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		<title>By: wuzzy</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2009/06/05/passing-time/comment-page-1/#comment-78908</link>
		<dc:creator>wuzzy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Jun 2009 01:29:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Years ago I had a $10 Timex, self-winding, which lost about 1 second/month.  It too, was Swiss made.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Years ago I had a $10 Timex, self-winding, which lost about 1 second/month.  It too, was Swiss made.</p>
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		<title>By: serial catowner</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2009/06/05/passing-time/comment-page-1/#comment-78607</link>
		<dc:creator>serial catowner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Jun 2009 16:15:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Reminds me of the soliloquy in &lt;i&gt;Jurassic Park&lt;/i&gt; by the guy with the flea circus- how the customers would all describe the wonderful things the fleas were doing, and how did he ever train them to do that?

The point being, of course, that &lt;i&gt;there weren&#039;t actually any fleas there at all&lt;/i&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Reminds me of the soliloquy in <i>Jurassic Park</i> by the guy with the flea circus- how the customers would all describe the wonderful things the fleas were doing, and how did he ever train them to do that?</p>
<p>The point being, of course, that <i>there weren&#8217;t actually any fleas there at all</i>.</p>
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		<title>By: Yale s.Y. Landsberg</title>
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		<dc:creator>Yale s.Y. Landsberg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Jun 2009 23:21:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I add this here as I believe it refocuses attention from displays of both mechanical and quartz timepieces to the need for more holistic &quot;tymewhole&quot; displays of the whole picture of time.  As our bodies need to know the time. 
  
I said elsewhere that the Chronophage’s depiction of time being devoured seems really cool.
And then I added that, as recent medical research shows that many illnesses (including depression, obesity, insomnia, autism and Sundown Syndrome in Alzheimer’s patients, and more) are associated with poorly operating biological clocks, maybe it is we who are being devoured by time? At least “corporate standard time” — as compared with “local natural time” — i.e., “time” that is naturally defined as “time of local sunrise, local noon and local sunset”!

As modern working conditions and modern time-keeping (such as time zones, and Daily Saving Time) have more and more gotten in the way of our biological clocks knowing what they need to know to healthily regulate our circadian rhythms, perhaps it is time for us to get our bio-clocks back in sync with the flows and ebbs of actual day and night? Can’t hurt, and might help a lot. Which is why GreenTyme’s recently patented Synclecron is freely available on the Web at GTyme.org. And also why its mobile edition will soon be freely available for the browsers of iPhones, gPhones, BlackBerries, etc., via gty.me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I add this here as I believe it refocuses attention from displays of both mechanical and quartz timepieces to the need for more holistic &#8220;tymewhole&#8221; displays of the whole picture of time.  As our bodies need to know the time. </p>
<p>I said elsewhere that the Chronophage’s depiction of time being devoured seems really cool.<br />
And then I added that, as recent medical research shows that many illnesses (including depression, obesity, insomnia, autism and Sundown Syndrome in Alzheimer’s patients, and more) are associated with poorly operating biological clocks, maybe it is we who are being devoured by time? At least “corporate standard time” — as compared with “local natural time” — i.e., “time” that is naturally defined as “time of local sunrise, local noon and local sunset”!</p>
<p>As modern working conditions and modern time-keeping (such as time zones, and Daily Saving Time) have more and more gotten in the way of our biological clocks knowing what they need to know to healthily regulate our circadian rhythms, perhaps it is time for us to get our bio-clocks back in sync with the flows and ebbs of actual day and night? Can’t hurt, and might help a lot. Which is why GreenTyme’s recently patented Synclecron is freely available on the Web at GTyme.org. And also why its mobile edition will soon be freely available for the browsers of iPhones, gPhones, BlackBerries, etc., via gty.me.</p>
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		<title>By: Jo</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2009/06/05/passing-time/comment-page-1/#comment-78397</link>
		<dc:creator>Jo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Jun 2009 18:14:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@JP:  &quot;It’s like you guys are robots or something. Completely unemotional about everything and believe that everything can be and should be reduced to numeric rationality.&quot;

Come again?  Hang out with many New Agers?  I&#039;ve heard this bogus accusation before.  Usually means you missed the point.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@JP:  &#8220;It’s like you guys are robots or something. Completely unemotional about everything and believe that everything can be and should be reduced to numeric rationality.&#8221;</p>
<p>Come again?  Hang out with many New Agers?  I&#8217;ve heard this bogus accusation before.  Usually means you missed the point.</p>
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		<title>By: Doug K</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2009/06/05/passing-time/comment-page-1/#comment-78380</link>
		<dc:creator>Doug K</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Jun 2009 16:00:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am currently wearing a large heavy quartz-watch imitation of the fashionista mechanical watches, for no better reason than that it amuses me. For those of us who don&#039;t have cell phones and/or occasionally wander into mountains or canyons where all signals die, a wristwatch is still useful. Also, for swimmers, runners, randonneurs and their ilk, carrying a cellphone is irksome or impossible. A quartz digital watch is perfect for us. 

