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	<title>Comments on: Dark Atoms</title>
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		<title>By: Jonathan Vos Post</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2009/09/11/dark-atoms/comment-page-1/#comment-96167</link>
		<dc:creator>Jonathan Vos Post</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Sep 2009 20:01:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If this web page needed subscription or password to access, it would be part of the &quot;Dark Web&quot; -- which accounts for a majority of pages on the Web!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If this web page needed subscription or password to access, it would be part of the &#8220;Dark Web&#8221; &#8212; which accounts for a majority of pages on the Web!</p>
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		<title>By: Gene</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2009/09/11/dark-atoms/comment-page-1/#comment-96165</link>
		<dc:creator>Gene</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Sep 2009 19:34:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In the Atomic Dark Matter  Abstract, the first sentence is: We propose that dark matter is dominantly comprised of atomic bound states. The Authors should edit the &quot;comprised of&quot; to &#039;composed of&#039; since &#039;comprised of&#039; is incorrect English usage.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In the Atomic Dark Matter  Abstract, the first sentence is: We propose that dark matter is dominantly comprised of atomic bound states. The Authors should edit the &#8220;comprised of&#8221; to &#8216;composed of&#8217; since &#8216;comprised of&#8217; is incorrect English usage.</p>
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		<title>By: Sili</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2009/09/11/dark-atoms/comment-page-1/#comment-95810</link>
		<dc:creator>Sili</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Sep 2009 16:44:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Come to think of it, wouldn&#039;t the presumably much higher mass of protarks and electrarks make the corresponding &#039;orbit&#039; too small to be stable?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Come to think of it, wouldn&#8217;t the presumably much higher mass of protarks and electrarks make the corresponding &#8216;orbit&#8217; too small to be stable?</p>
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		<title>By: DM</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2009/09/11/dark-atoms/comment-page-1/#comment-95638</link>
		<dc:creator>DM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Sep 2009 23:29:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually, the idea of &quot;dark atoms&quot; is rather old. The idea was proposed  within the &quot;mirror world&quot; models a long time ago.  See, e.g. arXiv:0804.4518, and references therein.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually, the idea of &#8220;dark atoms&#8221; is rather old. The idea was proposed  within the &#8220;mirror world&#8221; models a long time ago.  See, e.g. arXiv:0804.4518, and references therein.</p>
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		<title>By: Sili</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2009/09/11/dark-atoms/comment-page-1/#comment-95613</link>
		<dc:creator>Sili</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Sep 2009 21:33:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Then please get to doing some Dark Michelson-Morley measurements, OMF.

