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		<title>By: tehdude</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2009/04/28/obama-on-science/comment-page-1/#comment-74680</link>
		<dc:creator>tehdude</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 May 2009 16:39:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nuclear physics denial, anyone?  Is it because it has the word &quot;nuclear&quot; in it? So its the kind of physics that liberals don&#039;t believe in?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nuclear physics denial, anyone?  Is it because it has the word &#8220;nuclear&#8221; in it? So its the kind of physics that liberals don&#8217;t believe in?</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2009/04/28/obama-on-science/comment-page-1/#comment-74490</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 May 2009 21:42:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Savage Minds Around the Web &#124; Savage Minds</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2009/04/28/obama-on-science/comment-page-1/#comment-73941</link>
		<dc:creator>Savage Minds Around the Web &#124; Savage Minds</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 May 2009 02:14:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] New Hope:  Barack Obama&#8217;s address to the National Academy of Sciences have left the bloggers at Discover Magazine&#8217;s Cosmic Variance speechless. You can see the president&#8217;s speech on the Academy&#8217;s [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] New Hope:  Barack Obama&#8217;s address to the National Academy of Sciences have left the bloggers at Discover Magazine&#8217;s Cosmic Variance speechless. You can see the president&#8217;s speech on the Academy&#8217;s [...]</p>
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		<title>By: ree ree</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2009/04/28/obama-on-science/comment-page-1/#comment-73576</link>
		<dc:creator>ree ree</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Apr 2009 19:22:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh Boy!  I can&#039;t wait until we start making new human life in the form of human embryos and then killing them so that we can save ourselves from disease!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh Boy!  I can&#8217;t wait until we start making new human life in the form of human embryos and then killing them so that we can save ourselves from disease!</p>
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		<title>By: 30 April 2009 (am) &#171; blueollie</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2009/04/28/obama-on-science/comment-page-1/#comment-73546</link>
		<dc:creator>30 April 2009 (am) &#171; blueollie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Apr 2009 14:45:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Many scientists are thrilled that President Obama is taking science and science funding seriously: (example one) (example two) [...]</description>
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		<title>By: John Phillips, FCD</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2009/04/28/obama-on-science/comment-page-1/#comment-73451</link>
		<dc:creator>John Phillips, FCD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Apr 2009 21:39:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is simply a pleasure to listen to an articulate major politician who appears to truly &#039;get it&#039; with regards to the real value of science, both pure and applied, to society, beyond just the possible future economic benefits.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is simply a pleasure to listen to an articulate major politician who appears to truly &#8216;get it&#8217; with regards to the real value of science, both pure and applied, to society, beyond just the possible future economic benefits.</p>
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		<title>By: locke</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2009/04/28/obama-on-science/comment-page-1/#comment-73428</link>
		<dc:creator>locke</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Apr 2009 18:34:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Disgruntled grad student needs to look for a new career.  He&#039;s also obviously never met or read anything by any of the small, but very talented, cadre of Vatican astronomers.  You owe them all an apology.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Disgruntled grad student needs to look for a new career.  He&#8217;s also obviously never met or read anything by any of the small, but very talented, cadre of Vatican astronomers.  You owe them all an apology.</p>
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		<title>By: YAY Science! &#124; In the Future....</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2009/04/28/obama-on-science/comment-page-1/#comment-73415</link>
		<dc:creator>YAY Science! &#124; In the Future....</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Apr 2009 16:37:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] is a more detailed account on Discovery  Thread Tags: Add new tag, future, Obama, Science  This entry was posted on Wednesday, April 29th, [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Fabian Ledvina</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2009/04/28/obama-on-science/comment-page-1/#comment-73400</link>
		<dc:creator>Fabian Ledvina</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Apr 2009 12:44:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I disagree with almost all of Obama&#039;s fundamental principles and the actions he has taken, but I have to applaud this. I just hope this is a first step in increasing the public&#039;s awareness of science and hopefully increasing the number of Americans who pursue a further education in the sciences.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I disagree with almost all of Obama&#8217;s fundamental principles and the actions he has taken, but I have to applaud this. I just hope this is a first step in increasing the public&#8217;s awareness of science and hopefully increasing the number of Americans who pursue a further education in the sciences.</p>
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		<title>By: Links With Your Eye Boogers at Tête-à-Tête-Tête</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2009/04/28/obama-on-science/comment-page-1/#comment-73396</link>
		<dc:creator>Links With Your Eye Boogers at Tête-à-Tête-Tête</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Apr 2009 11:56:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] I&#8217;ll join this pat on the back for Obama. [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Zen Faulkes</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2009/04/28/obama-on-science/comment-page-1/#comment-73393</link>
		<dc:creator>Zen Faulkes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Apr 2009 11:11:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Again commenting on Ted&#039;s &quot;strained narrative&quot; comment, check this chart of NSF&#039;s budget (inflation adjusted, from the looks of it): http://www.aaas.org/spp/rd/nsfauth09p.pdf

NSF&#039;s budget peaked at 2004 and has been flat, or decreased slightly, since.