I have an old automatic watch, a Buren, which at the time (1950s) was the thinnest automatic watch made. It&#039;s worth about nothing, although it runs fine and keeps time to about 2-3 minutes a week. When all the watch batteries die, it&#039;s still going. 

If the cost of mechanical watches were a reflection of admiration for their engineering, I&#039;d expect these older watches to be worth more.. so I agree, it&#039;s mostly the ineffable wonder of branding that sells. Those watches are accessories, not timepieces: signifiers, as Kaleberg says.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am currently wearing a large heavy quartz-watch imitation of the fashionista mechanical watches, for no better reason than that it amuses me. For those of us who don&#8217;t have cell phones and/or occasionally wander into mountains or canyons where all signals die, a wristwatch is still useful. Also, for swimmers, runners, randonneurs and their ilk, carrying a cellphone is irksome or impossible. A quartz digital watch is perfect for us. </p>
<p>I have an old automatic watch, a Buren, which at the time (1950s) was the thinnest automatic watch made. It&#8217;s worth about nothing, although it runs fine and keeps time to about 2-3 minutes a week. When all the watch batteries die, it&#8217;s still going. </p>
<p>If the cost of mechanical watches were a reflection of admiration for their engineering, I&#8217;d expect these older watches to be worth more.. so I agree, it&#8217;s mostly the ineffable wonder of branding that sells. Those watches are accessories, not timepieces: signifiers, as Kaleberg says.</p>
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		<title>By: Spiv</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2009/06/05/passing-time/comment-page-1/#comment-78373</link>
		<dc:creator>Spiv</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Jun 2009 15:16:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fashion? Wait, Fasion? That&#039;s what interesting watches are about? I don&#039;t wear a watch . I, you know, own a cell phone that plugs in to a network that plugs in to some atomic clock somewhere. That same cell phone handles all my other stuff like alarms, messages, and telephone calls. I do own a few watches though (tossed in a drawer where I can admire them whenever I please) 

Getting by day to day &quot;on time&quot; doesn&#039;t take accuracy. Mechanical watches are interesting to look at, and very interesting to build. It&#039;s art.

I do have something against a quarts watch: You&#039;re probably already carrying around at least one other device that serves its purpose.  You&#039;re also probably in view of at least one more time piece (in fact if you&#039;re reading this, you certainly are).  A wristwatch no longer serves a purpose. What&#039;s left is a testament to precision machining that is perfectly fine to admire.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fashion? Wait, Fasion? That&#8217;s what interesting watches are about? I don&#8217;t wear a watch . I, you know, own a cell phone that plugs in to a network that plugs in to some atomic clock somewhere. That same cell phone handles all my other stuff like alarms, messages, and telephone calls. I do own a few watches though (tossed in a drawer where I can admire them whenever I please) </p>
<p>Getting by day to day &#8220;on time&#8221; doesn&#8217;t take accuracy. Mechanical watches are interesting to look at, and very interesting to build. It&#8217;s art.</p>
<p>I do have something against a quarts watch: You&#8217;re probably already carrying around at least one other device that serves its purpose.  You&#8217;re also probably in view of at least one more time piece (in fact if you&#8217;re reading this, you certainly are).  A wristwatch no longer serves a purpose. What&#8217;s left is a testament to precision machining that is perfectly fine to admire.</p>
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		<title>By: Neal J. King</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2009/06/05/passing-time/comment-page-1/#comment-78369</link>
		<dc:creator>Neal J. King</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Jun 2009 15:03:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Anne (23),

I understand what you&#039;re saying: The mechanical solution appeals to you because it has to be done right, whereas the quartz solution can be made to work almost any which way.