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I rather &lt;em&gt;like&lt;/em&gt; quarkark - I think you&#039;re on to something.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Then please get to doing some Dark Michelson-Morley measurements, OMF.</p>
<p>&#8212;&#8211;</p>
<p>I rather <em>like</em> quarkark &#8211; I think you&#8217;re on to something.</p>
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		<title>By: ObsessiveMathsFreak</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2009/09/11/dark-atoms/comment-page-1/#comment-95236</link>
		<dc:creator>ObsessiveMathsFreak</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Sep 2009 17:32:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The adjective &quot;dark&quot; must be the worst thing to happen to physics since the luminiferous aether.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The adjective &#8220;dark&#8221; must be the worst thing to happen to physics since the luminiferous aether.</p>
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		<title>By: Peter Fred</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2009/09/11/dark-atoms/comment-page-1/#comment-94977</link>
		<dc:creator>Peter Fred</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Sep 2009 15:39:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is almost impossible for scientist to think &quot;out of the box&quot; and yet they do not want to listen to amateurs who can think out of the box.  Due to the dark sector problem astrophysics is in a &quot;Kuhnian crisis.&quot;  In past Kuhnian crises it was the amateur&#039;s Darwin and Copenicus who came up with the ideas that saved the day for those who believed in every word written in the textbook. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is almost impossible for scientist to think &#8220;out of the box&#8221; and yet they do not want to listen to amateurs who can think out of the box.  Due to the dark sector problem astrophysics is in a &#8220;Kuhnian crisis.&#8221;  In past Kuhnian crises it was the amateur&#8217;s Darwin and Copenicus who came up with the ideas that saved the day for those who believed in every word written in the textbook.</p>
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		<title>By: Dennis</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2009/09/11/dark-atoms/comment-page-1/#comment-94886</link>
		<dc:creator>Dennis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Sep 2009 00:07:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This all seems to be dark logic, driven by the dark scientific method.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This all seems to be dark logic, driven by the dark scientific method.</p>
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		<title>By: g</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2009/09/11/dark-atoms/comment-page-1/#comment-94854</link>
		<dc:creator>g</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Sep 2009 19:34:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;d suggest that any dark analogues to non-dark particles be named with an -ark suffix - protark, electrark, neutrinark - but quarkark defeats that idea.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;d suggest that any dark analogues to non-dark particles be named with an -ark suffix &#8211; protark, electrark, neutrinark &#8211; but quarkark defeats that idea.</p>
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		<title>By: Antoni Jaume</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2009/09/11/dark-atoms/comment-page-1/#comment-94842</link>
		<dc:creator>Antoni Jaume</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Sep 2009 18:55:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Under that collapse, if nothing else, the dark matter would have produced black holes, and those black holes should become dark photon bright whenever they consume any dark matter, ionizing the surrounding dark matter.&quot;

Since dark matter interacts gravitationally with standard matter, dark matter black holes capture normal matter, so they should be visible.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Under that collapse, if nothing else, the dark matter would have produced black holes, and those black holes should become dark photon bright whenever they consume any dark matter, ionizing the surrounding dark matter.&#8221;</p>
<p>Since dark matter interacts gravitationally with standard matter, dark matter black holes capture normal matter, so they should be visible.</p>
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		<title>By: This Week in Science &#124; RQDC</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2009/09/11/dark-atoms/comment-page-1/#comment-94823</link>
		<dc:creator>This Week in Science &#124; RQDC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Sep 2009 14:06:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Carroll introduces a paper on the fascinating idea that dark matter may come in a complex hierarchy of structures, [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Carroll introduces a paper on the fascinating idea that dark matter may come in a complex hierarchy of structures, [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Arrow</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2009/09/11/dark-atoms/comment-page-1/#comment-94820</link>
		<dc:creator>Arrow</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Sep 2009 12:49:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;But if you’re inventing new particles and forces, you have various parameters to play with, including the masses and the strengths of the interaction.&quot;

If you are inventing particles and forces you can make them fit any data you want.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;But if you’re inventing new particles and forces, you have various parameters to play with, including the masses and the strengths of the interaction.&#8221;</p>
<p>If you are inventing particles and forces you can make them fit any data you want.</p>
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		<title>By: Tales from the Tubes — 12/​09/​09 &#124; Young Australian Skeptics</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2009/09/11/dark-atoms/comment-page-1/#comment-94807</link>
		<dc:creator>Tales from the Tubes — 12/​09/​09 &#124; Young Australian Skeptics</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Sep 2009 08:21:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Dark…atoms? [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Dark…atoms? [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Charles Zigmund</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2009/09/11/dark-atoms/comment-page-1/#comment-94794</link>
		<dc:creator>Charles Zigmund</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Sep 2009 06:38:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What about dark antimatter?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What about dark antimatter?</p>
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		<title>By: Sili</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2009/09/11/dark-atoms/comment-page-1/#comment-94721</link>
		<dc:creator>Sili</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Sep 2009 20:00:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt; Stay tuned; that dark sector may turn out to be a pretty exciting place after all.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
I see what you did there.

