Runs in the family I suppose? :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was dipping my toe into the science journalism pool about a year ago, and ended up putting that on hold.  The reason is because even incredibly experienced ones I talked to seemed to have problems getting and holding jobs, and any field where the guy who writes 50 cover articles for Time has issues is not one I need to be getting into!  So  for now, I&#8217;m going to start a Physics PhD instead.</p>
<p>Interestingly enough though, I have an older sister off in biology grad school who is now intent on doing science journalism once she finishes.  Runs in the family I suppose? <img src='http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Low Math, Meekly Interacting</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2009/03/24/science-and-journalism-intersecting/#comment-50803</link>
		<dc:creator>Low Math, Meekly Interacting</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Mar 2009 16:10:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I do agree that, ideally, blogging would be no substitute for science journalism.  The problem is, in my opinion, the overall state of science journalism is so poor, I&#039;m not sure if we&#039;d be any worse off for losing it.  In fact, I&#039;ve recently witnessed the dismay of some scientist-bloggers over the butchery their own efforts with journalists were subjected to.  While getting it from the horse&#039;s mouth may at times be biased, and often well over my head, I can at least try to understand what I can, take a wide sampling to temper individual perspectives, and not worry that the level of discourse has been so dumbed-down as to be simply inaccurate, and hence less valuable than complete ignorance.

I&#039;m not sure who or what is responsible for this.  It&#039;s easy to pick on the likes of newspapers, or the journalists, but I suspect they&#039;re stuck giving the public what they want.  Probably, if some-or-other paper made an effort to improve, it would be rewarded by their readership fleeing to other, less demanding sources.

In sum, the enemy is us, and science journalism is probably helpless to change the market forces our collective demand generates.  Meanwhile, some individuals at least now have somewhere else to go, and that&#039;s a good thing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I do agree that, ideally, blogging would be no substitute for science journalism.  The problem is, in my opinion, the overall state of science journalism is so poor, I&#8217;m not sure if we&#8217;d be any worse off for losing it.  In fact, I&#8217;ve recently witnessed the dismay of some scientist-bloggers over the butchery their own efforts with journalists were subjected to.  While getting it from the horse&#8217;s mouth may at times be biased, and often well over my head, I can at least try to understand what I can, take a wide sampling to temper individual perspectives, and not worry that the level of discourse has been so dumbed-down as to be simply inaccurate, and hence less valuable than complete ignorance.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not sure who or what is responsible for this.  It&#8217;s easy to pick on the likes of newspapers, or the journalists, but I suspect they&#8217;re stuck giving the public what they want.  Probably, if some-or-other paper made an effort to improve, it would be rewarded by their readership fleeing to other, less demanding sources.</p>
<p>In sum, the enemy is us, and science journalism is probably helpless to change the market forces our collective demand generates.  Meanwhile, some individuals at least now have somewhere else to go, and that&#8217;s a good thing.</p>
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		<title>By: Science Writers and Science Bloggers: Is it &#8220;War,&#8221; or is it &#8220;Marriage&#8221;? &#124; The Intersection &#124; Discover Magazine</title>
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		<dc:creator>Science Writers and Science Bloggers: Is it &#8220;War,&#8221; or is it &#8220;Marriage&#8221;? &#124; The Intersection &#124; Discover Magazine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Mar 2009 15:58:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] over at Cosmic Variance, I left a comment promising I&#8217;d have more to say on the whole question of science [...] </description>
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		<title>By: 25 March 2009: Boxing, Obama&#8217;s Press Conference, Krugman&#8217;s analysis and cool rants &#171; blueollie</title>
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		<dc:creator>25 March 2009: Boxing, Obama&#8217;s Press Conference, Krugman&#8217;s analysis and cool rants &#171; blueollie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Mar 2009 14:13:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Science journalism It is clear that the media is going through a rough time, and it is also clear that the mainstream media often gets the science wrong and that one can often just go to the blogs of the scientists themselves. A scientist weighs in on the current state (writing at Cosmic Variance).  [...] </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Science journalism It is clear that the media is going through a rough time, and it is also clear that the mainstream media often gets the science wrong and that one can often just go to the blogs of the scientists themselves. A scientist weighs in on the current state (writing at Cosmic Variance).  [...] </p>
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		<title>By: slc</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2009/03/24/science-and-journalism-intersecting/#comment-50800</link>
		<dc:creator>slc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Mar 2009 22:10:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As an aspiring science writer and Cosmic Variance fan, I enjoyed this post and look forward to the new blog.  I think there is a definite need for better science communication whether it is through blogging, journalism, books, TV, or whatever.  You’re right, writers and scientists need to find new ways to work together.  Thanks, Sean!  I always enjoy your posts.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As an aspiring science writer and Cosmic Variance fan, I enjoyed this post and look forward to the new blog.  I think there is a definite need for better science communication whether it is through blogging, journalism, books, TV, or whatever.  You’re right, writers and scientists need to find new ways to work together.  Thanks, Sean!  I always enjoy your posts.</p>
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