But isn&#039;t it the mark of true sophistication and elegance in a solution that it is robust to variations and specific values? An analogy: I might be able to prove a particular result using either a complex calculation (in which I have to get every step right) or a simple symmetry argument. Which is more elegant?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anne (23),</p>
<p>I understand what you&#8217;re saying: The mechanical solution appeals to you because it has to be done right, whereas the quartz solution can be made to work almost any which way.</p>
<p>But isn&#8217;t it the mark of true sophistication and elegance in a solution that it is robust to variations and specific values? An analogy: I might be able to prove a particular result using either a complex calculation (in which I have to get every step right) or a simple symmetry argument. Which is more elegant?</p>
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		<title>By: Anne</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2009/06/05/passing-time/comment-page-1/#comment-78341</link>
		<dc:creator>Anne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Jun 2009 06:38:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jason A.: You could argue that the reason I think mechanical watches is arbitrary. Maybe it is. But I don&#039;t think so: I think there&#039;s a notion of cleverness that I&#039;m trying (and apparently failing) to describe here that has much broader applicability. In a way it&#039;s like &quot;elegance&quot; in mathematical proofs. Some proofs are elegant, others are not, in spite of being just as valid. 

I think in the case of watches what I admire is that mechanical watches manage to solve a difficult problem - making movement exactly repeatable and periodic - under very challenging constraints. Quartz watches, well, it&#039;s like applying a sledgehammer to the problem. *I* could design a quartz clock, and I don&#039;t really know what I&#039;m doing. I could be sloppy about it - so the battery voltage isn&#039;t quite right, so the resistors are a little off, so what, I just fiddle one pot and it keeps great time. Modern electronics provides such powerful tools, you can churn out zillions of cheap watches. But try to do the same thing with, essentially, pre 20th-century techniques, and it becomes extremely difficult. Solving hard problems is more impressive than solving easy problems. 

A mechanical watch is almost the opposite of a Rube Goldberg machine: a Rube Goldberg machine does a simple task using the most complicated method available. A mechanical watch must be as simple as the task and the constraint (no electronics) allows or it just won&#039;t work. And a mechanical watch that doesn&#039;t work - whose hands don&#039;t move - isn&#039;t a solution to the problem at all.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jason A.: You could argue that the reason I think mechanical watches is arbitrary. Maybe it is. But I don&#8217;t think so: I think there&#8217;s a notion of cleverness that I&#8217;m trying (and apparently failing) to describe here that has much broader applicability. In a way it&#8217;s like &#8220;elegance&#8221; in mathematical proofs. Some proofs are elegant, others are not, in spite of being just as valid. </p>
<p>I think in the case of watches what I admire is that mechanical watches manage to solve a difficult problem &#8211; making movement exactly repeatable and periodic &#8211; under very challenging constraints. Quartz watches, well, it&#8217;s like applying a sledgehammer to the problem. *I* could design a quartz clock, and I don&#8217;t really know what I&#8217;m doing. I could be sloppy about it &#8211; so the battery voltage isn&#8217;t quite right, so the resistors are a little off, so what, I just fiddle one pot and it keeps great time. Modern electronics provides such powerful tools, you can churn out zillions of cheap watches. But try to do the same thing with, essentially, pre 20th-century techniques, and it becomes extremely difficult. Solving hard problems is more impressive than solving easy problems. </p>
<p>A mechanical watch is almost the opposite of a Rube Goldberg machine: a Rube Goldberg machine does a simple task using the most complicated method available. A mechanical watch must be as simple as the task and the constraint (no electronics) allows or it just won&#8217;t work. And a mechanical watch that doesn&#8217;t work &#8211; whose hands don&#8217;t move &#8211; isn&#8217;t a solution to the problem at all.</p>
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		<title>By: Devouring time &#124; Cosmic Variance &#124; Discover Magazine</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2009/06/05/passing-time/comment-page-1/#comment-78330</link>
		<dc:creator>Devouring time &#124; Cosmic Variance &#124; Discover Magazine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Jun 2009 02:46:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] previous post on watches seems to have been misconstrued as an attack on all things mechanical. So, to establish my street [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] previous post on watches seems to have been misconstrued as an attack on all things mechanical. So, to establish my street [...]</p>
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		<title>By: greg</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2009/06/05/passing-time/comment-page-1/#comment-78315</link>
		<dc:creator>greg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Jun 2009 01:24:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rube Goldberg??   No - more like an elegant mechanical engineering solution to the problem of compact timekeeping.  Must everything be merely utilitarian? I have nothing against quartz timepieces. Some of them are pretty cool. I own two.  But if you can&#039;t understand the attraction to a precision machine crafted to very tight tolerances that performs the timekeeping function quite well (do you really need quartz accuracy?), I don&#039;t know what to say.  A good design is timeless (no pun intended).  A DC-3 is a lot slower than a Boeing 747.  But it&#039;s a beautiful design. You would think readers of a physics blog would resonate with a mechanical device that elegantly produces simple harmonic motion! Channel your inner Christian Huygens!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rube Goldberg??   No &#8211; more like an elegant mechanical engineering solution to the problem of compact timekeeping.  Must everything be merely utilitarian? I have nothing against quartz timepieces. Some of them are pretty cool. I own two.  But if you can&#8217;t understand the attraction to a precision machine crafted to very tight tolerances that performs the timekeeping function quite well (do you really need quartz accuracy?), I don&#8217;t know what to say.  A good design is timeless (no pun intended).  A DC-3 is a lot slower than a Boeing 747.  But it&#8217;s a beautiful design. You would think readers of a physics blog would resonate with a mechanical device that elegantly produces simple harmonic motion! Channel your inner Christian Huygens!</p>
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		<title>By: Jason A.</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2009/06/05/passing-time/comment-page-1/#comment-78230</link>
		<dc:creator>Jason A.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Jun 2009 22:55:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Actually, the way quartz watches keep time is really rather dull. They have one precisely-made component, a piezoelectric crystal that resonates at a very specific frequency.
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Mechanical watches, on the other hand, more or less require an extremely fine balancing of spring tension, very precise gears, gemstone bearings (to minimize wear)… to work at all they need to be beautifully-crafted.&quot;

