Comments on: Endgame for the Tevatron http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2009/09/21/endgame-for-the-tevatron/ Sat, 20 Apr 2013 10:44:00 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.4.2 By: shantanu http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2009/09/21/endgame-for-the-tevatron/#comment-55903 shantanu Tue, 22 Sep 2009 23:46:08 +0000 http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/?p=2657#comment-55903 funky49: I only wanted to get a sense of how optimistic people were that Tevatron would find evidence for physics beyond SM. BTW this maybe a naive question. Can Tevatron tell us anything about or against anthropic principle or multiverse? I have seen papers in literature arguing that all standard model parameters are anthropically selected ? thanks funky49: I only wanted to get a sense of how optimistic people were that Tevatron
would find evidence for physics beyond SM.
BTW this maybe a naive question. Can Tevatron tell us anything about or against anthropic principle or multiverse? I have seen papers in literature arguing that all standard model parameters are anthropically selected ?
thanks

]]> By: John http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2009/09/21/endgame-for-the-tevatron/#comment-55902 John Tue, 22 Sep 2009 21:17:58 +0000 http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/?p=2657#comment-55902 Xenophage: If there is no *Standard Model* Higgs boson, we'll rule it out experimentally, possibly even at the Tevatron if there are further improvements to the analyses. But if the Tevatron does not rule it out, the LHC will after getting a few inverse femtobarns. This is because a Standard Model Higgs boson cannot have a mass much larger than about 200 GeV at the outside, and we already know the SM Higgs mass must be greater than about 114 GeV. So this is a falsifiable hypothesis, experimentally. If it is ruled out that leaves open the possibility that the Higgs boson or whatever plays the role of the Higgs boson is more complicated, and there is no guarantee that the LHC or the Tevatron can discover it... In a sense you are right that the Higgs is a jury rigged solution, but the Standard Model has been eerily successful in explaining a huge range of observations. Neverthelss, nature may have something completely different in store for us. Xenophage: If there is no *Standard Model* Higgs boson, we’ll rule it out experimentally, possibly even at the Tevatron if there are further improvements to the analyses. But if the Tevatron does not rule it out, the LHC will after getting a few inverse femtobarns. This is because a Standard Model Higgs boson cannot have a mass much larger than about 200 GeV at the outside, and we already know the SM Higgs mass must be greater than about 114 GeV. So this is a falsifiable hypothesis, experimentally.

If it is ruled out that leaves open the possibility that the Higgs boson or whatever plays the role of the Higgs boson is more complicated, and there is no guarantee that the LHC or the Tevatron can discover it…

In a sense you are right that the Higgs is a jury rigged solution, but the Standard Model has been eerily successful in explaining a huge range of observations. Neverthelss, nature may have something completely different in store for us.

]]> By: Xenophage http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2009/09/21/endgame-for-the-tevatron/#comment-55901 Xenophage Tue, 22 Sep 2009 18:08:47 +0000 http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/?p=2657#comment-55901 Under what conditions and how long must one search for the Higgs if there is no Higgs? The Standard Model arrives massless. The Higgs is a jury rig to reconcile elegant theory with empirical observation. As with all interpolations, psychology to economics, theorists boast promiscuity while empiricists pay child support. Under what conditions and how long must one search for the Higgs if there is no Higgs? The Standard Model arrives massless. The Higgs is a jury rig to reconcile elegant theory with empirical observation. As with all interpolations, psychology to economics, theorists boast promiscuity while empiricists pay child support.

]]> By: pilate http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2009/09/21/endgame-for-the-tevatron/#comment-55900 pilate Tue, 22 Sep 2009 12:52:54 +0000 http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/?p=2657#comment-55900 Quid est veritas stephen? Eam audis, eam cognoscis quando dicitur? Ita audio. Num et tu? Quomodo? Potes mihi dicere stephen? Si non vis veritatem audire, nemo tibi dicere potest. Veritas. Vis meam veritatem cognoscere? Einstein me monuit, Stephen. Bis monuit, vice proxima ipse iuravit sanguis erit meus. Ecce est mea veritas: morituri te salutant... (on the dumb holes that didnt evaporate any sound at Haifa, hence proving that Hawking radiation did not exist) Quid est veritas stephen? Eam audis, eam cognoscis quando dicitur?
Ita audio. Num et tu?
Quomodo? Potes mihi dicere stephen?
Si non vis veritatem audire, nemo tibi dicere potest.
Veritas. Vis meam veritatem cognoscere? Einstein me monuit, Stephen. Bis monuit, vice proxima ipse iuravit sanguis erit meus. Ecce est mea veritas: morituri te salutant…
(on the dumb holes that didnt evaporate any sound at Haifa, hence proving that Hawking radiation did not exist)

]]> By: funky49 http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2009/09/21/endgame-for-the-tevatron/#comment-55899 funky49 Tue, 22 Sep 2009 11:52:49 +0000 http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/?p=2657#comment-55899 @Shantanu I'm sure there are bookies who will take bets on this. What odds would you give Tevatron versus the LHC in the next 3 years? Maybe we should pick a charity and collect bets. If you 'win' the losers money is donated to the charity? funky49 Fresh Prince of Batavia @Shantanu

I’m sure there are bookies who will take bets on this. What odds would you give Tevatron versus the LHC in the next 3 years? Maybe we should pick a charity and collect bets. If you ‘win’ the losers money is donated to the charity?

funky49
Fresh Prince of Batavia

]]> By: Shantanu http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2009/09/21/endgame-for-the-tevatron/#comment-55898 Shantanu Tue, 22 Sep 2009 02:22:51 +0000 http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/?p=2657#comment-55898 John, Has Tevatron ruled out any Beyond standard model theories so far? Does any one know of any Tevatron bets? John,
Has Tevatron ruled out any Beyond standard model theories so far? Does any one know of any Tevatron
bets?

]]> By: Brian137 http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2009/09/21/endgame-for-the-tevatron/#comment-55897 Brian137 Mon, 21 Sep 2009 20:22:08 +0000 http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/?p=2657#comment-55897 Bye bye, Big T. It's been great. Bye bye, Big T. It’s been great.

]]> By: Sili http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2009/09/21/endgame-for-the-tevatron/#comment-55896 Sili Mon, 21 Sep 2009 20:12:54 +0000 http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/?p=2657#comment-55896 Of course, once something if discovered at the LHC, someone'll go back and find it in the Tevatron data. Let's just hope that it's only at the 2σ level. I'm excited, though, to be living in this age - even if I don't know, much less understand, everything that's been discovered in the past fity years. Of course, once something if discovered at the LHC, someone’ll go back and find it in the Tevatron data. Let’s just hope that it’s only at the 2σ level.

I’m excited, though, to be living in this age – even if I don’t know, much less understand, everything that’s been discovered in the past fity years.

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