What sorta observations will help you decide one way or another? Can it be done with any of the gizmos up there now (I really want for something to find a good use of Kepler)? And if not what thingummajig do you most want to see built/launched? (The Astronomy Cast kindly informed that the Ares V rocket is gonna be an unparallelled workhouse (assuming they actually build the damn thing). Apparently it could launch the Gemini Observatory, as is, to make our biggest (and most &lt;em&gt;useless&lt;/em&gt;) spacebased observatory yet.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p> Stay tuned; that dark sector may turn out to be a pretty exciting place after all.</p></blockquote>
<p>I see what you did there.</p>
<p>What sorta observations will help you decide one way or another? Can it be done with any of the gizmos up there now (I really want for something to find a good use of Kepler)? And if not what thingummajig do you most want to see built/launched? (The Astronomy Cast kindly informed that the Ares V rocket is gonna be an unparallelled workhouse (assuming they actually build the damn thing). Apparently it could launch the Gemini Observatory, as is, to make our biggest (and most <em>useless</em>) spacebased observatory yet.)</p>
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		<title>By: Joseph Smidt</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2009/09/11/dark-atoms/comment-page-1/#comment-94714</link>
		<dc:creator>Joseph Smidt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Sep 2009 19:23:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@John (#9)

Dark Matter does clump up into a cob-web structure. (You may have seen pictures)  But it does not clump the same way ordinary matter does.  This was my point, adding charges and atoms, and etc seems like dark matter is becoming like another copy or ordinary matter which is ruled out.

But, Sean says these details have been worked out in these papers so I need to read them before I say much more.  

I would love to think dark matter has all these properties, it just seems like the data fits best if you assume it doesn&#039;t. (So it seems to me. But I admit I need to read the papers.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@John (#9)</p>
<p>Dark Matter does clump up into a cob-web structure. (You may have seen pictures)  But it does not clump the same way ordinary matter does.  This was my point, adding charges and atoms, and etc seems like dark matter is becoming like another copy or ordinary matter which is ruled out.</p>
<p>But, Sean says these details have been worked out in these papers so I need to read them before I say much more.  </p>
<p>I would love to think dark matter has all these properties, it just seems like the data fits best if you assume it doesn&#8217;t. (So it seems to me. But I admit I need to read the papers.)</p>
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		<title>By: John R Ramsden</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2009/09/11/dark-atoms/comment-page-1/#comment-94709</link>
		<dc:creator>John R Ramsden</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Sep 2009 19:11:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@4 &quot;If there is an entire dark standard model then dark matter should clump up into “dark stars” and “dark galaxies” right? Doesn’t this violate observations?

I thought the idea was that dark matter *does* clump into dark galaxies, overlapping with visible matter galaxies, to account for the otherwise anomalous rotation rates of stars in the latter.

Also, given their elusive nature and apparent reluctance to &quot;clump up&quot;, or interact at all with normal matter, is it easy to exclude tachyons of some kind as candidates for dark matter? After all, strictly speaking, relativity only prohibits travel *at* the speed of light doesn&#039;t it?

Mind you, I suppose that might be ruled out by the Bullet galaxy, where a collision has apparently separated the visible matter from the dark matter - If the latter comprised tachyons then presumably, attracted by gravity to sluggish visible matter, it would have no trouble keeping up, like a cloud of flies buzzing round an ambling cow.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@4 &#8220;If there is an entire dark standard model then dark matter should clump up into “dark stars” and “dark galaxies” right? Doesn’t this violate observations?</p>
<p>I thought the idea was that dark matter *does* clump into dark galaxies, overlapping with visible matter galaxies, to account for the otherwise anomalous rotation rates of stars in the latter.</p>
<p>Also, given their elusive nature and apparent reluctance to &#8220;clump up&#8221;, or interact at all with normal matter, is it easy to exclude tachyons of some kind as candidates for dark matter? After all, strictly speaking, relativity only prohibits travel *at* the speed of light doesn&#8217;t it?</p>
<p>Mind you, I suppose that might be ruled out by the Bullet galaxy, where a collision has apparently separated the visible matter from the dark matter &#8211; If the latter comprised tachyons then presumably, attracted by gravity to sluggish visible matter, it would have no trouble keeping up, like a cloud of flies buzzing round an ambling cow.</p>
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		<title>By: Sean</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2009/09/11/dark-atoms/comment-page-1/#comment-94707</link>
		<dc:creator>Sean</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Sep 2009 19:09:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Joseph and BlackGriffen--  Yes, there are obvious questions to be raised when you suggest that the dark matter couples to a long-range field.  That&#039;s why you do the research and write papers about it!  These are exactly what the papers investigate.