It could be argued that your whole explanation is based on the branding of the &#039;coolness&#039; of mechanical watches. You could just as easily talk about the elegance of quartz watches in their simplicity and efficiency of design as opposed to the Rube-Goldberg device that is the mechanical watch.
Not that I care either way, I don&#039;t wear watches for the same reason as CH, just pointing out that your standards of what makes a good watch (or good machine) are pretty arbitrary - you (and others here) seem to be saying a complex machine is good simply due to the fact that it&#039;s complex beyond need. Which I think was the original point of this post: if people are judging watches by some standard other than their ability to keep time, why is that? And would those people be just as happy with their watch if it was purely a fashion piece where the hands didn&#039;t move at all, and why not?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Actually, the way quartz watches keep time is really rather dull. They have one precisely-made component, a piezoelectric crystal that resonates at a very specific frequency.<br />
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Mechanical watches, on the other hand, more or less require an extremely fine balancing of spring tension, very precise gears, gemstone bearings (to minimize wear)… to work at all they need to be beautifully-crafted.&#8221;</p>
<p>It could be argued that your whole explanation is based on the branding of the &#8216;coolness&#8217; of mechanical watches. You could just as easily talk about the elegance of quartz watches in their simplicity and efficiency of design as opposed to the Rube-Goldberg device that is the mechanical watch.<br />
Not that I care either way, I don&#8217;t wear watches for the same reason as CH, just pointing out that your standards of what makes a good watch (or good machine) are pretty arbitrary &#8211; you (and others here) seem to be saying a complex machine is good simply due to the fact that it&#8217;s complex beyond need. Which I think was the original point of this post: if people are judging watches by some standard other than their ability to keep time, why is that? And would those people be just as happy with their watch if it was purely a fashion piece where the hands didn&#8217;t move at all, and why not?</p>
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		<title>By: greg</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2009/06/05/passing-time/comment-page-1/#comment-78207</link>
		<dc:creator>greg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Jun 2009 16:36:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I love the Breitling Navitimer - it is exquisite both inside and out - but I&#039;m not going to buy one unless I win the lottery.  I went with this wonderful option instead:


http://www.emeraldsequoia.com/h/index.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I love the Breitling Navitimer &#8211; it is exquisite both inside and out &#8211; but I&#8217;m not going to buy one unless I win the lottery.  I went with this wonderful option instead:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.emeraldsequoia.com/h/index.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.emeraldsequoia.com/h/index.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Anne</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2009/06/05/passing-time/comment-page-1/#comment-78171</link>
		<dc:creator>Anne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Jun 2009 07:26:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>daniel: Yes, that was clear. But really, watches don&#039;t seem to be any worse than other status items - expensive cars, fancy chocolates, and the like. In fact, since watches are wearable, a more apropos comparison is maybe the fashion world, where the marketing is almost completely divorced from the items themselves: an expensive fashionable outfit is probably just as shoddily made as and more uncomfortable than a cheap outfit from a big box store. You could even argue that a watch is one of the few items of jewelry that men of the relevant class wear. From that point of view, it&#039;s not so different from elaborate diamond necklaces - whose value is almost all created by marketing and artificial shortages. 