Also, comparison of relative size of NSF to other agencies: http://www.aaas.org/spp/rd/totalp09.pdf

Some credit to the GW Bush administration for the COMPETES act and raising the NSF budget is indeed due, however.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Again commenting on Ted&#8217;s &#8220;strained narrative&#8221; comment, check this chart of NSF&#8217;s budget (inflation adjusted, from the looks of it): <a href="http://www.aaas.org/spp/rd/nsfauth09p.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://www.aaas.org/spp/rd/nsfauth09p.pdf</a></p>
<p>NSF&#8217;s budget peaked at 2004 and has been flat, or decreased slightly, since.</p>
<p>Also, comparison of relative size of NSF to other agencies: <a href="http://www.aaas.org/spp/rd/totalp09.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://www.aaas.org/spp/rd/totalp09.pdf</a></p>
<p>Some credit to the GW Bush administration for the COMPETES act and raising the NSF budget is indeed due, however.</p>
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		<title>By: Zen Faulkes</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2009/04/28/obama-on-science/comment-page-1/#comment-73392</link>
		<dc:creator>Zen Faulkes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Apr 2009 11:04:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ted: &quot;The narrative that we were gasping for funds is a little strained.&quot;

The NSF is only one federal funding agency, and a relatively minor one compared to, say, NIH. Plus, budget alone doesn&#039;t take into consideration how many people were applying to those programs.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ted: &#8220;The narrative that we were gasping for funds is a little strained.&#8221;</p>
<p>The NSF is only one federal funding agency, and a relatively minor one compared to, say, NIH. Plus, budget alone doesn&#8217;t take into consideration how many people were applying to those programs.</p>
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		<title>By: Cormac O' Raifeartaigh</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2009/04/28/obama-on-science/comment-page-1/#comment-73391</link>
		<dc:creator>Cormac O' Raifeartaigh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Apr 2009 11:02:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, i read the whole speech on the Physics and Physicists blog. Wow.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, i read the whole speech on the Physics and Physicists blog. Wow.</p>
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		<title>By: David - green thoughts</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2009/04/28/obama-on-science/comment-page-1/#comment-73388</link>
		<dc:creator>David - green thoughts</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Apr 2009 10:52:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is terrific news.  I certainly believe this is NOT fake money, as it aligns with President Obama&#039;s appointments and prior campaign statements.  Why would he put himself out on a limb with false budget requests if it is all a fake?

As far as what it means: for humanity to return to health on the planet requires ALL our functions as human beings to work together, without one aspect (e.g. faith) supplanting the others.  Full function of heart, intellect, faith, and energy is the way to foster a more healthy society and a more healthy planet.  I hope this is another step in that direction.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is terrific news.  I certainly believe this is NOT fake money, as it aligns with President Obama&#8217;s appointments and prior campaign statements.  Why would he put himself out on a limb with false budget requests if it is all a fake?</p>
<p>As far as what it means: for humanity to return to health on the planet requires ALL our functions as human beings to work together, without one aspect (e.g. faith) supplanting the others.  Full function of heart, intellect, faith, and energy is the way to foster a more healthy society and a more healthy planet.  I hope this is another step in that direction.</p>
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		<title>By: nobody</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2009/04/28/obama-on-science/comment-page-1/#comment-73380</link>
		<dc:creator>nobody</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Apr 2009 08:53:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wish there were more Obamas out there...</description>
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		<title>By: zyk</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2009/04/28/obama-on-science/comment-page-1/#comment-73368</link>
		<dc:creator>zyk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Apr 2009 05:51:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To Ted: There are plenty of people good at science in, and from, the US, and there would be plenty more if doing science didn&#039;t mean working 150% the hours for 2/3rds the pay.

One could do engineering or finance, or go to school for an extra 5 years to be a post-doc for another 3, before moving to god-knows-where to start another job that still pays less.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To Ted: There are plenty of people good at science in, and from, the US, and there would be plenty more if doing science didn&#8217;t mean working 150% the hours for 2/3rds the pay.</p>
<p>One could do engineering or finance, or go to school for an extra 5 years to be a post-doc for another 3, before moving to god-knows-where to start another job that still pays less.</p>
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		<title>By: Sean</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2009/04/28/obama-on-science/comment-page-1/#comment-73366</link>
		<dc:creator>Sean</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Apr 2009 04:53:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Only thing missing it seems is NASA, which hasn’t even got a chief administrator right now :(. It did get $1bn in the stimulus package, but that’s left looking rather skinny when stood next to the above.&quot;

