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		<title>By: Mike</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2009/09/10/attack-of-the-boltzmann-brains/comment-page-1/#comment-95702</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Sep 2009 03:42:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sean, you say:

&quot;It’s not that they “perceive” a universe more chaotic than ours — it’s that they would dominate the total number of observers if the universe really were more chaotic than ours. (Which it isn’t!) Also, they would tend to dissolve back into the chaos from which they came...&quot;

If we set aside the empirical fact that BBs do not dominate over normal observers, then from the standpoint of our present understanding, whether BBs dominate or not can be posed simply as a question of measure -- the universe need not be any &quot;more chaotic&quot; than ours.  [For instance, if our universe is all there is, the dark energy is cosmological constant, and the correct measure respects FRW symmetry, then BBs dominate; but I wouldn&#039;t think one would call such a possibility &quot;more chaotic&quot; than those that fix the BB problem.]

There will be BBs who perceive the universe as it is, chaotic or not.  But, *typical* BBs will experience the minimal delusion necessary to qualify as a member of the reference class of observers in question -- presumably this permits &quot;perceptions&quot; (really delusions) much more chaotic than ours.  [That is, there are BBs who resemble Sean Carroll insofar as to have the same DNA and experiences, having evolved from more primitive life etc in a solar system like ours, only the solar system arose via quantum fluctuation and these Sean Carrolls looks into space and sees emptiness.  But, among a reference class of observers defined by the memory of some set of experiences of Sean Carroll, the dominant BBs will be those who have false memories that by chance coincide with those of &quot;normal&quot; Sean Carrolls&#039;, insofar as such correspondence is demanded.  Insofar as it is not specified (for instance, if one does not demand all Sean Carrolls always have a white whiteboard in their office), then the BBs will have more chaotic perceptions (like writing-boards that change color from time to time).  But again these &quot;perceptions&quot; are more chaotic because they are really delusions.]

Also, while thermal fluctuation BBs will &quot;dissolve back into the chaos,&quot; quantum fluctuation BBs (in dS, for instance) would not.  They persist as long as their life support permits, and indeed an entire solar system may fluctuate in this way and allow for evolution and &quot;real&quot; experiences etc.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sean, you say:</p>
<p>&#8220;It’s not that they “perceive” a universe more chaotic than ours — it’s that they would dominate the total number of observers if the universe really were more chaotic than ours. (Which it isn’t!) Also, they would tend to dissolve back into the chaos from which they came&#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>If we set aside the empirical fact that BBs do not dominate over normal observers, then from the standpoint of our present understanding, whether BBs dominate or not can be posed simply as a question of measure &#8212; the universe need not be any &#8220;more chaotic&#8221; than ours.  [For instance, if our universe is all there is, the dark energy is cosmological constant, and the correct measure respects FRW symmetry, then BBs dominate; but I wouldn't think one would call such a possibility "more chaotic" than those that fix the BB problem.]</p>
<p>There will be BBs who perceive the universe as it is, chaotic or not.  But, *typical* BBs will experience the minimal delusion necessary to qualify as a member of the reference class of observers in question &#8212; presumably this permits &#8220;perceptions&#8221; (really delusions) much more chaotic than ours.  [That is, there are BBs who resemble Sean Carroll insofar as to have the same DNA and experiences, having evolved from more primitive life etc in a solar system like ours, only the solar system arose via quantum fluctuation and these Sean Carrolls looks into space and sees emptiness.  But, among a reference class of observers defined by the memory of some set of experiences of Sean Carroll, the dominant BBs will be those who have false memories that by chance coincide with those of "normal" Sean Carrolls', insofar as such correspondence is demanded.  Insofar as it is not specified (for instance, if one does not demand all Sean Carrolls always have a white whiteboard in their office), then the BBs will have more chaotic perceptions (like writing-boards that change color from time to time).  But again these "perceptions" are more chaotic because they are really delusions.]</p>
<p>Also, while thermal fluctuation BBs will &#8220;dissolve back into the chaos,&#8221; quantum fluctuation BBs (in dS, for instance) would not.  They persist as long as their life support permits, and indeed an entire solar system may fluctuate in this way and allow for evolution and &#8220;real&#8221; experiences etc.</p>
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		<title>By: Eugene</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2009/09/10/attack-of-the-boltzmann-brains/comment-page-1/#comment-94706</link>
		<dc:creator>Eugene</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Sep 2009 19:08:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I like the dramatic pause between &quot;A universe chaotic enough....&quot; and &quot;for something to appear out of nothing.&quot;  Sean,  you should absolutely steal this line in your talks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I like the dramatic pause between &#8220;A universe chaotic enough&#8230;.&#8221; and &#8220;for something to appear out of nothing.&#8221;  Sean,  you should absolutely steal this line in your talks.</p>
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		<title>By: CW</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2009/09/10/attack-of-the-boltzmann-brains/comment-page-1/#comment-94696</link>
		<dc:creator>CW</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Sep 2009 18:27:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Quick Aside: #9 - The link &quot;Quotes of the Day &#124; Science News&quot; references Bad Astronomy, when it should be Cosmic Variance.