miller: Actually, the way quartz watches keep time is really rather dull. They have one precisely-made component, a piezoelectric crystal that resonates at a very specific frequency. Electrical signals are fed into it to get it moving, and a voltage oscillating at that frequency is read out. A chip counts the peaks, and when one second worth has been accumulated, it moves the second hand. There is certainly cleverness that went into designing the crystal and the chips, but it&#039;s a cleverness that was invented once and applied in every practically every sort of electronic gadget. Mechanical watches, on the other hand, more or less require an extremely fine balancing of spring tension, very precise gears, gemstone bearings (to minimize wear)... to work at all they need to be beautifully-crafted. (Clearly there&#039;s no need for them to work hard selling me on mechanical watches. Shame they&#039;re out of my price range.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>daniel: Yes, that was clear. But really, watches don&#8217;t seem to be any worse than other status items &#8211; expensive cars, fancy chocolates, and the like. In fact, since watches are wearable, a more apropos comparison is maybe the fashion world, where the marketing is almost completely divorced from the items themselves: an expensive fashionable outfit is probably just as shoddily made as and more uncomfortable than a cheap outfit from a big box store. You could even argue that a watch is one of the few items of jewelry that men of the relevant class wear. From that point of view, it&#8217;s not so different from elaborate diamond necklaces &#8211; whose value is almost all created by marketing and artificial shortages. </p>
<p>miller: Actually, the way quartz watches keep time is really rather dull. They have one precisely-made component, a piezoelectric crystal that resonates at a very specific frequency. Electrical signals are fed into it to get it moving, and a voltage oscillating at that frequency is read out. A chip counts the peaks, and when one second worth has been accumulated, it moves the second hand. There is certainly cleverness that went into designing the crystal and the chips, but it&#8217;s a cleverness that was invented once and applied in every practically every sort of electronic gadget. Mechanical watches, on the other hand, more or less require an extremely fine balancing of spring tension, very precise gears, gemstone bearings (to minimize wear)&#8230; to work at all they need to be beautifully-crafted. (Clearly there&#8217;s no need for them to work hard selling me on mechanical watches. Shame they&#8217;re out of my price range.)</p>
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		<title>By: Paul Ricker</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paul Ricker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Jun 2009 06:50:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If I had a spare $600, I know exactly which watch I would buy -- and it would have everything to do with its beauty and very little to do with its practical use:  the Astrodea watch (http://www.astrodea.jp/).  You don&#039;t see ads for Astrodeas in the Aspen, Colorado airport though.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If I had a spare $600, I know exactly which watch I would buy &#8212; and it would have everything to do with its beauty and very little to do with its practical use:  the Astrodea watch (<a href="http://www.astrodea.jp/" rel="nofollow">http://www.astrodea.jp/</a>).  You don&#8217;t see ads for Astrodeas in the Aspen, Colorado airport though.</p>
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		<title>By: daniel</title>
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		<dc:creator>daniel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Jun 2009 20:07:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am not trying to say that there is nothing beautiful or remarkable about a mechanical watch. DancingBear has it right: It is the marketing aspect that I find incomprehensible. When most people pay thousands (or, in some cases, hundreds of thousands) of dollars for these timepieces, they aren&#039;t doing it for the remarkably intricate mechanism hidden inside (which they are probably only dimly aware of). They&#039;re doing it because of all the ads they&#039;ve seen. Because of the branding. Because on the front of the watch it says Rolex or Breitling or TAG Heuer. I imagine the price of the average mechanical watch is almost entirely due to marketing costs (modulo those encrusted with diamonds, etc.).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am not trying to say that there is nothing beautiful or remarkable about a mechanical watch. DancingBear has it right: It is the marketing aspect that I find incomprehensible. When most people pay thousands (or, in some cases, hundreds of thousands) of dollars for these timepieces, they aren&#8217;t doing it for the remarkably intricate mechanism hidden inside (which they are probably only dimly aware of). They&#8217;re doing it because of all the ads they&#8217;ve seen. Because of the branding. Because on the front of the watch it says Rolex or Breitling or TAG Heuer. I imagine the price of the average mechanical watch is almost entirely due to marketing costs (modulo those encrusted with diamonds, etc.).</p>
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		<title>By: Kaleberg</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kaleberg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Jun 2009 18:21:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Now that watches no longer have to keep time, expect to see them used more and more as signifiers. In magazines and the fashion world, we&#039;re seeing them as increasingly extravagant jewelry. For the folks who follow Gizmodo or Engadget, the mere display of time is part of a cryptic game. Why not watches that only display the time when you have an appointment? Why not watches that tell you where you are instead of when?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Now that watches no longer have to keep time, expect to see them used more and more as signifiers. In magazines and the fashion world, we&#8217;re seeing them as increasingly extravagant jewelry. For the folks who follow Gizmodo or Engadget, the mere display of time is part of a cryptic game. Why not watches that only display the time when you have an appointment? Why not watches that tell you where you are instead of when?</p>
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		<title>By: miller</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2009/06/05/passing-time/comment-page-1/#comment-78127</link>
		<dc:creator>miller</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Jun 2009 17:32:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One time, I asked my grandfather whether he preferred analogue watches or digital watches better.  I was surprised, he said he liked digital watches much better.  But immediately after he answered, I realized why.  He had spent most of his life as a chemist working on liquid crystal displays.  Of course he would appreciate digital watches!