Obviously we know enough about dark-matter dynamics to say that it&#039;s not simply a copy of ordinary matter.  But if you&#039;re inventing new particles and forces, you have various parameters to play with, including the masses and the strengths of the interaction.  There is a limit in which the particles become very heavy and/or the forces become very weak, and in that limit you just recover ordinary non-interacting dark matter.  The question is, where exactly is the dividing line between allowed and ruled out?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Joseph and BlackGriffen&#8211;  Yes, there are obvious questions to be raised when you suggest that the dark matter couples to a long-range field.  That&#8217;s why you do the research and write papers about it!  These are exactly what the papers investigate.</p>
<p>Obviously we know enough about dark-matter dynamics to say that it&#8217;s not simply a copy of ordinary matter.  But if you&#8217;re inventing new particles and forces, you have various parameters to play with, including the masses and the strengths of the interaction.  There is a limit in which the particles become very heavy and/or the forces become very weak, and in that limit you just recover ordinary non-interacting dark matter.  The question is, where exactly is the dividing line between allowed and ruled out?</p>
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		<title>By: BlackGriffen</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2009/09/11/dark-atoms/comment-page-1/#comment-94705</link>
		<dc:creator>BlackGriffen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Sep 2009 19:05:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The problem with that proposal lies in the original evidence for dark matter - galactic dynamics. The evidence from studying lensing around galaxies and the rotation curves suggests that the dark matter is in a spherical halo around the galaxies. Furthermore, the bullet cluster shows that dark matter interacts with other dark matter far more weakly than the interstellar medium. So, unless you can explain a temperature imbalance between light and dark sectors, dark matter capable of producing dark photons should collapse into compact objects as light matter must have before reionization. Under that collapse, if nothing else, the dark matter would have produced black holes, and those black holes should become dark photon bright whenever they consume any dark matter, ionizing the surrounding dark matter. That would present a problem for the bullet cluster because it means that a fair amount of the dark matter should have interacted in a fashion similar to the ISM... Depending, I guess, on how rarefied and ionized the intergalactic dark matter is.

So there are scenarios to test your model, and they aren&#039;t even all that complicated. They just aren&#039;t cosmological ones.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The problem with that proposal lies in the original evidence for dark matter &#8211; galactic dynamics. The evidence from studying lensing around galaxies and the rotation curves suggests that the dark matter is in a spherical halo around the galaxies. Furthermore, the bullet cluster shows that dark matter interacts with other dark matter far more weakly than the interstellar medium. So, unless you can explain a temperature imbalance between light and dark sectors, dark matter capable of producing dark photons should collapse into compact objects as light matter must have before reionization. Under that collapse, if nothing else, the dark matter would have produced black holes, and those black holes should become dark photon bright whenever they consume any dark matter, ionizing the surrounding dark matter. That would present a problem for the bullet cluster because it means that a fair amount of the dark matter should have interacted in a fashion similar to the ISM&#8230; Depending, I guess, on how rarefied and ionized the intergalactic dark matter is.</p>
<p>So there are scenarios to test your model, and they aren&#8217;t even all that complicated. They just aren&#8217;t cosmological ones.</p>
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		<title>By: Schenk</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2009/09/11/dark-atoms/comment-page-1/#comment-94703</link>
		<dc:creator>Schenk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Sep 2009 19:01:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The ramifications of this subject are far more serious than any one man could imagine in the present !</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The ramifications of this subject are far more serious than any one man could imagine in the present !</p>
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