Telling people who have wacky theories about things that contradict science and reason that they must have Boltzmann Brains has been more rewarding (and less detrimental to my own safety) than telling them that they are full of crap.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Quick Aside: #9 &#8211; The link &#8220;Quotes of the Day | Science News&#8221; references Bad Astronomy, when it should be Cosmic Variance.</p>
<p>Telling people who have wacky theories about things that contradict science and reason that they must have Boltzmann Brains has been more rewarding (and less detrimental to my own safety) than telling them that they are full of crap.</p>
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		<title>By: Quotes of the day &#124; Science News</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2009/09/10/attack-of-the-boltzmann-brains/comment-page-1/#comment-94680</link>
		<dc:creator>Quotes of the day &#124; Science News</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Sep 2009 16:56:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] “The brains would be ‘freaky observers’, they’d perceive a universe much more chaotic and difficult to define than ours.” Writer Jim Kakalios has decided to make villains for his comic book out of nothing more than theoretical physics (Bad Astronomy). [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] “The brains would be ‘freaky observers’, they’d perceive a universe much more chaotic and difficult to define than ours.” Writer Jim Kakalios has decided to make villains for his comic book out of nothing more than theoretical physics (Bad Astronomy). [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Reginald Selkirk</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2009/09/10/attack-of-the-boltzmann-brains/comment-page-1/#comment-94657</link>
		<dc:creator>Reginald Selkirk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Sep 2009 14:37:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;They&#039;d perceive a universe much more chaotic and difficult to define than ours&quot;

They would perceive &lt;b&gt;nothing&lt;/b&gt; unless they have sensory organs.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;They&#8217;d perceive a universe much more chaotic and difficult to define than ours&#8221;</p>
<p>They would perceive <b>nothing</b> unless they have sensory organs.</p>
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		<title>By: Tales from the Tubes — 11/​09/​09 &#124; Young Australian Skeptics</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2009/09/10/attack-of-the-boltzmann-brains/comment-page-1/#comment-94619</link>
		<dc:creator>Tales from the Tubes — 11/​09/​09 &#124; Young Australian Skeptics</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Sep 2009 05:49:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Avast ye, the disembodied physics cometh! [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Avast ye, the disembodied physics cometh! [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Ellipsis</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2009/09/10/attack-of-the-boltzmann-brains/comment-page-1/#comment-94562</link>
		<dc:creator>Ellipsis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Sep 2009 20:34:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The guy in the last panel looks just as confused as some of my thermodynamics students.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The guy in the last panel looks just as confused as some of my thermodynamics students.</p>
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		<title>By: Domenic Denicola</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2009/09/10/attack-of-the-boltzmann-brains/comment-page-1/#comment-94560</link>
		<dc:creator>Domenic Denicola</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Sep 2009 20:06:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Haha, I remember reading this when it came out a few weeks ago. I think the best part was when they started zapping people with their &quot;brain blasts.&quot;

I&#039;m pretty sure Amadeus (the character pictured) is just showing off his knowledge in an attempt to make the girl think he knows what&#039;s going on, rather than actually thinking they&#039;re Boltzmann brains...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Haha, I remember reading this when it came out a few weeks ago. I think the best part was when they started zapping people with their &#8220;brain blasts.&#8221;</p>
<p>I&#8217;m pretty sure Amadeus (the character pictured) is just showing off his knowledge in an attempt to make the girl think he knows what&#8217;s going on, rather than actually thinking they&#8217;re Boltzmann brains&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Arfnotz</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2009/09/10/attack-of-the-boltzmann-brains/comment-page-1/#comment-94554</link>
		<dc:creator>Arfnotz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Sep 2009 19:05:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Boltzman Brain? I&#039;ve had one for a few years. Can&#039;t say its much handier than the regular one, despite the hype. Stll, the user interface is pretty cool.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Boltzman Brain? I&#8217;ve had one for a few years. Can&#8217;t say its much handier than the regular one, despite the hype. Stll, the user interface is pretty cool.</p>
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		<title>By: Eyes Squared</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2009/09/10/attack-of-the-boltzmann-brains/comment-page-1/#comment-94546</link>
		<dc:creator>Eyes Squared</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Sep 2009 18:27:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m  impressed that the comics have had to go this far into science to find somehting that is confusing enough to go over mose everyone&#039;s heads to make it seem like something was possible...   We&#039;ve come a long way from Superman being born under a red sun to Boltzmann Brains.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m  impressed that the comics have had to go this far into science to find somehting that is confusing enough to go over mose everyone&#8217;s heads to make it seem like something was possible&#8230;   We&#8217;ve come a long way from Superman being born under a red sun to Boltzmann Brains.</p>
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