Now, I have no idea how quartz watches keep time, but I&#039;m sure it must be nothing short of amazing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One time, I asked my grandfather whether he preferred analogue watches or digital watches better.  I was surprised, he said he liked digital watches much better.  But immediately after he answered, I realized why.  He had spent most of his life as a chemist working on liquid crystal displays.  Of course he would appreciate digital watches!</p>
<p>Now, I have no idea how quartz watches keep time, but I&#8217;m sure it must be nothing short of amazing.</p>
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		<title>By: DancingBear</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2009/06/05/passing-time/comment-page-1/#comment-78119</link>
		<dc:creator>DancingBear</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Jun 2009 15:45:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>But of course the point of the post is that these expensive watches are not sold on the basis of their mechanical marvels, functionality, or the elegance of their craftmanship, but rather on the basis of an arbitrary image of coolness and exclusivity that the companies work hard to give themselves (complete with tigers and camels). Do the watches themselves, taken without the marketing, possess that coolness?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>But of course the point of the post is that these expensive watches are not sold on the basis of their mechanical marvels, functionality, or the elegance of their craftmanship, but rather on the basis of an arbitrary image of coolness and exclusivity that the companies work hard to give themselves (complete with tigers and camels). Do the watches themselves, taken without the marketing, possess that coolness?</p>
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		<title>By: Counterfly</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2009/06/05/passing-time/comment-page-1/#comment-78108</link>
		<dc:creator>Counterfly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Jun 2009 15:02:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve never seen a post on this blog that failed to get it as much as this one.     For a lot of people who own and collect automatics, it&#039;s not about fashion or communicating class status (which are reasonable goals in themselves) but about the sheer joy of having a beautiful object.      The timekeeping is secondary. 

As a physicist, you really should appreciate the making of these astonishing objects.    Google tourbillon...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve never seen a post on this blog that failed to get it as much as this one.     For a lot of people who own and collect automatics, it&#8217;s not about fashion or communicating class status (which are reasonable goals in themselves) but about the sheer joy of having a beautiful object.      The timekeeping is secondary. </p>
<p>As a physicist, you really should appreciate the making of these astonishing objects.    Google tourbillon&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Tszap</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2009/06/05/passing-time/comment-page-1/#comment-78100</link>
		<dc:creator>Tszap</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Jun 2009 13:16:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;It is now 3:10:12 PM Mountain Standard Time on Friday, June 5.&lt;/i&gt;

...which is not very relevant unless you&#039;re in Arizona.  Everywhere else in the time zone uses Mountain Daylight Time.

(Sorry... people referring to &quot;Standard Time&quot; during DST is a peeve of mine!)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>It is now 3:10:12 PM Mountain Standard Time on Friday, June 5.</i></p>
<p>&#8230;which is not very relevant unless you&#8217;re in Arizona.  Everywhere else in the time zone uses Mountain Daylight Time.</p>
<p>(Sorry&#8230; people referring to &#8220;Standard Time&#8221; during DST is a peeve of mine!)</p>
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