Complaining about NASA not getting more funding is like complaining about the DoD not getting more funding.  Yes, they both do science, but it is a small portion of their mission.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Only thing missing it seems is NASA, which hasn’t even got a chief administrator right now <img src='http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_sad.gif' alt=':(' class='wp-smiley' /> . It did get $1bn in the stimulus package, but that’s left looking rather skinny when stood next to the above.&#8221;</p>
<p>Complaining about NASA not getting more funding is like complaining about the DoD not getting more funding.  Yes, they both do science, but it is a small portion of their mission.</p>
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		<title>By: Obama por la ciencia &#124; Jambitz Evolution</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2009/04/28/obama-on-science/comment-page-1/#comment-73365</link>
		<dc:creator>Obama por la ciencia &#124; Jambitz Evolution</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Apr 2009 04:37:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Discover      Publicado por Karl-Heinz Jentjens K. el 17 Apr, 2009 and filed under Ciencia. You can follow [...]</description>
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		<title>By: jerry</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2009/04/28/obama-on-science/comment-page-1/#comment-73364</link>
		<dc:creator>jerry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Apr 2009 04:36:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m a scientist myself and an avid supporter of science research. I also have a deep appreciation of how science can unlock the universe, improve our lives, and allow us to deal with emerging threats. Obama&#039;s speech was brilliant(especially his bit about Lincoln starting the NAS during chaotic times just before the civil war) However, I find statements like:

&quot;Science is what humans do&quot;

to be a bit silly. This statement would make anyone not in science feel like crap. As pointed out by the &quot;Disgruntled grad student&quot;, it really does reflect the complete disconnect of most scientists with average people. Science is what a &quot;TINY&quot; fraction of humans do. Even our cavemen ancestors who looked up in the sky and wondered what it all means, were an incredibly tiny fraction of the population. Most of humanity is more focused on relationships: family, friends, love, etc...relationships is what &quot;most&quot; humans do. Even most of science is driven by our need to impress our fellow colleagues about smart we are...i.e. even science is driven by relationships. 

Most scientists lack empathy towards people who are struggling to survive and living paycheck to paycheck. By being outraged that such people don&#039;t support particle physics research shows a complete lack of understanding that while science may be great it is the farthest thing from their minds and understandably so! 

We need more speeches like Obama and less scoffing towards &quot;average&quot; people from scientists with the &quot;science is what humans do&quot; nonsense. Such scoffing is getting really predictable and cliche so please stop it! These remarks are not directed at the author of this blog but rather to the scientific community in general.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m a scientist myself and an avid supporter of science research. I also have a deep appreciation of how science can unlock the universe, improve our lives, and allow us to deal with emerging threats. Obama&#8217;s speech was brilliant(especially his bit about Lincoln starting the NAS during chaotic times just before the civil war) However, I find statements like:</p>
<p>&#8220;Science is what humans do&#8221;</p>
<p>to be a bit silly. This statement would make anyone not in science feel like crap. As pointed out by the &#8220;Disgruntled grad student&#8221;, it really does reflect the complete disconnect of most scientists with average people. Science is what a &#8220;TINY&#8221; fraction of humans do. Even our cavemen ancestors who looked up in the sky and wondered what it all means, were an incredibly tiny fraction of the population. Most of humanity is more focused on relationships: family, friends, love, etc&#8230;relationships is what &#8220;most&#8221; humans do. Even most of science is driven by our need to impress our fellow colleagues about smart we are&#8230;i.e. even science is driven by relationships. </p>
<p>Most scientists lack empathy towards people who are struggling to survive and living paycheck to paycheck. By being outraged that such people don&#8217;t support particle physics research shows a complete lack of understanding that while science may be great it is the farthest thing from their minds and understandably so! </p>
<p>We need more speeches like Obama and less scoffing towards &#8220;average&#8221; people from scientists with the &#8220;science is what humans do&#8221; nonsense. Such scoffing is getting really predictable and cliche so please stop it! These remarks are not directed at the author of this blog but rather to the scientific community in general.</p>
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		<title>By: Low Math, Meekly Interacting</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2009/04/28/obama-on-science/comment-page-1/#comment-73361</link>
		<dc:creator>Low Math, Meekly Interacting</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Apr 2009 04:02:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It would be nice to see public discourse related to academic science focus more on the notion that paying smart people to simply ask questions and seek answers is intrinsically good for any civilization worthy of the description.

But since we&#039;re a long way from Athens, as said above, you gotta pander a little.  It&#039;s just the ugly reality.  Look at any grant application in the life sciences, and if it doesn&#039;t have something like cancer or AIDS or swine flu stuck in there somewhere you&#039;re dealing with a radical.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It would be nice to see public discourse related to academic science focus more on the notion that paying smart people to simply ask questions and seek answers is intrinsically good for any civilization worthy of the description.</p>
<p>But since we&#8217;re a long way from Athens, as said above, you gotta pander a little.  It&#8217;s just the ugly reality.  Look at any grant application in the life sciences, and if it doesn&#8217;t have something like cancer or AIDS or swine flu stuck in there somewhere you&#8217;re dealing with a radical.</p>
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