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	<title>Comments on: Well, That Was Fast!</title>
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	<description>Random samplings from a universe of ideas.</description>
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		<title>By: Bill</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2009/09/18/well-that-was-fast/comment-page-1/#comment-97444</link>
		<dc:creator>Bill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Sep 2009 17:28:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The HST is 26,000 lbs and cost several $billion to build.  The short answer to eric gisse is, &quot;no bucks, no Buck Rogers&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The HST is 26,000 lbs and cost several $billion to build.  The short answer to eric gisse is, &#8220;no bucks, no Buck Rogers&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Andy Lawrence</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2009/09/18/well-that-was-fast/comment-page-1/#comment-96609</link>
		<dc:creator>Andy Lawrence</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Sep 2009 20:11:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Was that really Peter C calling someone else a flirt ?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Was that really Peter C calling someone else a flirt ?</p>
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		<title>By: eric gisse</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2009/09/18/well-that-was-fast/comment-page-1/#comment-96600</link>
		<dc:creator>eric gisse</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Sep 2009 18:16:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Regarding Hubble and the WFC series of cameras...

Why can&#039;t we build a handful of Hubbles and incrementally upgrade the hardware and launch them? I&#039;d love to see how much science we could get done if there was a half dozen Hubble-class telescopes in orbit, of increasing utility. 

If one goes tits up, it isn&#039;t the end of the world. No need to spend billions of dollars and have heroics to save one instrument with six others up there. I refuse to believe nobody has thought of this.

Is the Hubble really so big that we couldn&#039;t toss a new one into a Delta 5 or, god forbid, an Arianne or whatever Russia&#039;s workhorse lifter is?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Regarding Hubble and the WFC series of cameras&#8230;</p>
<p>Why can&#8217;t we build a handful of Hubbles and incrementally upgrade the hardware and launch them? I&#8217;d love to see how much science we could get done if there was a half dozen Hubble-class telescopes in orbit, of increasing utility. </p>
<p>If one goes tits up, it isn&#8217;t the end of the world. No need to spend billions of dollars and have heroics to save one instrument with six others up there. I refuse to believe nobody has thought of this.</p>
<p>Is the Hubble really so big that we couldn&#8217;t toss a new one into a Delta 5 or, god forbid, an Arianne or whatever Russia&#8217;s workhorse lifter is?</p>
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		<title>By: Julianne</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2009/09/18/well-that-was-fast/comment-page-1/#comment-96564</link>
		<dc:creator>Julianne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Sep 2009 15:57:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Factual!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Factual!</p>
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		<title>By: Peter Coles</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2009/09/18/well-that-was-fast/comment-page-1/#comment-96563</link>
		<dc:creator>Peter Coles</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Sep 2009 15:53:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Flirt.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Flirt.</p>
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		<title>By: Julianne</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2009/09/18/well-that-was-fast/comment-page-1/#comment-96357</link>
		<dc:creator>Julianne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Sep 2009 22:30:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>But sometimes you really want to eat that particular fish.  And besides, you need a snack after all that hunting.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>But sometimes you really want to eat that particular fish.  And besides, you need a snack after all that hunting.</p>
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		<title>By: Dennis</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2009/09/18/well-that-was-fast/comment-page-1/#comment-96356</link>
		<dc:creator>Dennis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Sep 2009 22:18:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Moreover, the analogy is imperfect in that in Nature, either the osprey or the eagle gets the fish, and the other one goes hungry.&quot;

The analogy is better than that. The other does not necessarily go hungry and die. He could go hungry and get better at his technique (or uses a different one).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Moreover, the analogy is imperfect in that in Nature, either the osprey or the eagle gets the fish, and the other one goes hungry.&#8221;</p>
<p>The analogy is better than that. The other does not necessarily go hungry and die. He could go hungry and get better at his technique (or uses a different one).</p>
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		<title>By: Lab Lemming</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2009/09/18/well-that-was-fast/comment-page-1/#comment-96340</link>
		<dc:creator>Lab Lemming</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Sep 2009 21:28:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>By capitalizing Nature, are you referring to the journal?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>By capitalizing Nature, are you referring to the journal?</p>
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		<title>By: Julianne</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2009/09/18/well-that-was-fast/comment-page-1/#comment-96332</link>
		<dc:creator>Julianne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Sep 2009 20:55:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The footnote is actually not meant to be particularly judgmental.  Both are effective strategies for getting fish.  

Moreover, the analogy is imperfect in that in Nature, either the osprey or the eagle gets the fish, and the other one goes hungry.  In science, both groups get to make a tasty meal from the same data.  Both groups will get citations.  And by competing, both will wind up shaking down possible shortcomings in the other&#039;s work.  The cost is perhaps some lack of thoroughness when you&#039;re rushing to eat your fish before someone else does, and a higher stress level when you&#039;re all amped up about whether Group B is going to get their paper onto arXiv a whole two days before yours.

Astronomy is much more open about such things than Physics, since there has been a strong recent history of data being made public for all to work on.  The community has largely decided that the benefits above outweigh the costs. Thus, there is nothing unexpected or improper about the eagle-group.  

It&#039;s still a funny Nature story, though!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The footnote is actually not meant to be particularly judgmental.  Both are effective strategies for getting fish.  </p>
<p>Moreover, the analogy is imperfect in that in Nature, either the osprey or the eagle gets the fish, and the other one goes hungry.  In science, both groups get to make a tasty meal from the same data.  Both groups will get citations.  And by competing, both will wind up shaking down possible shortcomings in the other&#8217;s work.  The cost is perhaps some lack of thoroughness when you&#8217;re rushing to eat your fish before someone else does, and a higher stress level when you&#8217;re all amped up about whether Group B is going to get their paper onto arXiv a whole two days before yours.</p>
<p>Astronomy is much more open about such things than Physics, since there has been a strong recent history of data being made public for all to work on.  The community has largely decided that the benefits above outweigh the costs. Thus, there is nothing unexpected or improper about the eagle-group.  </p>
<p>It&#8217;s still a funny Nature story, though!</p>
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		<title>By: Sili</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2009/09/18/well-that-was-fast/comment-page-1/#comment-96331</link>
		<dc:creator>Sili</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Sep 2009 20:37:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Re footnote: Ouch! Why not link to the PAMELA brouhahah, too?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re footnote: Ouch! Why not link to the PAMELA brouhahah, too?</p>
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